DENNIS NEVER AGAIN?????

[Adam]

Relationships aren't simple. Things are almost never black and white when it comes to people.

Think about the people you know well/have worked with a long time/family members. Can you say you love EVERYTHING about any ONE person? Can you say that you've never been offended by people very close to you?

If Shaw wants to publically hug DeYoung it's no big statement.

First, it's good showbiz - he wasn't doing it "backstage", they were embracing where it had the most effect. Did anyone watch the Grammies? You think all those egos actually get along with each other like they wanted it to look last night?

Second, my guess is that Shaw & DeYoung are like an old marriage, who had kids (the hits). They separated in the early 90's, reunited in the mid 90's and are divorced now. They try not to say too much about how much they irk - even hate - each other, but sometimes theyre better at that than others. It's clear to me DeYoung drove Shaw, JY, Chuck & Burtnick nuts. And perhaps DeYoung might've felt he was dragging the others along at times, that HE was the cause of the success. In any case, Shaw was commenting on how much behind the scenes difficulty there was, and where he feels they're at now.

(Tell you what: I don't believe Shaw about how "happy" things are presently. Life is never so simple. Shaw likes to paint the happy-go-lucky picture, and why wouldn't he? HE'S PROMOTING A PRODUCT! Meanwhile, what happened to Glen? If things were so hunky dory, how come there is the constant presence of SOME wives on the road while others are missing? I don't think all is simply happy and fair in Styxworld, I just think Shaw & JY are finally getting their way - unlike when DeYoung was the leader.)

BUT WHO CARES???? It's their JOB - it's show biz! You think the members of YES love each other because they appear on stage together? They've all sued each other (repeatedly) and rarely play their BIGGEST HIT (Owner Of A Lonely Heart) - most likely because Steve Howe wasn't in the band when that was made (the guitar solo is very un-Howe).

[kansas666]

I think it painted Dennis in a less than flattering light. Some of that, deservedly so. But it's pointless to go over this now.

Pointless?? I thought that's what this whole board was about

See ya tonight in Milwaukee.

[sadie65]

I think it painted Dennis in a less than flattering light. Some of that, deservedly so. But it's pointless to go over this now.

Pointless?? I thought that's what this whole board was about

See ya tonight in Milwaukee.

Well I wish I was going to Milwaukee, but I have to wait until Green Bay. Have a great time tonight!

Sadie

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Dave, I'll be there. What table are you at? I know you're in the row in front of me. I've seen your picture on your website, I'll be looking for you, yes, that's warning - Mah ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Monker]

[b]
Personally, one of the things I cherish about this band is that these guys even bother to share anything personal with their fans. Some people look forward to reading Tommy's notes, just as some like reading "Dear Glens and Dear Todds." These guys don't have to be bothered communicating with their fans at all. Why try to silence them? It's not like he said, "6 years ago, the wart-hog faced buffoon was keeping us from moving forward, so we kicked his sorry ass to the curb, and now everything's groovy." All he said was that upon reflection, what was a difficult, if not impossible situation, has grown into a prosperous and joyful experience for everyone.
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Exactly. I'd rather read Tommy's notes then some cut, pasted, over-edited, and repetitive interview. It's just his thoughts for the day. To make it anything more is missing the point of why he writes it in the first place.

[Liz22562]

Well said, Zan and Monker. You both articulated so well what I couldn't!

[Ash]

To an extent I agree with Monker and Zan.... but after a few years is it really necessary to dish out the dirty laundry? It's not going to win people over to your point of view and will only really serve to be more divisive. And to some of us who after 6 years are finaly coming to terms with what happened (like me) this seems like a needless re-opening of old wounds that we could have done without.

Thats just my opinion... it's not a judgement.

Also Monker - going to see Corey Taylor and the rest of your hometown boys in Atlanta on the 19th... should be fun.

[Zan]

To an extent I agree with Monker and Zan.... but after a few years is it really necessary to dish out the dirty laundry? It's not going to win people over to your point of view and will only really serve to be more divisive.

Had Tommy spouted off about specifics and who did what to whom, and all the bitter, nasty details, then THAT to me is dirty laundry. However, I always thought the general problems Styx was having at that time was common knowledge. I do understand your point. Why does he even need to remind us that anything ever happened? Why can't we all just sweep it under the rug and never acknowledge it again (well, except with each other, over & over & over on message boards, that is)?

The answer seems fairly simple to me: Because it did happen, and it had a profound effect on the band and its fans that would change things forever. That has bound to merit some reflecting once in awhile. And again, it brings me back to being grateful that Tommy is willing to share his introspect with us.

[sadie65]

To an extent I agree with Monker and Zan.... but after a few years is it really necessary to dish out the dirty laundry? It's not going to win people over to your point of view and will only really serve to be more divisive.

Had Tommy spouted off about specifics and who did what to whom, and all the bitter, nasty details, then THAT to me is dirty laundry. However, I always thought the general problems Styx was having at that time was common knowledge. I do understand your point. Why does he even need to remind us that anything ever happened? Why can't we all just sweep it under the rug and never acknowledge it again (well, except with each other, over & over & over on message boards, that is)?

The answer seems fairly simple to me: Because it did happen, and it had a profound effect on the band and its fans that would change things forever. That has bound to merit some reflecting once in awhile. And again, it brings me back to being grateful that Tommy is willing to share his introspect with us.

Which is why people in general, not just message boards talk about it. It did have an effect on them. To think that people should stop talking about it because you or anyone else has read it over and over again is not fair to them. Emotional attachments to band and how they handle things is a part of life. People as a rule talk and discuss events around them. Add the emotional part into the mix, and it's bound to bring up the conversation again.

Peace,
Sadie

[Zan]

Which is why people in general, not just message boards talk about it. It did have an effect on them. To think that people should stop talking about it because you or anyone else has read it over and over again is not fair to them. Emotional attachments to band and how they handle things is a part of life. People as a rule talk and discuss events around them. Add the emotional part into the mix, and it's bound to bring up the conversation again.

Right, and it's often the people who are discussing it over & over again who are saying that Tommy and others should "shut up and sing," which was what I was addressing in the first place (Not speaking directly to the person who used that exact phrase in this thread, but as a rule in general) It's a little hypocritical.

Of course everyone's entitled to deal with the "trauma" in their own way. I guess just like real life, some people have a better capacity to handle reality than other people.[/b]

[sadie65]

Which is why people in general, not just message boards talk about it. It did have an effect on them. To think that people should stop talking about it because you or anyone else has read it over and over again is not fair to them. Emotional attachments to band and how they handle things is a part of life. People as a rule talk and discuss events around them. Add the emotional part into the mix, and it's bound to bring up the conversation again.

Right, and it's often the people who are discussing it over & over again who are saying that Tommy and others should "shut up and sing," which was what I was addressing in the first place (Not speaking directly to the person who used that exact phrase in this thread, but as a rule in general) It's a little hypocritical.

Of course everyone's entitled to deal with the "trauma" in their own way. I guess just like real life, some people have a better capacity to handle reality than other people.[/b]

And I think it's safe to say that whenever Dennis makes a comment or commentary that those who like the current lineup dislike, the fans react the same way. It isn't limited to just those who favor Dennis. Hypocrasy abounds with the band and its fan. Just like in real life.

How people "handle" it is subjective at best.

Peace,

Sadie

[Zan]

And I think it's safe to say that whenever Dennis makes a comment or commentary that those who like the current lineup dislike, the fans react the same way. It isn't limited to just those who favor Dennis. Hypocrasy abounds with the band and its fan. Just like in real life.

How people "handle" it is subjective at best.

I will give you that there have been some unwarranted, nasty things said about Dennis DeYoung too. To me, anyone who starts throwing punches is the party responsible for the brawl.

Back to the topic at hand - Nothing Tommy said in this note slammed anyone. He was reflecting on the band's recent history, nothing more. If people want to read more into it, more power to them. I'll give you the subjective part. It's all about perspectives, for sure. But if someone's harboring a resentment over a rock band, then I consider that to be unhealthy. That's MY perspective.

[yogi]

My comment was if all the bad feelings were hapening again at the end of 'The Grand Illusion ll' tour why would Tommy solict Dennis's help to promote Seven Deadly Zens?

If I dont like someone, and I dont have to be around them, why would I invite that same person to be around me??

[Zan]

My comment was if all the bad feelings were hapening again at the end of 'The Grand Illusion ll' tour why would Tommy solict Dennis's help to promote Seven Deadly Zens?

If I dont like someone, and I dont have to be around them, why would I invite that same person to be around me??

My opinion is that Tommy and Dennis can be very sentimental people. Maybe they both hated the idea of bad blood, so they extended olive branches from time to time. Maybe they hugged because it's almost impossible to spend as many years (and essentially grow up together) with someone and not feel some connection.

[Monker]

My comment was if all the bad feelings were hapening again at the end of 'The Grand Illusion ll' tour why would Tommy solict Dennis's help to promote Seven Deadly Zens?

If I dont like someone, and I dont have to be around them, why would I invite that same person to be around me??

My opinion is that Tommy and Dennis can be very sentimental people. Maybe they both hated the idea of bad blood, so they extended olive branches from time to time. Maybe they hugged because it's almost impossible to spend as many years (and essentially grow up together) with someone and not feel some connection.

Or, maybe it was mutualy beneficial...Tommy gets some promotion, and Styx is shown in a bit of 'togetherniess' for an upcoming reunion album.

I don't see the big deal about this. It's like "Journey" showing up at the end of Perry's "Foolish Heart" video...even though there were arguments in the band and a lot of control issues with Perry...Was it hypocritical of any of the members of Journey to stand next Perry?

[yogi]

Styxworld

Why didnt Tommy just write: We never really liked the prick, but he was helping us make sooo much cash we couldnt fire him then.

We made some major cash off the Return To Paradise CD and tour. It was great then cause I was dating some high school chick, that was soon to become my wife, and I didnt have to hang around Dennis much. JY said he was driving everyone completely nuts then. I wasnt there so I couldnt tell you.

Jeanne had to go to summer school so she could graduate early during our next tour( Grand Illusion ll). JY was right Dennis was driving everyone crazy. I figured that was it between us at the end of the tour, but I wanted to see if he still had anything in him to help us.

I did the Borders tour and I tried to use his Chi Town influence to hype my sales. I didnt work, his star was dimming. When Dennis brought those shi t rotten songs to be recorded on Brave New World it was time to kick his fat ass out.

He just couldnt help us anymore.


TS

( Now you have the truth )

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker says:

I don't see the big deal about this. It's like "Journey" showing up at the end of Perry's "Foolish Heart" video...even though there were arguments in the band and a lot of control issues with Perry...Was it hypocritical of any of the members of Journey to stand next Perry?

Here we go with Journey & Steve Perry again.

[froy]

Tommy wrote some pretty harsh stuff today in his Styxworld comments. After reading what he wrote it would appear that Dennis will NEVER share a stage with Tommy and JY again.

Ill just give you one quote, and then you can go and read it for yourself. Talking about Brave New World Tommy wrote" it was at this low point that JY and I realized the only way to save the band was to break it up and rebuild it".

Why did Tommy choose to do this today?? After not even talking about the breakup for sooo long why did Tommy choose to bring the subject up again??

Let me ask you a simple question
Who owns the rights to Renegade and who gets paid royalties when its used in a commercial ?
Maybe now you know why Tommy blasted Dennis

[Monker]

Monker says:

I don't see the big deal about this. It's like "Journey" showing up at the end of Perry's "Foolish Heart" video...even though there were arguments in the band and a lot of control issues with Perry...Was it hypocritical of any of the members of Journey to stand next Perry?

Here we go with Journey & Steve Perry again.

Why not? It's exactly the same thing. And, since I know Yogi posts on the Journey, he'll get the comparison.

[styxfanNH]

or perhaps Tommy was comparing how well the current recording session was compared to the last one with Dennis. He finally felt this was the way he envisioned the band was to be and felt he had to say something.

It did give a slightly new fill in to what happened during the BNW sessions. BUt is really not anything that we didn't really know.

They are promoting a new album, and every album steps further away from classic styx and more to what he and jy wanted the band to be. He is trying to give the current lineup legitamacy as they reach out to new fans.

It's a pretty safe bet that they won't loose any of the current fans they have won over, other than yogi...

[froy]

or perhaps Tommy was comparing how well the current recording session was compared to the last one with Dennis. He finally felt this was the way he envisioned the band was to be and felt he had to say something.

He invisioned the band as copycatts?
And he's the leader of the band ?
Im sorry his vision is distorted
So he's happier now doing covers more than he was doing new music with Dennis. Im sorry again I disagree
What I see is Tom and Jim did not like Dennis's material on BNW and either did I but to just sand bag him out because of it shows just how low class of guys they are, If Dennis had huge hits on BNW they would have faked there way through. Not 2 guys with scruples if you ask me,

They are promoting a new album, and every album steps further away from classic styx and more to what he and jy wanted the band to be.

Thats just it who they hell are Jim and Tom to ruin classic Styx Im mean really cause the court papers say so .
Forget it this is one of my beefs with these goofs just destroy classic Styx and not care one bit , killing The Thing That I Loved thats for sure,

He is trying to give the current lineup legitamacy as they reach out to new fans.

Trying and trying and trying

It's a pretty safe bet that they will loose any of the current fans they have won over, other than yogi...

Dont forget ADAM

[styxfanNH]

that should have been
It's a pretty safe bet that they won't loose any of the current fans they have won over, other than yogi...


And Froy, you never disappoint.....you return with the standard reply....

[froy]

that should have been
It's a pretty safe bet that they won't loose any of the current fans they have won over, other than yogi...


And Froy, you never disappoint.....you return with the standard reply....

And you don't disappoint either
You can't even stick up for your own post .

[styxfanNH]

when I make a mistake I correct it. I corrected it for what I meant. And I brought it to everyone's attention.

Nothing wrong with that.

[froy]

when I make a mistake I correct it. I corrected it for what I meant. And I brought it to everyone's attention.

Nothing wrong with that.

Forget that Im talking about the entire post

[styxfanNH]

The note from Tommy sounds like it was in response to something he has either read or been asked lately.

But I would also say these two things may .....or may not....have something to do about it.

Dennis is reasserting himself into the concert scene and is stepping away from the orchestra concerts.

They have just finished recording this new album and the difficulty he felt they had in making other albums was vastly different on this one and for some reason he compared it to the way BNW was made. He has talked about the making of BNW before, just not in this way.

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or perhaps Tommy was comparing how well the current recording session was compared to the last one with Dennis. He finally felt this was the way he envisioned the band was to be and felt he had to say something.

It did give a slightly new fill in to what happened during the BNW sessions. BUt is really not anything that we didn't really know.

They are promoting a new album, and every album steps further away from classic styx and more to what he and jy wanted the band to be. He is trying to give the current lineup legitamacy as they reach out to new fans.

It's a pretty safe bet that they won't loose any of the current fans they have won over, other than yogi...

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Here are the two posts, where are the contradictions?

[froy]

The note from Tommy sounds like it was in response to something he has either read or been asked lately.

But I would also say these two things may .....or may not....have something to do about it.

Dennis is reasserting himself into the concert scene and is stepping away from the orchestra concerts.

They have just finished recording this new album and the difficulty he felt they had in making other albums was vastly different on this one and for some reason he compared it to the way BNW was made. He has talked about the making of BNW before, just not in this way.

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or perhaps Tommy was comparing how well the current recording session was compared to the last one with Dennis. He finally felt this was the way he envisioned the band was to be and felt he had to say something.

It did give a slightly new fill in to what happened during the BNW sessions. BUt is really not anything that we didn't really know.

They are promoting a new album, and every album steps further away from classic styx and more to what he and jy wanted the band to be. He is trying to give the current lineup legitamacy as they reach out to new fans.

It's a pretty safe bet that they won't loose any of the current fans they have won over, other than yogi...

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Here are the two posts, where are the contradictions?

Forget it
I never said you contradicted yourself
Lets move on .

[Zan]

Lets move on .

THERE'S a concept! LOL

[yogi]

They have NOT lost me as a fan in the least. Tommy just lost some of my respect for him not as a musician, but as a person.