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by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:02 am

Monker, you're right. I found this information on another site about the song - remember it's just someone's opinion:

"O.S.A. stands for Order of St. Augustine, so Father O.S.A. is probably about a priest or monk of that order. He is apparently still living in the past, and he is mocked by those around him as a result."

by **styxmike** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:00 am

Yogi, I think they may have got it wrong. I know styx2 and serpent were released in the same year, but 2 first. It wouldn't be the first mistake though , on the "renagade" jersey it has "est 1974" under the STYX, didn't styx change the name in 72??? even TS only joined in 76??

by **froy** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:50 am

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quote="yogi"]I didnt want to start a new ASSEMBLY LINE, and this one is being shown alot of love by all of us. I have a question I hope someone out there can answer. I was listening to Styx ll yesterday. On the song Father O.S.A. What does O.S. A. stand for? This may be a stupid question, but I dont have a clue as to the answer.

[/quote]

Funny thing Yogi I asked Dennis this exact question back stage in Vegas

It's Order of Saint Augustine
And I see SMB answered it already

by **classicstyxfan** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:44 am

Froy, I knew my faith in your knowledge of all things Dennis was well placed......to SMB and Monker, I am impressed, as I said I would be.

Now, for the FINAL JEPORDY challenge. Who has any aditional dirt on the lawsuit settlement between DDY and TS/JY, etc. that isnt already common knowledge ? we know Dennis can use
"Performing the music of" and that mud flinging is not allowed...

I'd be interested in any financials....if you know them THAT would be IMPRESSIVE !

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:46 am

Tommy Shaw became a member of Styx in 1975. He wrote "Crystal Ball" before he was a member of Styx and the album Crystal Ball was released in 1976.

I suppose no one here has any tour dates of Styx in 1974, 1975 and 1976. I have a few dates/cities from those years and a couple of the bands they played with.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:15 am

Classic, I don't think anyone is going to find any information on the lawsuit - sorry. I would think all parties involved cannot talk about it or would want to talk about it. I'm sure most Styx fans are curious.

by **classicstyxfan** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:27 am

Madame,

it's the holy grail of Styx gossip, and I agree we'll probably never know the answer.

But I really want to know if Dennis gets a percentage of the Gross
whenever the boys go out and play using the Name Styx....after all , he was a "part owner" , and spent his life building the brand name.....there just has to be some money flowing his way when they play, doesn't there ? I'm dying to know just how much that settlement was, and if it was lump sum, or if he continues to draw checks every tour from them....

that info would also go a long ways towards knowing if there will ever be a reconciliation, I think.

talk amongst yourselves.........

by **ek88** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:39 pm

whenever the boys go out and play using the Name Styx....after all , he was a "part owner" , and spent his life building the brand name.....there just has to be some money flowing his way when they play, doesn't there ?

classic,
I just can't fathom Dennis not getting any kind of cut from all the touring. Personal issues aside, JY and Tommy have to realize that Dennis is a big part of the reason they are even able to tour as Styx. Even if Dennis gets some of the money, JY and Tommy stand to make out much better than they would without the Styx name. Even though I don't miss Dennis much from a musical standpoint, I could never downplay or neglect to acknowledge his past contributions and his importance in the history of Styx. I would be very disappointed to find out that he is not getting a percentage of the revenue the new Styx is generating.

by **yogi** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:56 pm

The only fairly similar situation I know of to this, is with Rik Emmett and Triumph. I read an article about their group some years ago. It was printed a few years after the band had broken up. They went to court for use of the Triumph name , catalog sales, future releases etc... To the best of my knowledge, Rik got some up front cash(payoff), but Gil Moore and Mike Levine got the Triumph name, the catalog sales and like everything else. Needless to say Rik was NOT happy at all with the decision, and his ex band mates. I have NO clue how something like this works, but I know I read about this with Triumph. If the situation with Dennis and Styx is anywhere close to this I dont see how they will ever speak to one another again. I just remember reading how TOTALLY bitter Rik was about the entire thing.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:53 am

Yogi, that is what I suspect too....if Dennis got the deal Rik got, he'll be the bitter one, and if the boys accountant is cutting Dennis checks on a regular basis, they'll be bitter.

either way, it's not good for those wishing for a reconciliation.

I may start a new assembly line asking people to weigh in on what would have been a fair settlement, the debate could be quite lively, I think.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:01 am

This is TOTALLY OFF TOPIC but has a little info on the the royalities. This is about Rik Emmett and Triumph. I enjoy Rik's solo work too and I'm a Triumph fan

I recently received the DVD. Anyway.......

Bummer, I can't find his personal comments on the break up of Triumph. I remember he said that the other members of the group had a storage area and Rik wasn't even allowed to pick up his equipment and other things. Triumph's break up was one of the worse as bands are concerned. You have to remember, the 3 didn't grow up together and start out when they were childhood friends. (I remember seeing Mike Levine on Wheel of Fortune a couple of years ago).

Here is one quote from a newspaper (1999) on how he feels about a reunion:

After Triumph broke up messily in 1988, Emmett, bassist Mike Levine and drummer Gil Moore fought legal battles with each other for months. They don't talk anymore.
For that reason, Emmett says a Triumph reunion tour "ain't gonna happen.
"Band reunions happen for either nostalgia or money," he said. "I don't have a very nostalgic feeling for that situation, and I don't see how the money could replace the fun I'm having doing things on my own."

Here's another one:

The move to a 3 way credit split was my bright idea, to keep the other fellows happy that I was writing the stuff that was becoming popular, and I didn't want ego problems, or business stuff to become huge issues, as they managed the business affairs of the group. Didn't work......the drummer still wanted to write hits that he could be the lead singer of, and the tensions that arose out of creative vs. business stuff just killed my sense of what the band was supposed to be
<RikEmmett> about. So I split, and went through several years of legal crapola, only to never see a penny of the publishing dough from Triumphsongs, ....... I still get my share of writer's royalties, but the songwriting split thing was a large disappointment to me. For eg, my former partners still get 2 thirds of classical guitar instrumental royalties.

by **piecesofeight** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:27 am

ek88 wrote:
whenever the boys go out and play using the Name Styx....after all , he was a "part owner" , and spent his life building the brand name.....there just has to be some money flowing his way when they play, doesn't there ?

classic,
I just can't fathom Dennis not getting any kind of cut from all the touring. Personal issues aside, JY and Tommy have to realize that Dennis is a big part of the reason they are even able to tour as Styx. Even if Dennis gets some of the money, JY and Tommy stand to make out much better than they would without the Styx name. Even though I don't miss Dennis much from a musical standpoint, I could never downplay or neglect to acknowledge his past contributions and his importance in the history of Styx. I would be very disappointed to find out that he is not getting a percentage of the revenue the new Styx is generating.

You are on the correct track about the royalties, but I was surprised to hear you say you don't miss Dennis. Anyway, Dennis does at least get royalties whenever they play any of his songs, PLUS, the Styx cd's with Dennis, at least the early one's and greatest hits :wink:

, have gotten spikes in sales after the new lineup toured. So Dennis is making on in rolyalties that way to so to speak from the touring now.
If you were a part of creating something that is being used in anything, you get royalties from it, UNLESS you DIDN'T/WEREN'T the creator of it and the one who owns it does something with it on their own, such as remaking it.....
Some get screwed on early deals, such as Aerosmith. Their former business managers get 50% every time aerosmith plays a song in concert.
I guarantee you that every time Styx plays one of Dennis' songs, he is getting royalties for it.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:06 am

But what of the use of the name Styx.....does Dennis get a percent of the box office whenever they perform as Styx ?

I'm thinking if I were a lawyer filing a suit for Dennis to stop the others from using the name, and there was a settlement proposal ( especially one in which my client can not use the name ) I'd advise my client not to settle unless he is given a VERY NICE, SUBSTANTIAL lump sum.......in essence selling the rights to use the name to the others, OR, I'd hold out for a percentage of the gross whenever they do use the name.

I'm sure the Lawyer got a percentage of the settlement money, so I suspect some hardball tactics were employed.

by **ek88** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:04 pm

I was surprised to hear you say you don't miss Dennis.

I probably should have said from a recent songwriting standpoint. I consider DDY a far superior vocalist to Gowan and would rather see Dennis tour with the boys any day of the week. And while I certainly haven't been blown away by what little of Gowan's songwriting I've heard thus far, I do prefer it to all post-1980 DeYoung material. I also think Styx with Gowan resulted in a more cohesive album in Cyclorama. Having said that, Gowan can't even hold a candle to songs like Pieces Of Eight, Grand Illusion, or Come Sail Away, and never will. I will always miss the unique sound and cohesiveness that Dennis brought to the music of Styx, but I was already missing that long before he was kicked out of the band.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:20 am

ek...........how can you not believe Gowan to be the superior voclist to Dennis ??? C'mon now, GOWAN ranks right up there with all of the other vocal Greats......Ringo Starr......Bob Dylan......Right Said Fred.......... Keith Richards ( or was that Keith Moon ? or Keith Partridge ????.......)

Dennis cant be compared to any of these all time great crooners, can he ?

by **yogi** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:51 am

Get off of Gowan. The man can sing!!! It's a little known fact Gowan was the lead singer in a famous rock group before he went solo. Can you name the group?, a clue is that he got plenty of TV exposure on a highly rated show. You are having to use your lifelines........ Phone a friend.......................................................................................

Lawerence Gowan was the lead singer of.................. The Wayouts!!!
he even played himself, accent and all on The Flintstones.

by **froy** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:11 am

yogi wrote:Get off of Gowan. The man can sing!!!

The man is a copycat who is holding up the classic Styx lineup.
It's time to come down hard on this goof and time to tell him to step aside.
We don't appreciate him copying our man Dennis Deyoung.

It's a little known fact

Your right he is allitle know fact .

Gowan was the lead singer in a famous rock group before he went solo.

Fine go back to that famous group and reunite
STOP LEECHING OFF OF MY BAND.

Can you name the group?,

THe Hooters .

Lawerence Gowan was the lead singer of.................. The Wayouts!!!

It's time for him to get out wayout
Go back to Bedrock .

by **ek88** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:27 am

THe Hooters .

Hey, I kind of liked the Hooters. All You Zombies was a pretty cool track. And We Danced wasn't bad either. I'd have to say I prefer their lead singer to Gowan . . . maybe Styx could call and see what he's up to, haven't heard much from the Hooters lately

by **classicstyxfan** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:20 am

Instead of the guy from the Hooters, what the hell, why not call hooterville.....while the original Arnold Ziffle was probably served up as bacon in somebodys breakfast years ago, I am sure he has some descendents, whose squeals could give Gowan a run for his money !

Grrrrrrreeen Acres is the place to be.....

MR

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