Walrus Questions

[bugsymalone]

Where is the information that provides the proof that the Styx version of “I Am the Walrus” is a hit?
The only music list I see it on is Mediabase, and while it occupies the 4th slot on Currents, it is dropping weekly in number of spins.

How did it sell on iTunes?

Do those of you who support it see it launching an entire CD recording of covers?

Inquiring minds want to know. No. I really do.

On a related note: The Walrus video got its first airing on VH1 Classic’s Classic/Current segment of the day on 1/10. It was paired with “Rockin’ the Paradise”. Big mistake.
I don’t think people need to be reminded of the voice Gowan replaced.
From now on, I think they need to steer clear of pairing it with anything that Dennis sang. JMHO.

Bugsy

[sadie65]

Where is the information that provides the proof that the Styx version of “I Am the Walrus” is a hit?
The only music list I see it on is Mediabase, and while it occupies the 4th slot on Currents, it is dropping weekly in number of spins.

How did it sell on iTunes?

Do those of you who support it see it launching an entire CD recording of covers?

Inquiring minds want to know. No. I really do.

On a related note: The Walrus video got its first airing on VH1 Classic’s Classic/Current segment of the day on 1/10. It was paired with “Rockin’ the Paradise”. Big mistake.
I don’t think people need to be reminded of the voice Gowan replaced.
From now on, I think they need to steer clear of pairing it with anything that Dennis sang. JMHO.

Bugsy

I don't know how it sold/is selling on iTunes. I did find one other chart for it

http://www.endangeredcds.com/custom.html1.html

Based on this chart ONLY, the song is neither failing nor succeeding. But hey, they are charting somewhere.

As for whether or not this song should be the impetus for a whole cd of covers, not my call. Apparently somebody believes it is.

Sadie

[Ash]

After it first came out, I saw the song at #24 on iTunes. This is not #24 overall, but rather just in the "rock" category. I never saw the song crack the top 100 of the overall music category.

two days later I saw it a #26.

The next time I checked, it was gone.

[Adam]

Here's how it works: An act releases a song (or video or something) and to capitalize on any activity, they & their label publicized & promotes the positive activity.

One radio station decided to play a forgotten Styx track off an earlier flop album of theirs, over & over. The management, publicist and, I'm sure, band members, did alot of announcing the song was a "hit" before most people HEARD it. The song, ofcourse, was "Lady".

Look in the movie section of your newspaper. The big film ads usually include positive reviews in a giant font. Many of these are taken out of context, or from unheard of sources, but they seem to herald the same general idea: "THIS FILM IS A HIT!"

Every product needs a story. Watch the interviews of actors on late-night TV. They are hawking their newest film. They gotta say something about it to make you wanna see it or at least to raise awareness of the product so they talk about how great it is, how well it's being received, etc.

Promotionally speaking, products are almost always referred to as hits. Exagerated announcements (like "It's a hit") is a standard campaigning strategy. Sometimes the prophecy is self-fulfilled. John Kerry was introduced "The next President of the United States...). Sometimes it isn't.

Conversely, check out this week's Hot 100. Check out the Top 10 even. YOU'RE a music-minded person, who goes online to chat about pop music. How many of those songs do you RECOGNIZE?

[froy]

After it first came out, I saw the song at #24 on iTunes. This is not #24 overall, but rather just in the "rock" category. I never saw the song crack the top 100 of the overall music category.

two days later I saw it a #26.

The next time I checked, it was gone.[/quote

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And the same thing is going to happen with the new cover cd
expect its going to tank much faster unless they redue Hey Jude,
The only reason Walrus did anything is because it was a Beatles song
Styx had nothing to do with getting it on the radio for a week
The Beatles did
This new cd is a total waste of time

[gr8dane]

After it first came out, I saw the song at #24 on iTunes. This is not #24 overall, but rather just in the "rock" category. I never saw the song crack the top 100 of the overall music category.

two days later I saw it a #26.

The next time I checked, it was gone.[/quote

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And the same thing is going to happen with the new cover cd
expect its going to tank much faster unless they redue Hey Jude,
The only reason Walrus did anything is because it was a Beatles song
Styx had nothing to do with getting it on the radio for a week
The Beatles did
This new cd is a total waste of time

Seems like froy's got a lot of time to waste.

[styxfanNH]

Bugsy,

Although I have read where Tommy quotes that Mediabase list fairly often after they released it, I have also read it from other sites. It's not the top 40, but my understanding is that it is a reputable list from what I have read.

I also saw it in the mid 20's of sales on iTunes right after it debuted.

We do know that there was an original plan to release an EP of the 2120 stuff before Walrus came to be. This covers cd is really an extension of that planned EP because of the success of Walrus and the word is that it was at the request of the label. The label felt if it was going to push the EP, that they might as well push a full album. Covers makes it a quick record in the studio and doesn't take the creative writing part of the process.

For me I don't care what song they show with Walrus. I am just glad they made a video and it gets some exposure. This is also because I truly believe that they missed the boat by not making some kind of video for the Cyclorama songs. I also don't believe that the casual fan recognizes the difference in concert. (Note I said casula fan).

It is a bit ironic that as some in here sit saying that Dennis should be remembered as the voice of Styx, that you are saying they should retire his songs and the video footage of the songs. Maybe Styx should just rerecord all of DDY's songs and remove his vocal talent from the band (Tongue planted firmly in cheek). Why is it not possible to accept all verions of Styx and be happy for the contributions and input that Dennis had on this band?

[bugsymalone]

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It is a bit ironic that as some in here sit saying that Dennis should be remembered as the voice of Styx, that you are saying they should retire his songs and the video footage of the songs

Oh no. I am not saying that at all. The videos on VH1 Classic are what they are. My point was I didn't think it was a good idea to pair a vocal performance from Dennis with this Walrus video.

To restate what I have said many times before, probably overstated, I would like for them to take Dennis' songs out of their CURRENT live performances. His performance in the past with them should be honored, promoted, and included in any compilations, restrospectives, whatever.

As to the other points made. I really was asking out of curiousity. I wondered how the single was doing and if fans of this lineup feel it would be a springboard for a successful release of a covers CD.

I do not have a thing against this current lineup doing a covers CD. Not a problem for me. Honestly. I might even listen to it if the opportunity arises.

This band still calls themselves Styx so I am interested in its future and any success, or failure, it may have under the name.

I respect everyone's opinion about the various incarnations of Styx over the years. I may not agree with some of them, as you all know, especially about Gowan and Gowan's voice, but that is just me.

So my questions about IATW were asked in all sincerity and I appreciate the input from those who responded.


Bugsy

[DarrenUK]

Styx should remove Dennis songs from the set list ?
Did Styx remove Tommy,s from the EOTC tour ?....I would not know as they never played here but i bet they still done Renegade, Fooling Yourself etc.
And should Journey pull any songs credited to Steve Perry from their set?.....if they pulled songs written/co written by Perry they would not have much material to play live.

Both Dennis and Tommy have always said that even tho lyrics of a song is attributed to an individual, the process of song arrangement was a collective collaberation.

If so Dennis can still do Castle Walls live but Tommy,s guitar solo needs to be removed and changed with a different melody.

I wonder if Queen will remove Freddie,s songs in their upcoming tour as a mark of respect ? I can confidently say the answer to that is NO.

I agree that any DDY song released on a live Cd should result in DDY getting a fair share of the royalties but every member of Styx played on every song and was just as instrumental in bringing us the finished product as the songwriter. Tommy and JY,s influence on Suite Madam Blue just like DDY,s contribution to Fooling Yourself with the keyboard melody.

[froy]

Styx should remove Dennis songs from the set list ?
Did Styx remove Tommy,s from the EOTC tour ?....

No let them do Dennis songs they can show everyone just how bad Gowan is and they can say Gee this guy is horrible I hope they get Dennis back Just like they did when Burtnick did Shaw songs back in 91

I wonder if Queen will remove Freddie,s songs in their upcoming tour as a mark of respect ? I can confidently say the answer to that is NO.

Why would they Freddie passed away
They will do his songs as a sign of respect,