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Postby TotoStu » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:43 am

I don't know why - but I have a hunch the new Toto album is going to go down a more progressive road - I'm thinking a kind of Pink Floyd, psychedelic kinda deal. There will be one or two songs on there that I think will be like, 10 minutes long and stuff with epic, soaring guitar solos.

I kind of dig that idea. I don't know if Toto really explored that kind of thing before - I'd really like that. That kind of approach would really suit Joseph Williams' voice - and really give Mr Lukather the excuse to unleash his inner guitar beast more so than he ever has before...

I really get the feeling it's going to be something beautiful. Totally recognizable as Toto but at the same time something new.

Man I'd dig that. :D

(on an unrelated note - I'd like to see the Foo Fighters do that aswell. Love the Foos...)
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Postby lordreo » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:03 am

"Back in the studio this week with Toto. 5 tracks in so far. It's a HUGE sounding record. I love the BIG production. Why do something small?"

"Back in the studio this week working on new Toto record. It's really starting to take shape and sound HUGE!"

"Great week in the studio w/Toto. We have the first 2 tracks in shape. Big guitars and keys and ... I think you guys will dig the direction"

"It has been an insane week. New Toto music is real strong and so many other really fun/amazing things ahead soon. I am so very thankful."


These are some posts from Steve's Facebook page. I don't really know what it means, but I'm excited! "Big guitars and keys" sounds awesome to me :)

I hope it will be a mix between The Seventh One and FiB, two of my favourite albums ever.
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Postby TotoStu » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:26 pm

I'm sort of wondering where the logical place to go next from Falling In Between is. I think since this is the first album in 8 years - they won't want to do anything that sounds like something they did before. I guess with the new lineup and everything - the dynamic and general vibe is different and they'll have different goals to what they had before.

So the question is, what "HAVEN'T" they done before?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:18 am

I expect the usual Lukather ballad co-penned by Randy Goodrum. As for what Paich/Joe have up their sleeves...who knows? I would expect big pop hooks, with Joe bringing a breezy West Coast vibe. This album came together seemingly fast. Up until recently, Paich and Luke were adamant that TOTO's recording days were behind them. Then - boom - they are back in the studio. Were they writing all this time? Either way, I expect greatness.
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Postby TotoStu » Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:02 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Either way, I expect greatness.


Same here. I saw some stuff from the upcoming Live In Poland DVD earlier. Any doubts I had are blown away. They fucking KILLED it. On the Falling In Between DVD Lukather didn't look really happy to be there - but on Live In Poland he looks like he's having the time of his life! If they bring that energy to the new album - and I have a feeling they will - 2015 will be a very exciting time to be a Toto fan!

I'll always love Bobby Kimball and I'll always love the Bobby Kimball days. That was a difficult hurdle to get over, but seeing what they are doing with Williams - man I am excited to see how this turns out.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:15 pm

ChickenStu wrote:I'll always love Bobby Kimball and I'll always love the Bobby Kimball days. That was a difficult hurdle to get over,...


Uhh...so what exactly did you do from 1982 - 1997? :shock:
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Postby TotoStu » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:49 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:I'll always love Bobby Kimball and I'll always love the Bobby Kimball days. That was a difficult hurdle to get over,...


Uhh...so what exactly did you do from 1982 - 1997? :shock:


I wasn't into Toto then! I've only been into them fully in the last two years. Gives me an idea for a thread actually...
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Postby Red » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:09 am

I hope they go 80s retro. No more prog riffing or 45 minute "epics" please :) I became a fan in 1988 and saw them for the first time on the TSO tour. Let's get back to that time on the new record.
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Postby TotoStu » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:26 am

Red wrote:I hope they go 80s retro. No more prog riffing or 45 minute "epics" please :) I became a fan in 1988 and saw them for the first time on the TSO tour. Let's get back to that time on the new record.


I dunno man. I don't think they'd want to do that. I can't see there being much of an audience for that kind of thing.
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Postby lordreo » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:32 am

ChickenStu wrote:I dunno man. I don't think they'd want to do that. I can't see there being much of an audience for that kind of thing.

Though that might be true, if this is something they want to do, they seem like the kind of people that would do it anyway. I always felt like Toto would never do something just because of the money.
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Postby TotoStu » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:46 pm

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ChickenStu wrote:I dunno man. I don't think they'd want to do that. I can't see there being much of an audience for that kind of thing.

Though that might be true, if this is something they want to do, they seem like the kind of people that would do it anyway. I always felt like Toto would never do something just because of the money.


Oh you're completely right. The thing is a lot of people were taken aback by Falling In Between because of how heavy it was. When I listen to it I get the feeling "this is how they always wanted to be in the first place". It's a very pivotal moment in their sound. Everything was building to that moment. I strongly get the feeling they'll build on that. The next logical place to go from their would be a more progressive direction. A kind of Pink Floyd thing. That's what I've got my bets on.

As for trying to recreate an 80's sound... can't see it. Let's face it could you really see them wanting to do that kind of thing at their age? Also, that kind of rewinding back in time thing... it just ain't Toto. It ain't their bag to do that.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:46 am

ChickenStu wrote:Oh you're completely right. The thing is a lot of people were taken aback by Falling In Between because of how heavy it was. When I listen to it I get the feeling "this is how they always wanted to be in the first place". It's a very pivotal moment in their sound. Everything was building to that moment. I strongly get the feeling they'll build on that. The next logical place to go from their would be a more progressive direction. A kind of Pink Floyd thing. That's what I've got my bets on.


I dunno about that. The lead track, FIB, was proggy, and a slight deviation from their sound w/ middle eastern influences. Other tunes (Bottom of Your Soul, King of the World, Let It Go) were pure TOTO - very melodic with a modern edge.
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Postby Sundet » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:55 pm

I'd certainly like to see them explore more of a progressive rock direction, perhaps something like Porcupine Tree has done (all the more so as it seems PT won't record anymore). However, I am pretty sure that the main direction will be a rock/pop edged type thing. Falling in Between ticked most boxes for me. Whilst obviously hoping they won't re-record that album, the diversity and direction(s) it offered made it one of their best albums in my opinion, right up there with Hydra (which it took me about 20 years to get into), Tambu and The Seventh One (which, even if dated, was a fantastic album).
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Postby TotoStu » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:56 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I dunno about that. The lead track, FIB, was proggy, and a slight deviation from their sound w/ middle eastern influences. Other tunes (Bottom of Your Soul, King of the World, Let It Go) were pure TOTO - very melodic with a modern edge.


It's interesting because if you look at the albums, you'll see that the style changes with each singer. Firstly, there's the first Bobby Kimball era. Toto, Hydra, Turn Back & Toto IV were your typical Melodic Rock/West Coast/AOR albums (with a hint of progressive on the second).

Then we come to Fergie Fredricksen on Isolation which I think was the first subtle attempt at going heavier. Still, there was that West Coast sound there.

Then we take a look at Fahrenheit and The Seventh One, which as we all know are the two Joseph Williams albums. Now, no disrespect to any Toto members who may read this - but apart from the odd tune here and there those albums just really don't do anything for me - cause I think they are very much a product of their time. The sound goes far more into an 80's pop direction. I know those albums have a lot of fans but to me, that just is not Toto. That is not the sound.

We'll skip the Byron era. If you can really call it an era.

Then Lukather took over for Kingdom Of Desire and Tambu. I quite like those two. On those two they went in a kind of a blues rock direction reminiscent of Clapton/Moore.

Then we come to the SECOND Bobby Kimball era. However, the interesting thing here is the music didn't go back to the sound of the original Kimball era. I think it's here they really went into hard rock. Mindfields was a very transitional album and I think when you listen to it you can hear (I think) that Kimball and the band are trying to get used to working together again and a new sound is beginning to emerge. Through The Looking Glass (the covers album) is where they start to get heavier. Then of course we get to Falling In Between where they completely unleash the beast. I'd call it their most hard rock album.

Now we are heading into a second Joseph Williams era. In the second Kimball era they didn't try and recreate what they did in the first Kimball era - and I'm pretty sure the same will be true of this new tenure with Williams. The question is, what haven't they done that they CAN do with Williams?

I think in a lot of ways Joseph Williams COULD have the same kind of singing voice as David Gilmour. He COULD sing that kind of tune. Steve Lukather has said that the new album has "lots of big guitars" and has said fans should "dig the direction" they are going in. Straight away that says to me they are not going for the same kind of vibe as the previous albums they did with Williams. When someone says something like "big guitars" I IMMEDIATELY think of bands like Pink Floyd - who are not ashamed or afraid of totally going nuts on the strings and allowing it to be the heartbeat of the tune.

That just makes the most sense to me. It sounds like completely the logical direction for Toto to go in now. Something BIG. Almost OPERATIC. EPIC in scope and sound. Something beguiling, beautiful and defiantly uncompromising. Surprisingly different yet still recognizable to anyone who knows Toto like we do. I bet it's what they do... I HOPE it's what they do - and I think we are going to absolutely LOVE IT!!!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:54 pm

Isolation to me, is almost a response to Journey/Frontiers. Very synth heavy, and a little darker. I love the album. And say what you will about Byron, I love his songs too! Love is the Power is the shit! Seriously. Great tune. Great playing.
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Postby TotoStu » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:08 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Isolation to me, is almost a response to Journey/Frontiers. Very synth heavy, and a little darker. I love the album. And say what you will about Byron, I love his songs too! Love is the Power is the shit! Seriously. Great tune. Great playing.


Yeah, I'd say Isolation is probably the darkest of the albums maybe. As for that Byron tune you mention I have to say I disagree. Really not my cup of tea. The other three songs I can't really remember.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:10 am

ChickenStu wrote:....you mention I have to say I disagree. Really not my cup of tea. The other three songs I can't really remember.


Byron's stage presence and thin voice may deserve ridicule, but the songs are great. Listen to Jeff's beat.

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Postby TotoStu » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:30 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:....you mention I have to say I disagree. Really not my cup of tea. The other three songs I can't really remember.


Byron's stage presence and thin voice may deserve ridicule, but the songs are great. Listen to Jeff's beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIfUU9qqOGo


Bro, no disrespect but I ain't gonna look/listen to that. Nothing against the rest of the guys in the band but I just don't like the way Byron sounded and I don't want that song to get stuck in my head.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:58 am

ChickenStu wrote:Bro, no disrespect but I ain't gonna look/listen to that. Nothing against the rest of the guys in the band but I just don't like the way Byron sounded and I don't want that song to get stuck in my head.


Ok, well no disrespect for you, but if you think Bryon staged a creative coup and was 100% responsible for those songs, you are naive. "Love has the Power" easily could have been sung by Joe or Bobby, and is very much a part of the TOTO songbook. Byron didn't inject funk into the band. The band always was, and continues to be funky (ex. Cruel).
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Postby TotoStu » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:42 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Ok, well no disrespect for you, but if you think Bryon staged a creative coup and was 100% responsible for those songs, you are naive. "Love has the Power" easily could have been sung by Joe or Bobby, and is very much a part of the TOTO songbook. Byron didn't inject funk into the band. The band always was, and continues to be funky (ex. Cruel).


Not a bit of it mate. I wouldn't like that song no matter who sang it. I have no objection to funk (I really like Cruel). Fair is fair - there are actually a few Toto tunes that Kimball sang on that I don't particularly dig. Believe it or not quite a lot of Mindfields doesn't really work for me. I feel bad saying that cause I know some of the Toto guys look at this site and I know to put an album together takes a lot of hard work - but for me it just doesn't hit the right spot a lot of the time.

Also, quite a lot of the time when listening to Toto I skip the ballads. That's again nothing against the guys - they have to do those cause a lot of the fans love them - but ballads in general are just something I'm not keen on. Although having said that, I do quite like hearing live versions of "I Won't Hold You Back". When he's doing it live, Lukather really seems to put a kind of rawness into it - and I like that.
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Postby Red » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:29 pm

Hoping for a smooth sounding and soulful record. That would fit Joseph's voice just right. I love heavy rock, hard rock etc etc but that's not how I want Toto to sound.
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Postby TotoStu » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:23 am

Red wrote:Hoping for a smooth sounding and soulful record. That would fit Joseph's voice just right. I love heavy rock, hard rock etc etc but that's not how I want Toto to sound.


I asked Mr Lukather on twitter what direction the album was going in, and told him I have a hunch they are aiming for a kind of Pink Floyd thing. Here is what he had to say (hope he doesn't mind me posting this...)

@ChickenStu haha Well, It has some elements as I LOVE PF. I think you will have to be the judge. Sounds fresh and new to me. Its US.

I think he was getting great enjoyment out of leaving me dangling! :lol:

That'll be my last communication with him because I'm going to deactivate my Twitter account. But yeah... he answered the question without really answering it! HAHA!!!

Joking aside - he's a really nice guy, and let's face it - he's not gonna tell us anything about it cause he'd rather we listen to it when it's done. Very exciting times. Don't like the idea of waiting a year - but at least we've got the live album next month!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:48 pm

Thanks for posting, Stu.
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Postby TotoStu » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:08 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Thanks for posting, Stu.


No worries! I hope he doesn't mind me sharing that...

He really is a very nice guy, but he has a wicked sense of humour. Cause the thing is Toto is SO diverse, they've done so many different things when he says "It's US" I kind of think "Well, WHICH you?" you know? I didn't press the subject any further... cause I knew he's not going to tell me anything!

Top top guy though. I was telling my daughter about Mike Porcaro's unfortunate predicament and that the main reason the band reformed was to make money to help him with his medical expenses. She was very impressed by it. Thanks to Toto - the ALS thing is a bit more in the public consciousness than it was. I'd certainly never heard of it before. (Well, I had but back then it was referred to as "Lou Gehrig's Disease". The actor Lane Smith who played Perry White in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures Of Superman sadly died of it many years ago).
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