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[froy]

Ime just glad they are playing the UK something DDY prevented them doing for 23 years.........at least the band are now not dictated as to where they play by the keyboard players wife......what ever Suzanne wanted Suzanne got.......just because she hated being away from home for long periods hence the band had to stay within a few hours of Chicago.
Why do you think Styx never played Europe and Japan between 1981 and 2000 ?

Funny you babble on and on blame it all on Dennis when he just announces a date in Mexico
Not really close to chicago is it
Styx was not popular in Europe so it may not have made sence to go there, I hope you enjoy whats left of Styx .

[sadie65]

Ime just glad they are playing the UK something DDY prevented them doing for 23 years.........at least the band are now not dictated as to where they play by the keyboard players wife......what ever Suzanne wanted Suzanne got.......just because she hated being away from home for long periods hence the band had to stay within a few hours of Chicago.
Why do you think Styx never played Europe and Japan between 1981 and 2000 ?

Answer Dennis DeYoung and his wife....there can be no other reason as light sensitivity ws not invented back then.
Lets see if DDY cares about Styx fans in Europe and Japan we can tell how much he cares when he announces his European dates.......anyone know the European dates of his tour yet ????? as i like others want to purchase a ticket....as soon as anybody knows them please post them especially the London show.....WOW...just heard Dennis,s European tour dates they are listed below...........

Okay, that's like the fifth time you've brought this up. Let's talk time line here...

1981...Styx finishes Paradise Theater tour. Head home. Take some time off befor Kilroy is recorded and released.

1983...Kilroy Was Here is released. Band has to wait to go on tour because Tommy Shaw injures his hand.

1983-Early 84,... Tour ends. Band takes hiatus.

1990...Band reforms without Tommy (and yes I know why Tommy wasn't there)

1991...record company drops Styx, band disbands again

1995...Band re-records Lady for Greatest Hits cd.

1996...Return to Paradise tour, band not expected to do well, does surprisingly well. Second tour planned.

1997...Return to Grand Illusion tour...very short, not received well.

1998...band starts recording Brave New World...health issues, old squabbles, etc. cause friction in band.

1999...Dennis wants 6 months, band says no, starts tour without him

Please note, I am trying to point out time line here, no sides.

So where in there is it Dennis' or his wife's decision to not tour. The band wasn't together all that much in the time period you named?

I'm sure Dennis probably didn't want to tour Europe all that much (no offense). And I'm sure it ticked off you and many other fans. But I know I have more respect for someone in the entertainment industry for wanting to be a part of raising their kids themselves, than for someone who pawns off that responsibility to others so they can be gone for months at a time. It's a values thing. Not saying it's wrong for those that do, but I like the fact he chose to be more involved with his family.

[styxfanNH]

Someone help me out with this.

How is it Dennis' fault that Styx did not tour Europe/England? I may have missed something somewhere.

It is a puzzle to me why STYX didn't tour Europe/England in their hey day. We all knew Tommy had, had enuff of Kilroy. But he did stay until the final date of the US shows. I would have to guess that if the tour was already scheduled, he would have stuck around for another 8 weeks.

And I am most confused about how any of this is Suzanne's fault. Those that are involved in this industry know the touring drill.

Just some questions.

[DarrenUK]

You say Dennis was right to put his family before Styx, if thats the case the DDY back in Styx arguament has no credibility.
If DDY was back and the manager said OK folks the classic line up is back together we are going on a world tour would Dennis agree to this ?.....now answer fairly...if you are like me and think the answer would be no then thats one ,member dictating to the other 4 where and when they should play and a huge kick in the teeth for fans like me who have bought everything they have released and spent hundreds of $$$$ to travel to Germany and Florida (DDY in April) to see them.
I have no problem DDY wanting to spend his time with his family, good luck to him but let the other guys tour and play to ALL their fans not just ones who carry an American accent.

[bugsymalone]

But I know I have more respect for someone in the entertainment industry for wanting to be a part of raising their kids themselves, than for someone who pawns off that responsibility to others so they can be gone for months at a time. It's a values thing. Not saying it's wrong for those that do, but I like the fact he chose to be more involved with his family.

Right on, Sadie.

This was a constant battle Dennis fought -- with his band, with his managers, with the fans and with the "rock press" and, more importantly, with himself -- The Family Man verses Rock Star.

His decision to try to be a good husband and a good father was often met with derision and disbelief.

I know those decisions he made slowed the tour rate of Styx along with the band divisions that rose up around the time of KWH.

Personally, I like the person Dennis was, and is now. Darren, he doesn't come down here to the South much either. I have gone long distances to see him, since I value his music so much. I will do it again.

He may not do a great quantity of shows, but the quality is worth the wait, and the travel to get there.
And if I do not get to see him in person, that is ok. He is doing it HIS way and doing it the RIGHT way in my book.

And on this thread goes, winding, ever winding......

Bugsy

[sadie65]

You say Dennis was right to put his family before Styx, if thats the case the DDY back in Styx arguament has no credibility.
If DDY was back and the manager said OK folks the classic line up is back together we are going on a world tour would Dennis agree to this ?.....now answer fairly...if you are like me and think the answer would be no then thats one ,member dictating to the other 4 where and when they should play and a huge kick in the teeth for fans like me who have bought everything they have released and spent hundreds of $$$$ to travel to Germany and Florida (DDY in April) to see them.
I have no problem DDY wanting to spend his time with his family, good luck to him but let the other guys tour and play to ALL their fans not just ones who carry an American accent.

Okay, so basically you are supposing that this would be the case. You haven't explained why you think Dennis was responsible for them not touring Europe after 1981. I gave you a timeline.

To answer, I have always said I don't want Dennis back in Styx for a whole lot of reasons, most notably, that it would be a bad fit these days, and no one should have to put up with it.

And while I don't want him back in the band, if that were to happen (highly unlikely)things might be different. His children are grown. World tours can be handled differently than before.

So again, how was it Dennis' fault (or Suzanne's for that matter) that they didn't tour Europe?

Peace,

Sadie (who is happy that you get to enjoy the band on home soil, and does appreciate that you are choosing to spend hard earned money to come here to see Dennis)

[DarrenUK]

DDY not in Styx = They play Europe & Japan
DDY in Styx = They go nowhere near Europe & Japan

If DDY was not the reason for this then I await Dennis,s European tour with great anticipation......

Wonder if he will start this tour in the UK or will he play Germany first ?

[froy]

DDY not in Styx = They play Europe & Japan
DDY in Styx = They go nowhere near Europe & Japan

If DDY was not the reason for this then I await Dennis,s European tour with great anticipation......

Wonder if he will start this tour in the UK or will he play Germany first ?

Time to Move

[sadie65]

DDY not in Styx = They play Europe & Japan
DDY in Styx = They go nowhere near Europe & Japan

If DDY was not the reason for this then I await Dennis,s European tour with great anticipation......

Wonder if he will start this tour in the UK or will he play Germany first ?

Did you even read my post? They weren't together for the majority of the time. And when they were they were testing to see if they still had an audience.

Tours are expensive to mount. And let's remember that other members of the band contributed to when they started and when they stopped.

I'm glad they are going to Europe, and I think it's great you are travelling to see Dennis. As for him touring Europe, well there is a name recognition issue as well. Why is that so hard to understand?

Enjoy and have a great time, and remember that it wasn't all about him that they didn't come back to Europe.

Peace,

Sadie

[classicstyxfan]

OK, this thread has already ( long ago in fact ) set a record for longest thread in the history of this particular board. I dont have the attention span to go back and count the number of topics addressed here, but I suspect it would surpass the number of fingers on my 2 hands......

Since we are on the cusp of reaching 10 pages, I humbly suggest that after we get there, ( and we will....) we then retire the thread entirely.....

Unless the rest of you remember the entire conversation on pages 1-8 and think it's still relevant. If so, I worry about you !

[bugsymalone]

I second Classic's suggestion. (Did that get us to page 10??)

Bugsy

[DarrenUK]

thread closed as far as ime concerned.

Lets just agree to differ on this...

I love Dennis,s music Paradise Theater and prior and his music he wrote from Styx 1 to Paradise Theater will always live in my heart.
During that period DDY was the best songwriter and singer in the band, and I have no hesitation in saying that.

I have carried out two big interviews with Tommy the last one being just after the release of BNW and I am looking into the possibility of doing another interview with him for this site.