Quebec vs Canada

[styxfanNH]

When did Quebec become Canada?

[DarwinNebraska]

Huh? They've been trying to secede for years.

You need a history lesson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec

[blt man]

Why is it that Americans know nothing about our country?

[DarwinNebraska]

A guy from New Hampshire no less.

[Jodes]

Quebec was given provincial status and became part of Canada on July 1st, 1867 along with New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. It was first known As the "Province of Canada" it was later split into what we now know as Ontario and Quebec. Quebec was formerly known as "Lower Canada" and Ontario was known as Upper Canada, since it was "Upstream" of the St. Laurence Seaway.

It has been trying to secede from Canada but the "seperatist" movement has cooled down in the last 7 or so years. Right now "Canadian" political parties are in "power" in the Quebec Legislature (think State level government for you in the US).

Yes, there is still a large amount of Seperatist political members in Federal Politics here in Canada, they are a minority party here in Canada. (In the US you have the Republicans and Democrats) - in Canada right now the Progressive Conservative Party is the one with a slight majority in power.
The Right Honourable Steven Harper is our Prime Minister. (Think of the Conservatives as left of center Republicans) The rest of Parliament (Think Congress) is made up of the Liberal Party, The New Democratic Party (Think of them as really Left wing Democrats) and the Bloq Quebecois (They are a Quebec "seperatist" group, but have very little teeth.. only in Canada will you have a "seperatist" playing a key role in Canadian issues!)

Here's some other interesting Canadian Political facts:

1) It was a Canadian Prime Minister that came up with the idea of the United Nations Security Forces (Peacekeepers)

2) It was a Canadian politician who created Canada's much envied healthcare system after a friend of his could not afford health care and passed away.

3). Canadian Parliament voted nearly 100% to send troops to the 1st Gulf War - the First war Canada had been involved int since the Korean War.

4). Canadian Parliament also voted NOT to send troops to Iraq during the 2nd war, because we wanted to see how the UN would vote.

5). We have currently around 2500 troops fighting in Afghanistan right now, mostly in Khandahar Province, and there is much debate right now on the role our soldiers our playing there. We are trying to rebuild but unfortunately the Taliban and their coward attacks have pretty much put a stop to it.. Two steps foward, one step back.

6) Our system is based on the British Govenment system.

7) Quebec is the only Canadian province that does not allow ANY English signs in certain communities. In most government centers across Canada though, service and signage is provided in BOTH French and English.

A governement organization called the CRTC regulates that 30% of all music on Canadian Radio MUST BE CANADIAN. All program directors in Canada must abide by this. Now, if a band is American, but say they cowrote a song with a Canadian, recorded the album in Canada and had a Canadian Producer, they would be considered CANCON. Heart's first few albums fall into this category.. hence why you hear them EVERY FLIPPING DAY on Canadian Radio! lol

9). There are 10 Canadian Provinces: British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland.

There are 3 Canadian Territories: Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut.

10) There is also a government proposal in the works for a Canadian Protectorat of the Island Chain of the Turks and Caicos (We will have somewhere warm to finally go and spend Canadian dollars instead of Euros or US Dollars! yay!)

I think it's quite sad that the US's biggest trading partner, biggest user of it's natural resorces and the country that it shares the world's largest undefended border with gets barely a mention in the US Educational system.

How are the American children of tomorrow suppose to learn about the world around them when their governments only have them focus on themselves and only themselves? Seems like a very poor business decision to me!

Does this help anyone?

If you have any other questions, please ask..

Oh and NO WE DON'T LIVE IN IGLOOS!!

[styxfanNH]

Why is it that Americans know nothing about our country?

Don't miss the sarcasm in the brief statement. There are some in here that pretend/believe the Quebec numbers on Dennis's album is for all of Canada. Or at least act like it.

Dennis' album is a good album. Even better than average. Even beter than I thought it was going to be. It is also an unfinshed album as there are still several tracks missing from what Dennis wanted it to be.

But I was just trying to bring up the hip hip hip-o-cracy in the way both sides use numbers to further their agenda.

[DarwinNebraska]

Why is it that Americans know nothing about our country?

Don't miss the sarcasm in the brief statement. There are some in here that pretend/believe the Quebec numbers on Dennis's album is for all of Canada. Or at least act like it.

Dennis' album is a good album. Even better than average. Even beter than I thought it was going to be. It is also an unfinshed album as there are still several tracks missing from what Dennis wanted it to be.

But I was just trying to bring up the hip hip hip-o-cracy in the way both sides use numbers to further their agenda.

The truth is, you don't have an f'ing clue how the numbers are derived... so why go out of your way to paint them a certain way?

[Jodes]

Well actually, since Quebec is part of Canada and goes by the SOUNDSCAN Charts, all sales reflect on where they are sold. It's why in Montreal it was the #4 top selling album, in Quebec City it was I believe #7 or #8.. There were no other "top 20" sales for Dennis in cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg etc. Sales in the rest of Quebec and Canada pushed the album to debut at #17.

As I said before, if Dennis say has sold right now say 10 000 copies of his album in Canada, Maybe 1000 copies are sold outside of Quebec. He's just that popular there I guess.

Dennis plays Calgary Tommorrow night. To my knowledge the album is available there, but is not being played on radio as of yet (Tim mentioned though that they are working on an English version of 100 years and "Save Me" to go to the rest of Canadian radio very soon). Then if Canadian radio outside Quebec likes what they hear, the album could definately go multiplatinum in Canada.

Quebec's total population is around 7.5 million people, and don't forget Gold is 50 000 copies and Platinum is 100 000 copies, so it's not that big of a stretch to sell that many albums to that population of people. It's getting the rest of the country onboard (the other 26 million) is going to be a challenge!

Alberta though is starting to warm to Dennis (he's played 3 shows here in less than a year) and this could be the place where he "breaks" out in the rest of the English speaking country, especially if he can get on the radio here.

Look at what Alberta radio did for Nickelback.... (ducking and hiding now lol)

[bugsymalone]

Thanks for that clarification, Jodes.

I am one who is aware that Dennis and his album/song's popularity in Canada is due to mostly his Quebec fan base, and not throughout the entire country. My contention is that for him to be on ANY chart in this day and age, and for more than just a week, is quite gratifying.

Last I looked, when someone checks the Billboard singles chart, it is for the whole of Canada. Many of the songs on it are there because they are popular, and getting airplay, for perhaps only certain areas. Doesn't diminish the fact they made the chart. I could argue the same with the US Billboard singles chart. I would guess a number of those songs on it are popular and getting airplay in only parts of the country. It is still a "national" chart, though.

Bugsy

[styxfanNH]

Why is it that Americans know nothing about our country?

Don't miss the sarcasm in the brief statement. There are some in here that pretend/believe the Quebec numbers on Dennis's album is for all of Canada. Or at least act like it.

Dennis' album is a good album. Even better than average. Even beter than I thought it was going to be. It is also an unfinshed album as there are still several tracks missing from what Dennis wanted it to be.

But I was just trying to bring up the hip hip hip-o-cracy in the way both sides use numbers to further their agenda.

The truth is, you don't have an f'ing clue how the numbers are derived... so why go out of your way to paint them a certain way?

I would think that even an idiot knows that when the Soundscan report says Quebec, it means Quebec, Not Canada.

[styxfanNH]

Thanks for that clarification, Jodes.

I am one who is aware that Dennis and his album/song's popularity in Canada is due to mostly his Quebec fan base, and not throughout the entire country. My contention is that for him to be on ANY chart in this day and age, and for more than just a week, is quite gratifying.

Last I looked, when someone checks the Billboard singles chart, it is for the whole of Canada. Many of the songs on it are there because they are popular, and getting airplay, for perhaps only certain areas. Doesn't diminish the fact they made the chart. I could argue the same with the US Billboard singles chart. I would guess a number of those songs on it are popular and getting airplay in only parts of the country. It is still a "national" chart, though.

Bugsy

Wasn't trying to diminish hischarting. IT's a wonderful thing. Just trying to put it in perspective. Everyone here knows the beating theat was given to Styx when they charted with Walrus because it wasn't Billboard.

[DarwinNebraska]

Wasn't trying to diminish hischarting. IT's a wonderful thing. Just trying to put it in perspective. Everyone here knows the beating theat was given to Styx when they charted with Walrus because it wasn't Billboard.

No, you were trying to diminish it.

You're just obviously trying to downplay any success Dennis has otherwise there's no need to start *another* thread.

[styxfanNH]

Wasn't trying to diminish hischarting. IT's a wonderful thing. Just trying to put it in perspective. Everyone here knows the beating theat was given to Styx when they charted with Walrus because it wasn't Billboard.

No, you were trying to diminish it.

You're just obviously trying to downplay any success Dennis has otherwise there's no need to start *another* thread.

ACtually it is needed to start another thread when the origanal premise of all the other threads get so far off track from where they started. For example, please show me the thread entitled "Does Dennis wear a rug?"

[DarwinNebraska]

ACtually it is needed to start another thread when the origanal premise of all the other threads get so far off track from where they started. For example, please show me the thread entitled "Does Dennis wear a rug?"

I'm sure you'll start one soon.

[styxfanNH]

Wasn't trying to diminish hischarting. IT's a wonderful thing. Just trying to put it in perspective. Everyone here knows the beating theat was given to Styx when they charted with Walrus because it wasn't Billboard.

No, you were trying to diminish it.

You're just obviously trying to downplay any success Dennis has otherwise there's no need to start *another* thread.

I don't think anyone here is pretending that Dennis didn't have a major input to Styx while he was with them. But not all of us think HE was the band, unless you are looking at "Goodbye Roseland".

The success of the classic lineup's albums was the balance of input and song styles of the 3 song writers. Some refuse to accept that.

Is JY an ass when he gives an interview? Yup, most of the time.

But again, none of them are saints. They all had a hand in the circumstances that have them where they are today. It was more than just kicking Dennis out to gain control of the band.

[bugsymalone]

Back to the original thought here. I think when we talk charting for Current Styx and Dennis we are comparing apples/oranges. The only equal comparisons that could be made, right now, are for how well Current Styx and Dennis charted in Canada with their respective releases. I haven't a clue how well any individual singles Current Styx did in Canada. Or if either of their post-DDY albums sold well enough to appear on the top 100 Soundscan chart.

I will say that Current Styx has the advantage for anything they release of the famous name they use.

Looks like Dennis is going it alone on this CD.

And, again, I am skeptical that "One Hundred Years" will chart in any form -- album or single -- in the US.

Bugsy