Journey

by **froy** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:50 pm

Looks like things are going well for the band
The new singer is the best they have had since Perry
The guy really has a voice unlike Augeri who was thin.

The re-record of Anyway You Want It is unbelievable as are the other classics.
Looks like Perry has been checkmated.

Maybe Gowan can re-record Dennis songs that would for sure kill off Styx..

by **ChicagoSTYX** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:39 pm

froy wrote:Looks like things are going well for the band
The new singer is the best they have had since Perry
The guy really has a voice unlike Augeri who was thin.

The re-record of Anyway You Want It is unbelievable as are the other classics.
Looks like Perry has been checkmated.

Maybe Gowan can re-record Dennis songs that would for sure kill off Styx..

I have heard 5 of the new songs off of Journey’s Revelation CD and they are all very good. The rerecord of the classics also sounds good so far.

by **Jodes** » Fri May 30, 2008 11:47 pm

Funny how someone could be so anti one thing yet embraces another that is a complete and total clone. Boggles the mind.

Arnel checkmating Perry.. thanks for the Laugh Froy.

Jury's still out on Arnel.. Can he survive the road?

Froy, go and listen to Journey's Arrival album.. Steve Auguri did an amazing job on that CD. Great singer, but eventually couldn't hack it on the road. I think Arnel may suffer the same fate if they push him too fast.

A band shouldn't have to go back and re-record new versions of their older songs. I know its their right to do so, but it just shows a lack of creativity.

Speaking of re-recording of Styx classics, come on Froy.. You cannot tell me that Dennis's re-recording of The Grand Illusion for his GH package was anything but atrocious? Hearing a symphony live on the track during a concert is one thing, but that version was just bad bad bad. I don't care if it was for a movie or not. Completely unnecessary.

Oh but in your mind your hero can do no wrong can he?

by **Blue Falcon** » Sat May 31, 2008 12:31 am

froy wrote:Looks like things are going well for the band

Maybe Gowan can re-record Dennis songs that would for sure kill off Styx..

This is not as far-fetched as it sounds. Sharon Osbourne had all of Bob Daisley's bass tracks and backing vocals erased from Ozzy's first two albums and re-recorded by others so she wouldn't have to pay him the royalties he was entitled to when the albums were remastered.

You're SOL if you want to find the originals with Daisley on them...and he was an integral part of that band's sound at that time.

I've said this before in jest, and I doubt it would ever happen: what if JY erased all of DDY's vocals from past albums and re-released them with Larry's face airbrushed in over DDY's on the sleeves? It would be JY's ultimate triumph: "DDY? Who's that? Was he ever in the band?"

by **Ash** » Sat May 31, 2008 12:48 am

yeah but then they'd have to revisit babe and mr. roboto. I think JY's face would explode (and not from the cocaine).

by **NealIsGod** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:14 am

Jodes wrote:A band shouldn't have to go back and re-record new versions of their older songs. I know its their right to do so, but it just shows a lack of creativity.

WalMart dictated that. Originally only 4 new songs were going to be released with the 11 remakes, but the band pushed to include 11 new tracks.

by **DarrenUK** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:10 am

The new Journey release is astounding ...... Arnel sounds awesome on the CD but as Jodes said lets see how he does live .....I loved Arrival but this is much better......

NEVER WALK AWAY
LIKE A SUNSHOWER
WILDEST DREAM
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS (BEST BALLAD SINCE OPEN ARMS)
WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN ( BEST ON THE ALBUM)
TURN DOWN THE WORLD TONIGHT

All songs are great but the above 6 are IMO special....

by **piecesofeight** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:26 am

Jodes wrote:Funny how someone could be so anti one thing yet embraces another that is a complete and total clone. Boggles the mind.

Big diff between what happened to Journey/Styx/Perry/Dennis..even Dennis told me so..

Plus Journey found people who could sing and Perry doesn't want to go back..even though he has been welcome to join..

by **bugsymalone** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:45 am

piecesofeight wrote:
Jodes wrote:Funny how someone could be so anti one thing yet embraces another that is a complete and total clone. Boggles the mind.

Big diff between what happened to Journey/Styx/Perry/Dennis..even Dennis told me so..

Plus Journey found people who could sing and Perry doesn't want to go back..even though he has been welcome to join..

An Perry was not a founding member of the band. He was by far their most prominent vocalist with the largest contribution to the legacy, but by no means their only one. Not a clone situation at all.

Bugsy

by **Jodes** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:34 am

Not a clone situation at all? Please.

It wouldn't have been a clone situation if they would have stuck with JSS.

by **bugsymalone** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:10 am

Jodes wrote:Not a clone situation at all? Please.

It wouldn't have been a clone situation if they would have stuck with JSS.

Ah. You were referring to the singers/voices, not the Styx vs Journey situation. You are right. Journey has definitely gone for the sound-alike voice. No question.

Bugsy

by **Greg** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:42 am

Jodes wrote:Funny how someone could be so anti one thing yet embraces another that is a complete and total clone. Boggles the mind.

Arnel checkmating Perry.. thanks for the Laugh Froy.

Jury's still out on Arnel.. Can he survive the road?

Froy, go and listen to Journey's Arrival album.. Steve Auguri did an amazing job on that CD. Great singer, but eventually couldn't hack it on the road. I think Arnel may suffer the same fate if they push him too fast.

A band shouldn't have to go back and re-record new versions of their older songs. I know its their right to do so, but it just shows a lack of creativity.

Speaking of re-recording of Styx classics, come on Froy.. You cannot tell me that Dennis's re-recording of The Grand Illusion for his GH package was anything but atrocious? Hearing a symphony live on the track during a concert is one thing, but that version was just bad bad bad. I don't care if it was for a movie or not. Completely unnecessary.

Oh but in your mind your hero can do no wrong can he?

I agree with you on Steve Augeri. The man wasn't half the vocalist as Steve Perry, but he was a darn good one and I enjoyed his time in Journey. The thing with the Greatest Hits was so that Journey could use those songs without having to ok it with Steve Perry. Otherwise, it's a mistake for Journey to re-record them.

by **Jodes** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:26 am

Yes, I know there was a lot of bad blood in the Styx situation, as well as the Journey situation.

Both also had similiarites though too.. health conditions postponing tours, etc and also some differences.

Thinking back now, if they sell over 80 000 copies through walmart and have those redone GHs, it might have people saying" hey, he can sing those classics pretty good.. maybe we should go check them out in concert".

If thats the way they were thinking, that could have some impact on putting bums in seats at their concerts this summer.

by **Blue Falcon** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:36 am

Jodes wrote:
Thinking back now, if they sell over 80 000 copies through walmart and have those redone GHs, it might have people saying" hey, he can sing those classics pretty good.. maybe we should go check them out in concert".

If thats the way they were thinking, that could have some impact on putting bums in seats at their concerts this summer.

If that is what happens, then it's a damn sight better than what Styx has accomplished. Journey is headlining Nissan Pavilion in my area, whereas Styx can't headline my daughter's backyard birthday party at this point.

Foreigner, Boston, and Journey have done the right thing by getting sound-alike singers. Are you listening, Styx?

(And no, I know DDY will never come back...but they could at least get a guy who can sing like him.)

by **bugsymalone** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:29 am

Journey is most definitely riding high now. Lots of publicity for the album and the new vocalist. Can't hurt when it comes time for them to sell tickets to the concerts.

Bugsy

by **Jodes** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:44 am

Falcon, even if they did that 10 years ago I'm sure you'd still be on here saying "Can the clone"

Yes Journey may have a great debut in the US, but will it last? Doubtful. A month from now their new CD will be out of the top 100 and they'll be back to where they were before.

Also, I don't think their selling as many tickets on this Heart and Cheap Trick bill as they were selling with Def Leppard a few years back.

Also Journey has always had solid management, promotions, and good business people. Still do..

I don't know if I would call Kelly Hanson a Lou Gramm clone (Its been awhile since I've heard their live CD) but they are definately not Headlining the big venues right now, and who knows if a new CD by them would create any buzz. Doubtful.

Boston is an interesting engima. I know ticket sales for some of their Canadian dates were really slow. (These were either just with them or with Lou Gramm). I think them having Styx as their opener may bring in some fans, but I don't think they'll have the crowds they did in 2003 when they toured with both Brad and Fran.

I think this Boston tour is going to be like the BNW tour.. they will play a few dates, see how it goes and go from there.

by **DavidD** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:40 pm

For the most part when a band with a name and songs from the past rolls in to play - people identify with it or not. They may say ---- wow lets go check that out. That is ... if it's advertised. If no one knows it's happening. No one comes for the most part but the diehards. That's the bottom line. Regardless.

by **FormerDJMike** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:01 am

I picked it up at WalMart the day it was released. I love the rec-recorded stuff and I generally like it when a band revisits older material. This disc (2) is very good and very well done. I am hearing things I never heard before. My all time fave Journey song is "Stone In Love" and now I like it even more. Arond the 3 minute mark I am hearing an acoustic guitar that I have never heard before. Maybe it wasn't on the original, but I like it. Only bad thing about this disc... What the HECK is that CLICKING noise on "Faithfully"?!?

DVD - skimmed thru it. The audio and video quality (not the mention song selection) are not as good as the Journey 2001 DVD. I enjoy that one better. It's not that the 2008 DVD isn't good but it did not hold my attention.

And "Revelation". I like it, I need to give it more spins before really deciding but it isn't bad at all.

Sales put it in the top 5 this week. In fact, by Wed our Walmart was OUT of them but has since restocked with a huge Journey display by the front door. They have the remastered Escape for 5 bucks. I am going to pick it up today since I only have the original analog transfer DVD.

by **Toph** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:24 am

FormerDJMike wrote:I picked it up at WalMart the day it was released. I love the rec-recorded stuff and I generally like it when a band revisits older material. This disc (2) is very good and very well done. I am hearing things I never heard before. My all time fave Journey song is "Stone In Love" and now I like it even more. Arond the 3 minute mark I am hearing an acoustic guitar that I have never heard before. Maybe it wasn't on the original, but I like it. Only bad thing about this disc... What the HECK is that CLICKING noise on "Faithfully"?!?

DVD - skimmed thru it. The audio and video quality (not the mention song selection) are not as good as the Journey 2001 DVD. I enjoy that one better. It's not that the 2008 DVD isn't good but it did not hold my attention.

And "Revelation". I like it, I need to give it more spins before really deciding but it isn't bad at all.

Sales put it in the top 5 this week. In fact, by Wed our Walmart was OUT of them but has since restocked with a huge Journey display by the front door. They have the remastered Escape for 5 bucks. I am going to pick it up today since I only have the original analog transfer DVD.

I have to disagree with you on the re-recorded stuff. On the pre-Escape stuff especially, I think it shows what Journey lost in background vocals when Rolie left and Cain took over. Compare the background vocals to the Pre Escape stuff to the original - the current version doesn't hold a candle. Cain is REALLY WEAK in the backing vocal deparment.

by **Big J** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:37 am

froy wrote:Looks like things are going well for the band
The new singer is the best they have had since Perry
The guy really has a voice unlike Augeri who was thin.

The re-record of Anyway You Want It is unbelievable as are the other classics.
Looks like Perry has been checkmated.

Maybe Gowan can re-record Dennis songs that would for sure kill off Styx..

Pineda's voice is thinner than Augeri's.

by **kansas666** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:57 pm

Blue Falcon wrote:Styx can't headline my daughter's backyard birthday party at this point.

Your daughter's birthday party is bringing in more than 2000 people at $40 a pop.

:roll:

by **froy** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:15 am

kansas666 wrote:
Blue Falcon wrote:Styx can't headline my daughter's backyard birthday party at this point.

Your daughter's birthday party is bringing in more than 2000 people at $40 a pop.

Is that something to be proud of? :roll:

by **gr8dane** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:13 am

froy wrote:
kansas666 wrote:
Blue Falcon wrote:Styx can't headline my daughter's backyard birthday party at this point.

Your daughter's birthday party is bringing in more than 2000 people at $40 a pop.

Is that something to be proud of?

Well,that's 40 cars at 2000 bob a pop.
How are you doing?

by **Rick** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:46 am

Big J wrote:
froy wrote:Looks like things are going well for the band
The new singer is the best they have had since Perry
The guy really has a voice unlike Augeri who was thin.

The re-record of Anyway You Want It is unbelievable as are the other classics.
Looks like Perry has been checkmated.

Maybe Gowan can re-record Dennis songs that would for sure kill off Styx..

Pineda's voice is thinner than Augeri's.

Negative, Ghost Rider. Arnels hair might be thinner, his ass maybe, but not his voice. :lol:

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:05 am

froy wrote:
The re-record of Anyway You Want It is unbelievable as are the other classics.
Looks like Perry has been checkmated.

Yep.
Never hear from him again now, at least not musically.

He won't stand for being outsold by Journey so he will remain in the hole in Punxatawney and let his loons foster the myth that he could still come back and top them.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:46 am

Red13JoePa wrote:He won't stand for being outsold by Journey so he will remain in the hole in Punxatawney and let his loons foster the myth that he could still come back and top them.

The band's only claim to recent charting success has been a 3 disc set - two of which were mostly Perry-era classics.

One step forward, two steps back.

by **Jodes** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:02 am

Wow.. I never thought that three weeks after it was released that it would still be in the top 10.. Nearing Gold to boot. Perry Era classics, yet, but Mr. Schon and Mr. Cain are also responsible for a lot of those hits as well.

Plus, at least Journey was nice enough to re-record Faith In The Heartland to give Mr. Auguri some residual funds as well..

Possibly a gold album to go on his wall as well! (Or Maybe not lol).

I'm really starting to like the new CD, but still can't forgive them for what they did to Jeff.

by **froy** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:03 am

Jodes wrote:Wow.. I never thought that three weeks after it was released that it would still be in the top 10.. Nearing Gold to boot. Perry Era classics, yet, but Mr. Schon and Mr. Cain are also responsible for a lot of those hits as well.

Plus, at least Journey was nice enough to re-record Faith In The Heartland to give Mr. Auguri some residual funds as well..

Possibly a gold album to go on his wall as well! (Or Maybe not lol).

I'm really starting to like the new CD, but still can't forgive them for what they did to Jeff.

Did you not blast me over JRNY awhile ago?
Now your all in...

by **Jodes** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:07 pm

Go back and read what I said again Froy. I didn't go anywhere near blasting you, I just laughed when you said that he was close to Perry. Arnel is good, but there can only be one Steve Perry.

I am still awaiting word on his live shows and how he does the classics live.

Steve A sounded excellent on the record as well, but the live shows killed his voice.

All in? I've actually listened to the album a few times and its a grower.. still not thrilled with the remakes though. No need for that. Haven't watched the DVD either.

Say what you want Froy, but after the abysmmal Generations, I was expecting another album at that level. Not this one. I guess they realized that if they kept going in the vein of Red 13 and Generations that the fans would abondon them left right and center.

Some die hards won't touch it, but I gave it a chance..

Speaking of albums.. I am going to have to hunt for another copy of 100 YEars from now. Some punks broke into my truck and stole all my Styx, Outfield (that one is gonna cost me the most to replace), Butch Walker and my only copy of 100 Years.

You'd think it would be easy to find eh? Well its pretty much gone off the shelves out here in Edmonton never to return. Looks like I'll have to grin and pay the $22.99 at the CD Plus where I've seen one copy. Sigh.

Its been a few months since I've actually listened to it because frankly, I got tired of it right quick. I love Save Me and Crossing, but the rest of the album is just "there". Maybe having this happen was a blessing, I can get a new copy and appreciate it more!

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:37 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:He won't stand for being outsold by Journey so he will remain in the hole in Punxatawney and let his loons foster the myth that he could still come back and top them.

The band's only claim to recent charting success has been a 3 disc set - two of which were mostly Perry-era classics.

One step forward, two steps back.

Hey man, 9.5 posters out of 10 says "Disc 2 is shit/a disgrace!!!/A Gip!!!!"

So it's either the REASON it went gold or a drink coaster only, can't be both.

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