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Postby stmonkeys » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:35 am

hey toph

according to wikki:
"Sister Christian" is a power ballad by the hard rock band Night Ranger, which was the second single released on their album Midnight Madness. It was ranked number 32 on VH1's 100 Greatest Songs of the 1980s.
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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:05 pm

2. The Gulf War or Operation Desert Shield actually began on August 7 1990. From Wikipedia..."Operation Desert Shield began on 7 August 1990 when U.S. troops were sent to Saudi Arabia due also to the request of its monarch, King Fahd, who had earlier called for U.S. military assistance." Edge of the Century was released in the fall of 1990, 2 months after the war. If SMTW is released then, it still ties into the war, is sung by a recognizable singer from Styx, and does as good or better than #3. plus, it gives the album momentum as it appears on the scene and takes advantage of being in prominent places in records stores at the time. When SMTW was finally released, the album promotion had been stopped and other albums were in prominent display positions on the shelf.




Desert Shield wasn't the war....Desert Storm was, and it started in January of 1991. I remember this because I was in my last year of high school and working at a hot dog place, someone came in and told us they started bombing Iraq and we ended up for the rest of the day listening to the reports on the radio. :?
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:59 pm

DracIsBack wrote:
Monker wrote:You are such an idiot.


Nice dude. Real nice ...


That's typical Monker. Hardly ever posts a reply without slinging a personal insult. Guess it makes Monker feel better.
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Postby Toph » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:59 am

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
2. The Gulf War or Operation Desert Shield actually began on August 7 1990. From Wikipedia..."Operation Desert Shield began on 7 August 1990 when U.S. troops were sent to Saudi Arabia due also to the request of its monarch, King Fahd, who had earlier called for U.S. military assistance." Edge of the Century was released in the fall of 1990, 2 months after the war. If SMTW is released then, it still ties into the war, is sung by a recognizable singer from Styx, and does as good or better than #3. plus, it gives the album momentum as it appears on the scene and takes advantage of being in prominent places in records stores at the time. When SMTW was finally released, the album promotion had been stopped and other albums were in prominent display positions on the shelf.




Desert Shield wasn't the war....Desert Storm was, and it started in January of 1991. I remember this because I was in my last year of high school and working at a hot dog place, someone came in and told us they started bombing Iraq and we ended up for the rest of the day listening to the reports on the radio. :?


Sheesh....the ignorance shown on here is earth shattering sometimes. And I love how Stmonkeys tries to delegitimize an entire post on one minute thing. So, to address your nits.

1. If Sister Christian was the second single, then my bad. Would like to know what the first single was then off that album. It was NOT "When You Close Your Eyes". But you still have all the other tracks that I listed...oh and let's not forget Amanda by Boston and More Than Words by Extreme...ballads as first singles.

2. Desert Shield started our committment to troops in that area. It was when people's families here started being seperated due to soldiers being sent away. It was when the whole Gulf thing started. It was when they were debating on the House floor whether or not to send troops.Hey, aren't those the same sound bites on Show Me the Way? Well, they were happening in the summer before the album ever came out. Further proof, what was the other song most closely associated with the Gulf War? Bette Midler's "From A Distance". When did that come out? Well, it peaked in July of 1990 at #2 meaning it was associated with the Gulf War and came out waaaaay before SMTW and waaaaay before SMTW would have come out even if it had been the first single off Edge. The point still stands. SMTW as a first single would have been extremely beneficial to Edge without hurting the song's chances for succcess.

But keep looking for the trees while missing the forest....
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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:08 am


From Wikipedia:


"Show Me the Way" is the second single released from Edge of the Century by Styx.

Lead vocalist/keyboardist Dennis DeYoung, a devout Roman Catholic, originally wrote the song for his son, Matthew, as a pseudo-hymn about the struggle to keep the faith in a "world so filled with hatred". Released in December 1990, the song was slowly scaling the charts in January 1991, just prior to the United States' entry into the Gulf War, and many radio DJs mixed the song with voice tracks of parents headed off to fight in the war.
The single rose up the Billboard Hot 100 all the way to #3. The song also hit #3 on the Adult Contemporary chart, remaining in the top 40 of that chart for an impressive 31 weeks. While that association undoubtedly buoyed the song's success and contributed to its lingering appeal[citation needed], in fact, the single had not yet peaked [1] when the war officially ended, on February 28, 1991.[2]

The song was Styx's fourth and final top 5 single to date (and 8th top 10 single), and comes in at #68 on the Billboard



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Postby Toph » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:37 am

And the point of this is....
pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
From Wikipedia:


"Show Me the Way" is the second single released from Edge of the Century by Styx.

Lead vocalist/keyboardist Dennis DeYoung, a devout Roman Catholic, originally wrote the song for his son, Matthew, as a pseudo-hymn about the struggle to keep the faith in a "world so filled with hatred". Released in December 1990, the song was slowly scaling the charts in January 1991, just prior to the United States' entry into the Gulf War, and many radio DJs mixed the song with voice tracks of parents headed off to fight in the war.
The single rose up the Billboard Hot 100 all the way to #3. The song also hit #3 on the Adult Contemporary chart, remaining in the top 40 of that chart for an impressive 31 weeks. While that association undoubtedly buoyed the song's success and contributed to its lingering appeal[citation needed], in fact, the single had not yet peaked [1] when the war officially ended, on February 28, 1991.[2]

The song was Styx's fourth and final top 5 single to date (and 8th top 10 single), and comes in at #68 on the Billboard




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Me_the_Way_(Styx_song)

And your point is....?
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Postby Monker » Tue May 03, 2011 12:48 pm

Toph wrote:And the point of this is....
pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
From Wikipedia:


"Show Me the Way" is the second single released from Edge of the Century by Styx.

Lead vocalist/keyboardist Dennis DeYoung, a devout Roman Catholic, originally wrote the song for his son, Matthew, as a pseudo-hymn about the struggle to keep the faith in a "world so filled with hatred". Released in December 1990, the song was slowly scaling the charts in January 1991, just prior to the United States' entry into the Gulf War, and many radio DJs mixed the song with voice tracks of parents headed off to fight in the war.
The single rose up the Billboard Hot 100 all the way to #3. The song also hit #3 on the Adult Contemporary chart, remaining in the top 40 of that chart for an impressive 31 weeks. While that association undoubtedly buoyed the song's success and contributed to its lingering appeal[citation needed], in fact, the single had not yet peaked [1] when the war officially ended, on February 28, 1991.[2]

The song was Styx's fourth and final top 5 single to date (and 8th top 10 single), and comes in at #68 on the Billboard




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Me_the_Way_(Styx_song)

And your point is....?


Point is, you have proven yourself to be an idiot by claiming Desert Shield was the start of the war. It wasn't.

The bottom line is your revisionist history is a fiction that is only truth in your twisted mind. Edge did as well as it could do under the circumstances and timing.
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Postby Glenn » Tue May 03, 2011 1:57 pm

Toph wrote:
pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
2. The Gulf War or Operation Desert Shield actually began on August 7 1990. From Wikipedia..."Operation Desert Shield began on 7 August 1990 when U.S. troops were sent to Saudi Arabia due also to the request of its monarch, King Fahd, who had earlier called for U.S. military assistance." Edge of the Century was released in the fall of 1990, 2 months after the war. If SMTW is released then, it still ties into the war, is sung by a recognizable singer from Styx, and does as good or better than #3. plus, it gives the album momentum as it appears on the scene and takes advantage of being in prominent places in records stores at the time. When SMTW was finally released, the album promotion had been stopped and other albums were in prominent display positions on the shelf.




Desert Shield wasn't the war....Desert Storm was, and it started in January of 1991. I remember this because I was in my last year of high school and working at a hot dog place, someone came in and told us they started bombing Iraq and we ended up for the rest of the day listening to the reports on the radio. :?


Sheesh....the ignorance shown on here is earth shattering sometimes. And I love how Stmonkeys tries to delegitimize an entire post on one minute thing. So, to address your nits.

1. If Sister Christian was the second single, then my bad. Would like to know what the first single was then off that album. It was NOT "When You Close Your Eyes".



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Postby Toph » Wed May 04, 2011 11:49 am

Monker wrote:
Toph wrote:And the point of this is....
pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
From Wikipedia:


"Show Me the Way" is the second single released from Edge of the Century by Styx.

Lead vocalist/keyboardist Dennis DeYoung, a devout Roman Catholic, originally wrote the song for his son, Matthew, as a pseudo-hymn about the struggle to keep the faith in a "world so filled with hatred". Released in December 1990, the song was slowly scaling the charts in January 1991, just prior to the United States' entry into the Gulf War, and many radio DJs mixed the song with voice tracks of parents headed off to fight in the war.
The single rose up the Billboard Hot 100 all the way to #3. The song also hit #3 on the Adult Contemporary chart, remaining in the top 40 of that chart for an impressive 31 weeks. While that association undoubtedly buoyed the song's success and contributed to its lingering appeal[citation needed], in fact, the single had not yet peaked [1] when the war officially ended, on February 28, 1991.[2]

The song was Styx's fourth and final top 5 single to date (and 8th top 10 single), and comes in at #68 on the Billboard




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Me_the_Way_(Styx_song)

And your point is....?


Point is, you have proven yourself to be an idiot by claiming Desert Shield was the start of the war. It wasn't.

The bottom line is your revisionist history is a fiction that is only truth in your twisted mind. Edge did as well as it could do under the circumstances and timing.


Either you can't read or you just aren't that bright. Nevertheless, I think I would have an easier time explaining this to my dog.

Maybe you missed it the first time. So, here is what I said again as it relates to Desert Shield vs. Desert Storm. I never said Desert Shield was the start of the war....

"2. Desert Shield started our committment to troops in that area. It was when people's families here started being seperated due to soldiers being sent away. It was when the whole Gulf thing started. It was when they were debating on the House floor whether or not to send troops.Hey, aren't those the same sound bites on Show Me the Way? Well, they were happening in the summer before the album ever came out. Further proof, what was the other song most closely associated with the Gulf War? Bette Midler's "From A Distance". When did that come out? Well, it peaked in July of 1990 at #2 meaning it was associated with the Gulf War and came out waaaaay before SMTW and waaaaay before SMTW would have come out even if it had been the first single off Edge. The point still stands. SMTW as a first single would have been extremely beneficial to Edge without hurting the song's chances for succcess. "

Let me put it in language you might understand.

1. Desert Shield - troops go bye bye. Head to Saudi Arabia in August. Before that men in capitol debate whether to send troops over there.
2. Styx makes record puts it out in October. Many troops over in Saudi Arabia
3. From a Distance - other Gulf War Tune...hits peak in July 1990 even before troops went bye bye. Lots of people thinking about the war (that is when soldiers shoot guns at bad guys)
4. Styx sings song that is interpreted about Gulf War and on the record that comes out in October.
5. Styx doesn't give the radio the song in October even though troops have gone bye bye and instead releases a song that doesn't sound like Styx.
6. No radio station wants to play hair band Styx song. Wastes in store promotion efforts.
7. Finally right song is released late in 1990 - before Desert Storm even starts, but Desert Shield is in full swing. Problem is no more displays of Styx albums in stores
8. DJ intermixes clips of House of Representatives arguing about sending troops to SAUDI ARABIA and families sending love to soldiers in SAUDI ARABIA.
9. Desert Storm commences in January 91.
9. Styx has big hit - 3rd biggest song in the whole country for 2 weeks - but doesn't give the base album more sales because base album is already 5 months old and has lost its promotion in stores thereby causing it not to get as many sales as it should have.

Hopefully you can follow this...but I doubt it.
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Postby shaka » Wed May 04, 2011 12:12 pm

I'm really enjoying the revisionist history regarding Damn Yankees songwriting credits. Henceforth all songwriting credit should be allocated by the writing credit going to the person the song most sounds like.
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