Info on new TOTO dvd (mostly technical)

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.screenafrica.com/page/news/i ... HD-release

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know this tour was billed as a "Greatest Hits" tour, but this DVD setlist leaves me cold. Boring.


1.Child's Anthem
2.Till the End
3.Afraid Of Love
4.Lovers In The Night
5.Somewhere Tonight
6.Pamela
7.Lea
8.Gift of Faith
9.*Keyboard Solo*
10.Africa
11.Human Nature
(Michael Jackson cover)
12.Rosanna
13.Georgy Porgy
14.Stop Loving You
15.Home Of The Brave

Encore:
16.Hold the Line

[brandonx76]

Ehh...what are you going to do...its Toto...what I would like is a studio track (party's over type or something)

[Brett]

I know this tour was billed as a "Greatest Hits" tour, but this DVD setlist leaves me cold. Boring.


1.Child's Anthem
2.Till the End
3.Afraid Of Love
4.Lovers In The Night
5.Somewhere Tonight
6.Pamela
7.Lea
8.Gift of Faith
9.*Keyboard Solo*
10.Africa
11.Human Nature
(Michael Jackson cover)
12.Rosanna
13.Georgy Porgy
14.Stop Loving You
15.Home Of The Brave

Encore:
16.Hold the Line

How shocking, it's the same as the setlist for the tour it was filmed on....which you also banged on about being dreadful (with precisely nobody joining in with you IIRC...)

[The_Noble_Cause]

How shocking, it's the same as the setlist for the tour it was filmed on....which you also banged on about being dreadful (with precisely nobody joining in with you IIRC...)

Several posters over on the TOTO network had the same complaint. Since Joe's return, the band has been very selective about what they play - and not for the better. And in case you haven't noticed, nobody joins in on any thread on this forum. Place is dead.

[Red]

http://www.screenafrica.com/page/news/industry/342532-Lawo-mc-records-Toto-for-HD-release

Thanks. I just hope they don't compress the sound too much. Don't like the sound of FiB and All's well, they are way too loud IMO.

[Red]

How shocking, it's the same as the setlist for the tour it was filmed on....which you also banged on about being dreadful (with precisely nobody joining in with you IIRC...)

Several posters over on the TOTO network had the same complaint. Since Joe's return, the band has been very selective about what they play - and not for the better. And in case you haven't noticed, nobody joins in on any thread on this forum. Place is dead.

I wish they had done one or two more rarely played songs from the 1986-1988 era. Still, thay have sounded really good on these last two tours, including Joe. I've seen them live 6-7 times since 1988 and vocals were really good this time. The best since 1987 probably, though I never saw them on the Fahrenheit tour (I've heard the bootlegs).

[JohnH]

http://www.screenafrica.com/page/news/industry/342532-Lawo-mc-records-Toto-for-HD-release

Thanks. I just hope they don't compress the sound too much. Don't like the sound of FiB and All's well, they are way too loud IMO.

True. It's a shame that while FIB the album is a great record and great production, something seriously went wrong in the mastering. I'm never able to crank it on my car stereo (and I'm on my second since the album was out) without distortion. It was mastered way too hot. Don't have this problem usually.

[Red]

http://www.screenafrica.com/page/news/industry/342532-Lawo-mc-records-Toto-for-HD-release

Thanks. I just hope they don't compress the sound too much. Don't like the sound of FiB and All's well, they are way too loud IMO.

True. It's a shame that while FIB the album is a great record and great production, something seriously went wrong in the mastering. I'm never able to crank it on my car stereo (and I'm on my second since the album was out) without distortion. It was mastered way too hot. Don't have this problem usually.

I remember reading an interview (or a forum comment on the Toto network?) with Steve L where he said they were considering "compress the hell out of it" (FiB). They surely did.

[brandonx76]

http://www.screenafrica.com/page/news/industry/342532-Lawo-mc-records-Toto-for-HD-release

Thanks. I just hope they don't compress the sound too much. Don't like the sound of FiB and All's well, they are way too loud IMO.

True. It's a shame that while FIB the album is a great record and great production, something seriously went wrong in the mastering. I'm never able to crank it on my car stereo (and I'm on my second since the album was out) without distortion. It was mastered way too hot. Don't have this problem usually.

I remember reading an interview (or a forum comment on the Toto network?) with Steve L where he said they were considering "compress the hell out of it" (FiB). They surely did.

Compress? Why would they do that?

[Irwin M Fletcher]

i thought the setlist this year was great, totally different from 2007.

[Red]

http://www.screenafrica.com/page/news/industry/342532-Lawo-mc-records-Toto-for-HD-release

Thanks. I just hope they don't compress the sound too much. Don't like the sound of FiB and All's well, they are way too loud IMO.

True. It's a shame that while FIB the album is a great record and great production, something seriously went wrong in the mastering. I'm never able to crank it on my car stereo (and I'm on my second since the album was out) without distortion. It was mastered way too hot. Don't have this problem usually.

I remember reading an interview (or a forum comment on the Toto network?) with Steve L where he said they were considering "compress the hell out of it" (FiB). They surely did.

Compress? Why would they do that?

Almost everyone does these days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

[WalrusOct9]

Yeah, not super crazy about the setlist, but still looking forward to watching it since I'm stuck in the States.

[DracIsBack]

Any update on when this is coming out? (other than 'early 2012')

[The_Noble_Cause]

Any update on when this is coming out? (other than 'early 2012')

Haven't heard much. Like the last dvd, my guess is it won't get released.

[Morten]

Two people asked about the DVD on Lukather's Facebook page today. Here are his replies:

In litigation.. some asshole is suing us over the rights.. unreal. HOPING to clear it up ASAP and out Spring

In litigation.. some douchebag THINKS he owns it and made a cease and desist.. it sucks. SPRING hopefully

[Andrew]

Two people asked about the DVD on Lukather's Facebook page today. Here are his replies:

In litigation.. some asshole is suing us over the rights.. unreal. HOPING to clear it up ASAP and out Spring

In litigation.. some douchebag THINKS he owns it and made a cease and desist.. it sucks. SPRING hopefully

Correct.

And the litigation also ties up the Toto name for any potential studio album. So hope it gets sorted ASAP.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And the litigation also ties up the Toto name for any potential studio album. So hope it gets sorted ASAP.

That's wierd. Luke and Paich founded the band - who on earth could possibly lay claim to the TOTO name (besides the urinal company, obviously). Is this lawsuit-happy mega-asshole none other than Bobby K or worse, a truly desperate JM Byron?

[Ehwmatt]

Andrew, any details on the suit? Are they being sued in the States or abroad?

[G.I.Jim]

And the litigation also ties up the Toto name for any potential studio album. So hope it gets sorted ASAP.

That's wierd. Luke and Paich founded the band - who on earth could possibly lay claim to the TOTO name (besides the urinal company, obviously). Is this lawsuit-happy mega-asshole none other than Bobby K or worse, a truly desperate JM Byron?

My guess would be Bobby, but what about the Porcaro's? Don't know anything about the legal stuff with the band, so who knows? Andrew???

[Morten]

Could it have something to do with this?

http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/rea ... msg-852109

[Joe Vana]

Could it have something to do with this?

http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/rea ... msg-852109

And bingo was his name o......

[G.I.Jim]

What a piece of shit label!! I would love to see all of the artists involved with that shithole get as far away from him as humanly possible, and leave that pile of shit to rot in his own dust. Sorry, too harsh?

[WalrusOct9]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The compressed, distorted mastering on Falling In Between should preclude Frontiers from having any rights to future Toto material.

[ptgraphics]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The compressed, distorted mastering on Falling In Between should preclude Frontiers from having any rights to future Toto material.

I agree 100%. Great songs, terrible mastering.

Pat

[Andrew]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The compressed, distorted mastering on Falling In Between should preclude Frontiers from having any rights to future Toto material.

They had nothing to do with the recording or mastering of that album, and I can't possibly agree with you - distorted? It sounded killer.

[WalrusOct9]

They had nothing to do with the recording or mastering of that album, and I can't possibly agree with you - distorted? It sounded killer.

It was compressed to the point of distortion on many tracks. The original recording was good but it's a tiring listen, even though muscially it's one of the best things Toto ever did. I don't know why they felt the need to make all of it so loud.

This is the waveform for "Taint Your World." Every time the blue hits the top, you get digital distortion. Not to mention listening to that level of dynamic absence for 40+ minutes at the appropriate level for rocking out. REALLY wish they'd done this one on vinyl, it would've been a very different listening experience.




Just an FYI...it's really the kind of thing I've learned a lot about the last 5-6 years as I went back (virtually exclusively at this point) to vinyl and realized just how bad almost all modern CD's sound...it's why I have no emotions about the death of that format. [/img]

[Brian M]

Remember that the software companies with few exceptions leave .5db in for headroom. It used
to be that SoundForge was one of the few programs that 0 was actually 0.

-b

[WalrusOct9]

True. But that is an ugly waveform no matter what you're using to view it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

....even though muscially it's one of the best things Toto ever did.

No, it's not. Even Mindfields was better. FIB has like 5 killer tracks, then alot of filler.