If Cheap Trick does this why wont Styx

[ztyxlynne]

Ok, I read this today, Cheap Trick is releasing new music, maybe a album a year. Why wont Styx. Are they using the excuse "no one will buy it" or are they just plain complacent. Why wont they just say, "well we are just riding this out for the paycheck". I am sick of this excuse, if you are a artist then you want to create. I am calling out JY, he seems to be more of a bean counter that a artist. Tommy is working a new album and Glen came out with one didnt he? What is really going on. I dont want to hear, "well we dont have a record deal". If Cheap Trick can do it (they are my 2nd fav band) Styx can, period. come on guys!


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/cheap-tr ... lbum-2016/

[Boomchild]

Ok, I read this today, Cheap Trick is releasing new music, maybe a album a year. Why wont Styx. Are they using the excuse "no one will buy it" or are they just plain complacent. Why wont they just say, "well we are just riding this out for the paycheck". I am sick of this excuse, if you are a artist then you want to create. I am calling out JY, he seems to be more of a bean counter that a artist. Tommy is working a new album and Glen came out with one didnt he? What is really going on. I dont want to hear, "well we dont have a record deal". If Cheap Trick can do it (they are my 2nd fav band) Styx can, period. come on guys!


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/cheap-tr ... lbum-2016/

My guess is they are complacent to just do the touring. After all, that is where the money is. I can see why JY would be the least excited to put out new material. He has never done the lion's share of writing and what he has written didn't get much air play. So when it comes to song writing royalties he has gotten the short end of the stick. I think people need to face the fact that the current Styx is not a new material producing act. I cannot believe that if DDY keeps getting offers for a record deal, Styx hasn't gotten some as well. If they haven't that's pretty sad since they have the brand.

[cinj]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from (I admit I didn't read your link) but Cheap Trick is not releasing a new album every year.

Their last album came out around 2009. There IS talk about a new studio album coming out in 2016, but they've only released four studio albums in the last 20 years.

[ztyxlynne]

In the article it Tom Peterson states that they have a new album already done, waiting for a release date. They are also half way through the next album. He says that they are constantly writing and what good is it if you dont get people hear what you create,its what a artist does. They want to get a new album out every year whilethey can.

My point is that Tommy Shaw is one of the beat writer's and musicians around. I also love hearing the drumming that Todd S does. And yes I have become a big fan of Gowen also. I love hearing there harmonies etc. I also miss hearing new music from Dennis. His vocals,keyboard playing, arranging ,producing is awsome. Lets face it they aren't getting younger and I wish they would put out new music while they can.

[Cassie May]

There have been numerous recent interviews with LG, RP, JY, and TS, and they all have said the same thing--they are working on new music and they have been recording bits and pieces while on the road. LG has mentioned an album, while JY has talked about putting out singles, as albums do not sell like they used to. TS is a prolific writer who writes all the time, in many different styles. He's also working on songs for a solo Americana style album.

[Boomchild]

Now matter how you slice it, Styx' band members have been saying similar things for a long time now. So for those interested it's really a wait and see what happens. Until it actually materializes it all talk and speculation.

[masque]

why dont they? it's simple, they dont have to. they dont see new music as a viable source for income. and from a career standpoint, they have become content trying to be the best live band they can be.

they obviously get some enjoyment from playing so many shows each year. but it's also a very stable kind of life these days. they know what they are doing each year. that allows them to still feel the enjoyment of playing live but also knowing they have time at home to be with family and friends or sitting around in their underwear and enjoying themselves like most late 60 year olds normally would.

i think people forget that no matter what you have done for a living that you dont always feel the need to continue or whatever......i dont think jack nicklaus plays golf 300 days a year anymore......so I dont know why people believe that just because you were/are a musical artist that you MUST continually be creating new music to have fun within your profession. think about how many stars/artists never wrote their material to begin with????

the point is, maybe styx feels tapped creatively and dont feel inspired enough to spend the time and effort to create new music.....it could be that simple.

when you look at most artists that have been around 3 plus decades their original output typically becomes very limited.

rush used to release an album every year of two and now it's every 4-5 years. and most people still feel they are "creating" when they do that.

but to me, I would love to get a new album but if I dont so be it, I appreciate what they have given me and the reality is that it will almost never live up to what we want from them anyway. i mean look at night ranger......they still try to release albums on a regular basis and sometimes they are good and at the worst above average or average.....BUT none of their recent output can hold a candle to earlier days. and while I listen to the newer stuff for a few weeks when it's released, 95% of the time I go back to the first 4-5 albums to get my night ranger fix.

i think bands like styx know that too......no matter what they do, it will never live up to TGI or POE. so unless they are just itching to do something new, why bother? because even if they genuinely LOVE it, they will be crucified for playing it live. so once again, why bother? it makes sense to me, if i were a touring act playing over 100 shows a year and I knew if I made the effort to create new music that essentially it would not be acceptable for me to promote that new music from a live standpoint then it would suck.

trust me, we've seen it before.....when styx did cyclorama, they were proud, they played 4 song live on the tour and got hammered for doing it. the arenas were packed full because it was the big package tour with reo and journey and people were on their feet all night except when styx played the music nobody had heard before.....glen did get a few people fired up on KYAG because he went out into the crowd. otherwise, the new songs were pee and beer breaks or time to sit down.

fast forward to a few years ago, journey releases eclipse and neal schon is slurping up his greatness over this album and they go out and try to play a bunch of it live and the arena I was in went dead as a hammer when they did......so if this is the case, I wouldnt waste my time making new music.....unless like I said above, you personally were just itching to do it to get "it out of your system" so to speak.

[Boomchild]

the point is, maybe styx feels tapped creatively and dont feel inspired enough to spend the time and effort to create new music.....it could be that simple.

Which is fine and could be a true statement. If so, then they shouldn't go around giving people the impression that they still are inspired to put out new material.

but to me, I would love to get a new album but if I dont so be it, I appreciate what they have given me and the reality is that it will almost never live up to what we want from them anyway. i mean look at night ranger......they still try to release albums on a regular basis and sometimes they are good and at the worst above average or average.....BUT none of their recent output can hold a candle to earlier days. and while I listen to the newer stuff for a few weeks when it's released, 95% of the time I go back to the first 4-5 albums to get my night ranger fix.

The other factor is that fans tend to box artists into a corner when it come to their creativity. If it's not like what they did in the past then fans don't want to hear it. Which I imagine can be frustrating as hell to an artist.

it makes sense to me, if i were a touring act playing over 100 shows a year and I knew if I made the effort to create new music that essentially it would not be acceptable for me to promote that new music from a live standpoint then it would suck.

That's the point I think those that are basically begging for Styx to release new material need to realize. They are now just a touring act. To expect any meaningful output of new material from them is futile. They have developed a formula that works and to change it means the cash stops flowing. Also, the majority of fans going to shows are going to hear the songs they know. Their not there to discover the latest new jem form the band. Sad but true.

[Monker]

the point is, maybe styx feels tapped creatively and dont feel inspired enough to spend the time and effort to create new music.....it could be that simple.

Which is fine and could be a true statement. If so, then they shouldn't go around giving people the impression that they still are inspired to put out new material.

but to me, I would love to get a new album but if I dont so be it, I appreciate what they have given me and the reality is that it will almost never live up to what we want from them anyway. i mean look at night ranger......they still try to release albums on a regular basis and sometimes they are good and at the worst above average or average.....BUT none of their recent output can hold a candle to earlier days. and while I listen to the newer stuff for a few weeks when it's released, 95% of the time I go back to the first 4-5 albums to get my night ranger fix.

The other factor is that fans tend to box artists into a corner when it come to their creativity. If it's not like what they did in the past then fans don't want to hear it. Which I imagine can be frustrating as hell to an artist.

it makes sense to me, if i were a touring act playing over 100 shows a year and I knew if I made the effort to create new music that essentially it would not be acceptable for me to promote that new music from a live standpoint then it would suck.

That's the point I think those that are basically begging for Styx to release new material need to realize. They are now just a touring act. To expect any meaningful output of new material from them is futile. They have developed a formula that works and to change it means the cash stops flowing. Also, the majority of fans going to shows are going to hear the songs they know. Their not there to discover the latest new jem form the band. Sad but true.

Wow, "They should do...", "They need to...", etc. What if they don't do any of this stuff you are demanding? Perhaps you care far too much about the actions of other people who are far, FAR, outside of your control.

If Styx wants to say they want to release this and that, and never do....And, the fans feel the desire to express their wanting of new music, even if they never get it....SO WHAT.

None of it really matter much.

I have said on forums like this for nearly 20yrs that Steve Perry would never tour again or be the lead singer of Journey. But, did that stop people from wanting both? Did it stop people from wanting a new album, even though I repeatedly said the chances of that were nearly zero?

Nope. People want those things because that is how people are. Going about saying how people should act and how others "need to" do such and such is laughable...because neither will ever happen.

The bottom line is Styx has MANY ways to get new music heard. It's their choice to take advantage of them, or not. It's the fans choice to believe it can happen, and say they want it.

[Boomchild]

I have said on forums like this for nearly 20yrs that Steve Perry would never tour again or be the lead singer of Journey. But, did that stop people from wanting both? Did it stop people from wanting a new album, even though I repeatedly said the chances of that were nearly zero?

Nope. People want those things because that is how people are. Going about saying how people should act and how others "need to" do such and such is laughable...because neither will ever happen.

The bottom line is Styx has MANY ways to get new music heard. It's their choice to take advantage of them, or not. It's the fans choice to believe it can happen, and say they want it.

Gotta love the obligatory self important plugs you throw into your posts. You read way too much into things. When I say "they or people need to" it's all merely from a observational point or opinion. Of course I have no control over what people think or do. I do think it's silly to tell people you are doing something and then it never materializes. But hey, that's just me.

[StyxGuy]

With an admitted bias of being a fan of a lineup which includes Dennis, I just don't think it's viable for them to do an album these days. Although relatively inexpensive, I doubt it would sell much.

Cyclorama to me was not a very enjoyable Styx record to me. Billy Bob and Tenacious D showing up was just strange to me but hey it was the early 2000's and they were experimenting I guess BNW was much more of a Styx album even though it was surrounded by it's own troubles.

I would still buy an album if they put one out because I'm a huge Styx fan, however these days I get my kicks by listening to the classics and seeing them whenever I can on tour. I've never seen Styx with Dennis (too young!) but I have seen Styx 8 times and their live show is always a blast.

[Abitaman]

It is a shame how the music industry is today. There is a lot of music out there, that hardly no one ever hears. I read an interview or heard it, where DDY was saying he would hate to be a new artist in today's business. Companies afraid to spend money, to make money, too many choices over loading you, and most of what you here is fake and written by a lot of the same people.

[Abitaman]

I like what Lou Gramm said, this from an interview with Jeb...

Jeb: Let’s talk about this solo band. Do you throw new material in the set?

Lou: We do every once and a while. We play a number of songs people know and we get great applause. When we play something new we hear the crickets. I don’t know that they didn’t like it, but they didn’t know it… Something that is not familiar these days they don’t react well to.



Lou goes on to talk about the recording industry today and radio air play and he makes some very good points.

Why should an artist like him or Styx put out new music when no one will play it, or use it for bathroom breaks.

[yogi]

The diehard fans will by the new album and if the music is good and up to standards will be glad they are playing something new and not just the same 'old' set.

Play a couple of the new songs off the new album over the speakers when the band is setting up. Let the not so die hard fans hear it for the first time then.

Then when the concert starts and they play the new material( 2 or 3 songs) most of the people will think 'damn where have I heard this before' or 'I didnt know this was Styx' 'I like this shit'.

It would work!!

Marketing 101- Centenary College - Shreveport La- Class of 1986

[Monker]

The diehard fans will by the new album and if the music is good and up to standards will be glad they are playing something new and not just the same 'old' set.

Play a couple of the new songs off the new album over the speakers when the band is setting up. Let the not so die hard fans hear it for the first time then.

Then when the concert starts and they play the new material( 2 or 3 songs) most of the people will think 'damn where have I heard this before' or 'I didnt know this was Styx' 'I like this shit'.

It would work!!

Marketing 101- Centenary College - Shreveport La- Class of 1986

I have been saying for many years that all they have to do is write new songs, perform them live in concert and record them. Then they could release it on iTunes and/or the next concert CD. It's really simple and would cost no where near what creating an studio album would. So, it's little rick, and the fans get something, and the band can be creative.

And, I still want them to cover Castle Hall....just a perfect song for them.

[Abitaman]

It think it would work too

[yogi]

Def Leppard just put out a new 14 song album.

Didnt Styx just tour with them?