In DDY's words, that night at Borders

[Monker]

They each book at approximately the same fee. Since you must not understand economics, let me explain it for you. Styx have higher "cost of goods" than DDY. Gowan and Ricky Phillips and Todd are going to make more than Styx's co-players. And then you have that DDY gets a piece of all touring revenue. Then you have JY/TS splitting the "rest." DDY gets all the profits of his act himself. Not to hard to figure out "Boomchild".

Obviously the word data hard to for you to understand. When I say data I mean actual monetary figures. Also, Styx books a lot more shows then DDY does. If you don't have actual figures to show it then it's speculation. Plain and simple.

He is also stating a lot of things he doesn't know for a fact. He is also repeating things that were said years ago that may have been facts 10yrs ago, but are no longer.

And, I find it very strange that he believes that Tommy and JY treat the other players as sidemen but pay them well...but DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself.

But, anyway, you're right...unless evidence can be shown of how much each of these guys gets paid, it's only based on imagination and biased thinking. And, really, it's just a silly thing to try to point out. I mean, really, the worst off of them are probably living a higher lifestyle than anybody on this forum.

[Boomchild]

He is also stating a lot of things he doesn't know for a fact. He is also repeating things that were said years ago that may have been facts 10yrs ago, but are no longer.

And, I find it very strange that he believes that Tommy and JY treat the other players as sidemen but pay them well...but DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself.

But, anyway, you're right...unless evidence can be shown of how much each of these guys gets paid, it's only based on imagination and biased thinking. And, really, it's just a silly thing to try to point out. I mean, really, the worst off of them are probably living a higher lifestyle than anybody on this forum.

What's the reason for pointing it out anyway? Does what they make determine if you like their music? When I say their I mean either camp. To me the subject is pointless.

[DracIsBack]

DDY always has to write such things as if he is such a victim and whiner. I mean, suck it up a bit and admit that you did wrong, too, and move on with life.

Because he was a victim. He got totally screwed over.

Having been on forums like this for something like 20 years, one thing is common. Some fans seem to want to act like they were personally there to witness everything.

Never understood it. Same as when people act like their opinions are facts.

But it will never change, sadly.

but DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself.

How do you know what he pays them? You work for him personally?

[DracIsBack]

They each book at approximately the same fee.

Not sure how accurate these are but

Styx:
http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/1096/styx/

Dennis solo
http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampleta ... c-of-styx/

Similar ballpark, with Styx being higher. Which I would expect, given the name.

[Boomchild]

With this talk about which camp makes more money one has to ask, does it really matter? I think it's safe to say that DDY, JY and TS are all multi millionaires. Their not doing this because they need the money. I read few years back that DDY's net worth was estimated at $25 million. With that type of wealth the guy really doesn't live that lavish of a lifestyle. His house in Burr Ridge IL was worth $1 million when he bought it.

[yogi]

Back in October, during the playoffs, a good buddy of mine swore up and down that he was sure that he saw JY (dressed as Dr. Rightous) selling hot dogs about 2 to 3 blocks from Wrigley when the Cubbies were playing St Louis.

Bad investments?

[Boomchild]

Back in October, during the playoffs, a good buddy of mine swore up and down that he was sure that he saw JY (dressed as Dr. Rightous) selling hot dogs about 2 to 3 blocks from Wrigley when the Cubbies were playing St Louis.

Bad investments?

Did he happen to see TS around the corner from JY selling soft pretzels? I'd bet that TS raked in more then JY. TS was giving out a free "Oh Momma" necklace with the purchase of 5 or more pretzels.

[Monker]

Just a note....Toph said all of the quotes below, except for the first one , which was me.

DDY always has to write such things as if he is such a victim and whiner. I mean, suck it up a bit and admit that you did wrong, too, and move on with life.

Because he was a victim. He got totally screwed over.

Having been on forums like this for something like 20 years, one thing is common. Some fans seem to want to act like they were personally there to witness everything.

Never understood it. Same as when people act like their opinions are facts.

But it will never change, sadly.

but DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself.

How do you know what he pays them? You work for him personally?

[Monker]

With this talk about which camp makes more money one has to ask, does it really matter? I think it's safe to say that DDY, JY and TS are all multi millionaires. Their not doing this because they need the money. I read few years back that DDY's net worth was estimated at $25 million. With that type of wealth the guy really doesn't live that lavish of a lifestyle. His house in Burr Ridge IL was worth $1 million when he bought it.

At this point, I assume that Todd, Ricky, and Gowan are also valued in the millions....and possibly even Chuck.

[DracIsBack]

With this talk about which camp makes more money one has to ask, does it really matter? I think it's safe to say that DDY, JY and TS are all multi millionaires. Their not doing this because they need the money.

Maybe, and maybe not. One of the things I've learned being involved in other forums is that sometimes musicians aren't as rich as we think they are.

Absolutely true, they sold millions of records. But then you factor in other things - divorce settlements, alimony, loss of royalties from Napster, economic downturns, bad investments, poor savings, terrible management contracts and you might be surprised at what's left.

Looking at how often Styx plays live and how little they get (if the guarantee sites are true) suggest Tommy and JY need the money while Dennis is probably a fair bit more comfortable.

[Toph]

They each book at approximately the same fee.

Not sure how accurate these are but

Styx:
http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/1096/styx/

Dennis solo
http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampleta ... c-of-styx/

Similar ballpark, with Styx being higher. Which I would expect, given the name.

Uh...can you count? The numbers are exactly the same. Thanks for proving my point to Tweedle Dee (Boomchild) and Tweedle Dum (Monkeyboy)

[Toph]

Just a note....Toph said all of the quotes below, except for the first one , which was me.

DDY always has to write such things as if he is such a victim and whiner. I mean, suck it up a bit and admit that you did wrong, too, and move on with life.

Because he was a victim. He got totally screwed over.

Having been on forums like this for something like 20 years, one thing is common. Some fans seem to want to act like they were personally there to witness everything.

Never understood it. Same as when people act like their opinions are facts.

But it will never change, sadly.

but DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself.

How do you know what he pays them? You work for him personally?

Wrong again asswipe!

[Boomchild]

They each book at approximately the same fee.

Not sure how accurate these are but

Styx:
http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/1096/styx/

Dennis solo
http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampleta ... c-of-styx/

Similar ballpark, with Styx being higher. Which I would expect, given the name.

Uh...can you count? The numbers are exactly the same. Thanks for proving my point to Tweedle Dee (Boomchild) and Tweedle Dum (Monkeyboy)

Do you even pay attention to who you are replying to when you post? Neither Monker nor I posted what you are replying to here. I wouldn't even bother taking the time to look this stuff up because it doesn't matter. It has no effect on if I like or don't like their music. At any rate, in terms of success, like it or not TS and JY have a leg up on DDY. They won the rights to the Styx trademark and therefore benefit from having just that. It allows them much more exposure simply based on that trademark. Which I am sure comes into play with booking and tour offers. Make no mistake, I am not a fan boy of the current incarnation of Styx. But it is what it is.

[Monker]

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Wrong again asswipe!

You really should stop making such ridiculous statements.

Drac's post could lead people to believe I said such ignorant things like, "Because he was a victim. He got totally screwed over" and "But DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself." Those are direct quotes from the post Drac replied to - YOUR POST.

And, I know Drac did not do that inentionaly or anything...not THAT big of a deal to me.

[Monker]

Uh...can you count? The numbers are exactly the same. Thanks for proving my point to Tweedle Dee (Boomchild) and Tweedle Dum (Monkeyboy)

....and the point is that you are rambling on about something nobody cares about except you.

I do not care what Dennis, Tommy, JY, or any of the others make. To me, that enters into a realm that I have no desire to be a part of....mostly because it contains people like you.

[Toph]

Do you even pay attention to who you are replying to when you post? Neither Monker nor I posted what you are replying to here. I wouldn't even bother taking the time to look this stuff up because it doesn't matter. It has no effect on if I like or don't like their music. At any rate, in terms of success, like it or not TS and JY have a leg up on DDY. They won the rights to the Styx trademark and therefore benefit from having just that. It allows them much more exposure simply based on that trademark. Which I am sure comes into play with booking and tour offers. Make no mistake, I am not a fan boy of the current incarnation of Styx. But it is what it is.

And you aren't reading for comprehension. You and your good buddy Monker said that my post was incorrect that DDY makes more per show than Styx. I stand by that statement. Drac posted the link and their posted fee range is exactly the same! So, simple math (again, not sure if you can calculate, so I'll talk slowly...) Dennis makes X. Styx makes X. Dennis has 5 other salaried players in his band. Styx has at least 2 partners, plus Chuck and then Gowan (who I'm betting commands more than DDY's keyboardist), Ricky, and Suchermann. Oh, and by the way, they are also having to pay DDY a piece too from the 2001 settlement. So, if DDY brings in the same revenue as Styx and Styx has more costs to split up, then it goes to say that DDY is making more PROFIT per show than Styx.....Yes, DDY has fewer shows, but maybe he doesn't need to tour as much to make the same income as JY and Shaw....

[Toph]

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Wrong again asswipe!

You really should stop making such ridiculous statements.

Drac's post could lead people to believe I said such ignorant things like, "Because he was a victim. He got totally screwed over" and "But DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself." Those are direct quotes from the post Drac replied to - YOUR POST.

And, I know Drac did not do that inentionaly or anything...not THAT big of a deal to me.

And yet you take the time to reply...

[Toph]

Uh...can you count? The numbers are exactly the same. Thanks for proving my point to Tweedle Dee (Boomchild) and Tweedle Dum (Monkeyboy)

....and the point is that you are rambling on about something nobody cares about except you.

I do not care what Dennis, Tommy, JY, or any of the others make. To me, that enters into a realm that I have no desire to be a part of....mostly because it contains people like you.

Look dude, you're who is claiming that DDY is making himself out to be the victim. All I said is that he's making out all the way to the bank. He's not playing victim here. He is saying he got screwed out of a name in which 75% of the value is attributed to him. He should get the name, not two hangers on.

[Boomchild]

And you aren't reading for comprehension. You and your good buddy Monker said that my post was incorrect that DDY makes more per show than Styx. I stand by that statement. Drac posted the link and their posted fee range is exactly the same! So, simple math (again, not sure if you can calculate, so I'll talk slowly...) Dennis makes X. Styx makes X. Dennis has 5 other salaried players in his band. Styx has at least 2 partners, plus Chuck and then Gowan (who I'm betting commands more than DDY's keyboardist), Ricky, and Suchermann. Oh, and by the way, they are also having to pay DDY a piece too from the 2001 settlement. So, if DDY brings in the same revenue as Styx and Styx has more costs to split up, then it goes to say that DDY is making more PROFIT per show than Styx.....Yes, DDY has fewer shows, but maybe he doesn't need to tour as much to make the same income as JY and Shaw....

You have yet to cough up any real data. Let me be more specific, data such as NET PROFIT. You haven't put forth any REAL data as to what each of their actual overhead is. You can't because I doubt very much that any of the data I am referring to is published publicly. So since you haven't been able to do that, your just speculating on only one single piece of information. If I am wrong about any of these points then put forth the full FACTS such as NET PROFIT numbers.

[Boomchild]

He is saying he got screwed out of a name in which 75% of the value is attributed to him. He should get the name, not two hangers on.

Good lord. Even Dennis did\doesn't think the Styx brand should be exclusive to just him. He has publicly stated many, many times that Styx wouldn't have been what it was without the contributions from ALL the members. So now where supposed to take the word from a person that was not directly involved. Oh please. When Dennis brought his law suit he wasn't even attempting to gain sole ownership of the Styx trademark. Had he been, he wouldn't have settled out of court. He sued based on the assertion that the other members of the group violated the terms of an agreement they signed. Meaning that band decisions had to be agreed upon by all members. In addition, he was objecting to the use of his image to promote the band after he was fired. That is the reality. You or I may not like the way things went down. It doesn't matter. There's no "do over". It seems all of them have moved on. So if you are true DDY fan then I think DDY would tell you get a life and move on. If DDY took on the attitude that you present here then he would most likely be a miserable person and his career would be a distant memory.

[Monker]

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Wrong again asswipe!

You really should stop making such ridiculous statements.

Drac's post could lead people to believe I said such ignorant things like, "Because he was a victim. He got totally screwed over" and "But DDY pays his band nothing and keeps all the profits himself." Those are direct quotes from the post Drac replied to - YOUR POST.

And, I know Drac did not do that inentionaly or anything...not THAT big of a deal to me.

And yet you take the time to reply...

Well, yeah, because I don't want people to read Drac's post and attribute your insane words to me.

[Monker]

And you aren't reading for comprehension. You and your good buddy Monker said that my post was incorrect that DDY makes more per show than Styx.

That is a boldfaced lie. Go back in this thread and YOU learn how to comprehend what you read. I said absolutely NO SUCH THING. I said it didn't matter...I don't care.

So, simple math (again, not sure if you can calculate, so I'll talk slowly...) Dennis makes X. Styx makes X. Dennis has 5 other salaried players in his band. Styx has at least 2 partners, plus Chuck and then Gowan (who I'm betting commands more than DDY's keyboardist), Ricky, and Suchermann.

My God, you are just making shit up. You don't know for certain how any of the players are paid. Why do you even care about such things? Is it THAT important to you that DDY have some advantage over Styx that you feel obligated to invent scenerios on how the various member of each band are paid? You are completely loopy.

Oh, and by the way, they are also having to pay DDY a piece too from the 2001 settlement.

PROVE IT. Often these things have a time limit. You have no idea if that is still true. I doubt you even know for absolute certainty that it was true in the begining. The only way you know these things for certain is if you have a copy of the settlement...and I doubt VERY much that you have that.

So, if DDY brings in the same revenue as Styx and Styx has more costs to split up, then it goes to say that DDY is making more PROFIT per show than Styx.....Yes, DDY has fewer shows, but maybe he doesn't need to tour as much to make the same income as JY and Shaw....

And, maybe DDY books shows on the lower side of that range, and Styx books shows on the higher end. Maybe nobody but Tommy in Styx gets paid. Maybe Chuck pays JY and Tommy so he can say he is still part of the band. Maybe you pay Dennis $250,000 per show just to ensure you are right. Maybe Dennis went to the crossroads and sold his soul to Yogi to ensure that he would die the most generously paid keyboardist who ever lived.

Who cares about your insane speculation.

[Monker]

Look dude, you're who is claiming that DDY is making himself out to be the victim.

And, YOU are the one who said that he IS a victim. I mean seriously, go see a therapist about this.

All I said is that he's making out all the way to the bank.

I don't need to hear about his personal life with Suzanne, you pervert.

He's not playing victim here. He is saying he got screwed out of a name in which 75% of the value is attributed to him. He should get the name, not two hangers on.

First, I'm not going to go back and quote that interview and point out all of the "I'm such a victim" bits. It's all over it.

Who attributes %75 of the value of the Styx name to Dennis? You are just making shit up again.

It's just so sad that he's a victim and doesn't get the name. :,( Ah, poor Dennis. :',( Even you treat him like a victim. Cry out a river for him...he still won't get the name.

[DracIsBack]

Uh...can you count? The numbers are exactly the same.

Yes, this would be why I said "Similar ballpark, with Styx being higher. Which I would expect, given the name." But rather that posting my speculation as a fact in this area of the discussion, I thought I would share an interesting site that I found.

I'll let you guys get back to your pissing contest now.

[DracIsBack]

Dennis DeYoung Net worth: $25 Million

I always wondered how these guys came up with 'net worth'. I read it on occasion and can't imagine the celebrities share this. Given the volume, I wonder how much time they spend guestimating too.