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[yogi]

I was about start a new 'Assembly Line' wondering what the chances were of Dennis & Tommy joining Glen this Friday at Glens annual fundraising Christmas show????

Before I started my new Assembly Line I got on Styxworld to see what was planned on their concert schedule. They are scheduled to play 12-1 & 12-2 at the Lexor hotel in Vegas. No Tommy, Glen, Dennis reunion DAMN!!

After,for the hell of it I got to the Lexor website( which you can go to directly from Styxworld), clicked on Entertainment and was happy to read that ' the legendary rock band Styx will be performing, Lady, Mr. Roboto, Come Sail Away, and Babe along with their other hits Friday and Saturday.'

Pretty damn funny.

I guess plugging Too Much Time On My Hands, Fooling Yourself( the angry young man), Blue Collar Man & Miss America doesnt have the same bite or pack the same punch ticket sale wise as Lady, Roboto & Babe do.

And the meek, campy, whimpy songs shall lead................................

[rajah2165]

I was about start a new 'Assembly Line' wondering what the chances were of Dennis & Tommy joining Glen this Friday at Glens annual fundraising Christmas show????

Before I started my new Assembly Line I got on Styxworld to see what was planned on their concert schedule. They are scheduled to play 12-1 & 12-2 at the Lexor hotel in Vegas. No Tommy, Glen, Dennis reunion DAMN!!

After,for the hell of it I got to the Lexor website( which you can go to directly from Styxworld), clicked on Entertainment and was happy to read that ' the legendary rock band Styx will be performing, Lady, Mr. Roboto, Come Sail Away, and Babe along with their other hits Friday and Saturday.'

Pretty damn funny.

I guess plugging Too Much Time On My Hands, Fooling Yourself( the angry young man), Blue Collar Man & Miss America doesnt have the same bite or pack the same punch ticket sale wise as Lady, Roboto & Babe do.

And the meek, campy, whimpy songs shall lead................................

Remember, the current line-up only acknowledges that those songs even exist when it helps to sell tickets....

Those poor suckers who buy tickets based on that description are going to be taken for a ride...

[DarrenUK]

I WISH THOSE SONGS NEVER EXISTED APART FROM lADY ....

[Zan]

Styx has a show in Vegas the same night, Yogi. As far as Dennis goes, anything's possible. I'll have to let you know.

[DarrenUK]

Oh and CSA but i think most people who go and see current Styx know that you are not gonna get Babe and Roboto apart from a verse of the latter ....... so advertising those songs will not make a difference.

I am more likely to stay away if Babe and Roboto were mentioned.

[StyxCollector]

Oh and CSA but i think most people who go and see current Styx know that you are not gonna get Babe and Roboto apart from a verse of the latter ....... so advertising those songs will not make a difference.

Actually, it will. For the fans who show up and want to hear 'em, they'll be disappointed. It's been that case at nearly every Styx show I've been to since 1999.

I am more likely to stay away if Babe and Roboto were mentioned.

You'd rather hear "Just Be"? Oy. I'm not saying "Babe" is better because I get naucious seeing people get all gushy to it (it is a decent song, tho), but if you spent $50+ for a ticket, wouldn't you expect the hits? The casual fan DOES NOT know that the current Styx lineup does not play those songs.

[bugsymalone]

We have waded through this topic again and again here, and, once again, we see Current Styx advertised with songs from their hitmaker that they will never sing.

When will they learn???

I know a lot of these promotions are out of their control (probably most of them), but I am also quite sure they will not turn down the money from a ticket sold to someone who thinks he/or she will hear those songs.

Bugsy

[styxfanNH]

Ever think that this would be a way to start a love song?

Babe, I'm leaving, I must be on my way...

[shaka]

I live within reasonable driving distance from Vegas. Trust me when I say that each hotel/casino has its own P.R. machine who will pretty much market an event any way they please. It's entirely possible that Styx does not know how the venue is advertising the show. It wouldn't surprise me if they put a photo of Styx outside on a video wall and then played every Dennis song imaginable on the outdoor speakers.

[Ash]

After,for the hell of it I got to the Lexor website( which you can go to directly from Styxworld), clicked on Entertainment and was happy to read that ' the legendary rock band Styx will be performing, Lady, Mr. Roboto, Come Sail Away, and Babe along with their other hits Friday and Saturday.'

Since JY has it in his heart to try and sue Dennis at every turn over petty bullshit things - I wish Dennis would be able to sue for this. Or perhaps ticket buyers for false advertising.

And no - I don't think "most" people going to this show know they won't hear them - because they're not the bathwater drinker types than hang out in message board forums to hear this stuff talked about TO DEATH.




On a brighter note. Went to see Stone Sour and Disturbed last night in Nashville. These guys are to today's rock music what Styx and Boston were to the 70's. Outstanding music.

[Ash]

I live within reasonable driving distance from Vegas. Trust me when I say that each hotel/casino has its own P.R. machine who will pretty much market an event any way they please. It's entirely possible that Styx does not know how the venue is advertising the show. It wouldn't surprise me if they put a photo of Styx outside on a video wall and then played every Dennis song imaginable on the outdoor speakers.

So what? When the advertising machine that promotes Dennis by saying "The singer of Styx" or some shit, it doesn't stop JY from threatening to sue Dennis. Turn about is fair play. The need to be sure they communicate with their promotional people and give them guidelines. If they don't adhere to the guidelines, then someone needs to be accountible. Excuses don't cut it anymore.

Zan - Glen needs to come to Nashville. Make it happen can ya?

[Zan]

Zan - Glen needs to come to Nashville. Make it happen can ya?

You'll have better luck talking to your good friend, Dennis DeYoung. If I had that kind of power, Glen would be in South Florida, babe, not Tennessee.

[shaka]

I live within reasonable driving distance from Vegas. Trust me when I say that each hotel/casino has its own P.R. machine who will pretty much market an event any way they please. It's entirely possible that Styx does not know how the venue is advertising the show. It wouldn't surprise me if they put a photo of Styx outside on a video wall and then played every Dennis song imaginable on the outdoor speakers.

So what? When the advertising machine that promotes Dennis by saying "The singer of Styx" or some shit, it doesn't stop JY from threatening to sue Dennis. Turn about is fair play. The need to be sure they communicate with their promotional people and give them guidelines. If they don't adhere to the guidelines, then someone needs to be accountible. Excuses don't cut it anymore.

Zan - Glen needs to come to Nashville. Make it happen can ya?

Since you missed my point entirely I'll restate it much more simply for you:

There's a very good chance Styx has nothing to do with whatever advertising is going on in Vegas. If they have nothing to do with it why the rancor? Also, I doubt mentioning songs that Dennis wrote is actionable. Misleading maybe but not actionable. Besides, I've seen the current Styx play some of those songs.

[yogi]

What I find soooooo damn funny about this, is that Current Styx claims that they want to ROCK. The second coming of AC/DC. If this is so, then why does this Vegas joint advertise 4 Styx songs all which pretty much belong to Dennis. None are true Rockers( Come sail Away??) Lets look at all 4:

1. Lady - A power ballad and Styx's breakout song. When this song was written Tommy( who is the current leader of the band) wasnt within 500 miles of Styx.
2. Mr. Roboto - The song and the tour that Tommy & JY claim destroyed the band. 100% Dennis's baby. 'I just couldnt think of songs about robots, I just wanted to rock' T.S.
3. Babe - Dennis's birthday present to his wife. The song that got Dennis booted from the band.
4. Come Sail Away - Maaaayyyyybe they should be allowed to use this one??????

At any rate if they REALLY want to rock and break away from Denny, they could easily make sure that some of these songs are NOT used in promoting the current band.

Put it in the contract. It's that damn simple.

They( Tommy, JY, Todd, Ricky & Lawerence) want to have it both ways!!!!

[bugsymalone]

They( Tommy, JY, Todd, Ricky & Lawerence) want to have it both ways!!!!

Well, of COURSE they do! Whatevah sella da tickets!

Bugsy

[Ash]

Since you missed my point entirely I'll restate it much more simply for you:

There's a very good chance Styx has nothing to do with whatever advertising is going on in Vegas. If they have nothing to do with it why the rancor? Also, I doubt mentioning songs that Dennis wrote is actionable. Misleading maybe but not actionable. Besides, I've seen the current Styx play some of those songs.

I got your point, and you don't have the right to speak down to me - so I'd advise you not to do so.

JY has threatened and in some cases actually sued Dennis for representing himself as Styx because of advertising he had no control of - so your argument is null and void. If DDY is liable for that (In JY's eyes - not in any court), then I think JY should be just as liable.

This is why Dennis doesn't even mention the band's name (and why I jokingly refer to them as DFB (Dennis' Former Band) in any interviews or press anymore... because he's tired of JY's threats, and frivilous lawsuits that never go anywhere.

[Jodes]

Well actually he did mention in Edmonton that his former band is on the road and they are Styx.. Then he goes into the bit about but they aren't doing most of the songs you will hear tonight, the ones that "I wrote and sang on" how does that sound to you guys?

And I must say, it sounded great!

[Zan]

I got your point, and you don't have the right to speak down to me - so I'd advise you not to do so.

OK, I like you and everything Ash, but...OMG, you have to be joking.

So, you GOT his point, but chose not to address it for the sake or having a logically void argument? Well, that makes more sense.

Ash, newsflash - this is an internet message board. Talking down to others is what happens allll the time (you know, like in many of your own posts). Welcome to the kitchen, Mr. Kettle.

[shaka]

Since you missed my point entirely I'll restate it much more simply for you:

There's a very good chance Styx has nothing to do with whatever advertising is going on in Vegas. If they have nothing to do with it why the rancor? Also, I doubt mentioning songs that Dennis wrote is actionable. Misleading maybe but not actionable. Besides, I've seen the current Styx play some of those songs.

I got your point, and you don't have the right to speak down to me - so I'd advise you not to do so.


JY has threatened and in some cases actually sued Dennis for representing himself as Styx because of advertising he had no control of - so your argument is null and void. If DDY is liable for that (In JY's eyes - not in any court), then I think JY should be just as liable.

This is why Dennis doesn't even mention the band's name (and why I jokingly refer to them as DFB (Dennis' Former Band) in any interviews or press anymore... because he's tired of JY's threats, and frivilous lawsuits that never go anywhere.

Whatever, I'll speak to you any way I choose. Feel free to sue me. Oh wait, I haven't done anything actionable either.

From what I understand Dennis cannot use the name Styx to promote himself. He can say something like Dennis DeYoung performs the music of Styx. On the other hand they current band cannot use the likeness of Dennis to promote themselves. However, from what I understand and from a legal standpoint, the music is fair game.

Oops, I guess I just talked down to you again. I suppose you'd better do something about it since you advised me not to.

[yogi]

Shaka kahn,

To me you are completely missing the point. If Current Styx wants to break away from the music they say Dennis shoved down their throats that they want ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with, then why do they let the promoters use it to push their shows????? Remember this rendition of Styx wants to rock!!!!!

Put it in a contract that the band does not allow the use of the songs Babe( kicked Dennis out for) or Mr. Roboto( I just couldnt think of any songs about robots) to promote their shows.

Case closed.

To me the one thing that is 100% clear and it has taken me years to realize is that JY and Tommy want it both ways. Half of their actions contradict what they say.

[Zan]

Case closed.

Yes, it was. Years ago.

To me the one thing that is 100% clear and it has taken me years to realize is that JY and Tommy want it both ways. Half of their actions contradict what they say.

Welcome to show business.

[shaka]

Shaka kahn,

To me you are completely missing the point. If Current Styx wants to break away from the music they say Dennis shoved down their throats that they want ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with, then why do they let the promoters use it to push their shows????? Remember this rendition of Styx wants to rock!!!!!

Put it in a contract that the band does not allow the use of the songs Babe( kicked Dennis out for) or Mr. Roboto( I just couldnt think of any songs about robots) to promote their shows.

Case closed.

To me the one thing that is 100% clear and it has taken me years to realize is that JY and Tommy want it both ways. Half of their actions contradict what they say.

I haven't missed any point. The case was settled a long time ago and Dennis put his signature on it. Why would Tommy and JY sign another contract stating they can't play those songs? Makes absolutely no business sense for them to limit themselves that way.

People need to get over these mole-hills they are turning into mountains.

[yogi]

No one is saying ANYTHING about what songs they choose to play.

It's how they are being marketed. They have stated time and again that they want to rock. It is one of JY and Tommy's biggest reasons for giving Dennis the size 12. So then why would you advertise for this hard rockin testosterone charged band by pushing the songs Babe & Mr. Roboto as your big sales pitch.

Put it in the contract when advertising for the shows not to use those songs. This is NOT what the new Styx is about. Correct????

It's like Dodge talking about their new supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck in print magazines that this is the new Dodge, and at the same time they shove the Neon down your throat.

I guess everyone wants to have it both ways.

Everthing All the Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shaka]

No one is saying ANYTHING about what songs they choose to play.

It's how they are being marketed. They have stated time and again that they want to rock. It is one of JY and Tommy's biggest reasons for giving Dennis the size 12. So then why would you advertise for this hard rockin testosterone charged band by pushing the songs Babe & Mr. Roboto as your big sales pitch.

Put it in the contract when advertising for the shows not to use those songs. This is NOT what the new Styx is about. Correct????

It's like Dodge talking about their new supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck in print magazines that this is the new Dodge, and at the same time they shove the Neon down your throat.

I guess everyone wants to have it both ways.

Everthing All the Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would they? Because they aren't going to put any limitations on marketing that they do not have to. What would be the sense in that?

I don't really think your comparison is a good one. That would be saying Dennis is a supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck and everyone else in Styx is the equivelent of a Neon. No offense but Dennis contribution to Styx isn't that gargantuan in comparison. I love Dennis but I don't think his Styx music is any better than that of Tommy Shaw.

Also....

Since when is, "wanting to rock" the only reason for getting rid of Dennis? Seems to me there were several other reasons.

[rajah2165]

No one is saying ANYTHING about what songs they choose to play.

It's how they are being marketed. They have stated time and again that they want to rock. It is one of JY and Tommy's biggest reasons for giving Dennis the size 12. So then why would you advertise for this hard rockin testosterone charged band by pushing the songs Babe & Mr. Roboto as your big sales pitch.

Put it in the contract when advertising for the shows not to use those songs. This is NOT what the new Styx is about. Correct????

It's like Dodge talking about their new supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck in print magazines that this is the new Dodge, and at the same time they shove the Neon down your throat.

I guess everyone wants to have it both ways.

Everthing All the Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tommy and JY are hypocrites. Period. They have been that way for the last 8 years. And some people still try to defend them. I for one realize how insincere everything that comes out of their mouths really are.

[rajah2165]

No one is saying ANYTHING about what songs they choose to play.

It's how they are being marketed. They have stated time and again that they want to rock. It is one of JY and Tommy's biggest reasons for giving Dennis the size 12. So then why would you advertise for this hard rockin testosterone charged band by pushing the songs Babe & Mr. Roboto as your big sales pitch.

Put it in the contract when advertising for the shows not to use those songs. This is NOT what the new Styx is about. Correct????

It's like Dodge talking about their new supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck in print magazines that this is the new Dodge, and at the same time they shove the Neon down your throat.

I guess everyone wants to have it both ways.

Everthing All the Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would they? Because they aren't going to put any limitations on marketing that they do not have to. What would be the sense in that?

I don't really think your comparison is a good one. That would be saying Dennis is a supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck and everyone else in Styx is the equivelent of a Neon. No offense but Dennis contribution to Styx isn't that gargantuan in comparison. I love Dennis but I don't think his Styx music is any better than that of Tommy Shaw.

That is your opinion. But the opinion of the people that count, the record buying, tour attending American public beg to differ. I won't go through the fact that Dennis wrote and sang 7 out of the 8 top 10 singles the band had, produced every album that they ever made, and wrote and sang the majority of the band songs.

[rajah2165]

No one is saying ANYTHING about what songs they choose to play.


Also....

Since when is, "wanting to rock" the only reason for getting rid of Dennis? Seems to me there were several other reasons.

Oh wow, you better stop posting because you are starting to show your bias. You need to read the interviews from JY and Tommy over the past 8 years. "We don't do Dennis songs anymore. This band is all about rock". Remember JY's comment about how Dennis ballad's made him sick? Or have you conveniently forgot that?

[yogi]

Yo Rajah I think that we are on the same side here. Re read my posts.

With that said I do like the current band.

I'm Switzerland brother, but currently Ive got a major hint of France. It's off to the shower!

Everything All The Time!!!!!

[rajah2165]

Yo Rajah I think that we are on the same side here. Re read my posts.

With that said I do like the current band.

I'm Switzerland brother, but currently Ive got a major hint of France. It's off to the shower!

Everything All The Time!!!!!

Whoops Yogi - I meant to quote Shaka's last comment - not yours. You are right I totally am on board with what you are saying.

[shaka]

No one is saying ANYTHING about what songs they choose to play.

It's how they are being marketed. They have stated time and again that they want to rock. It is one of JY and Tommy's biggest reasons for giving Dennis the size 12. So then why would you advertise for this hard rockin testosterone charged band by pushing the songs Babe & Mr. Roboto as your big sales pitch.

Put it in the contract when advertising for the shows not to use those songs. This is NOT what the new Styx is about. Correct????

It's like Dodge talking about their new supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck in print magazines that this is the new Dodge, and at the same time they shove the Neon down your throat.

I guess everyone wants to have it both ways.

Everthing All the Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would they? Because they aren't going to put any limitations on marketing that they do not have to. What would be the sense in that?

I don't really think your comparison is a good one. That would be saying Dennis is a supercharged 12 cylinder heavy duty truck and everyone else in Styx is the equivelent of a Neon. No offense but Dennis contribution to Styx isn't that gargantuan in comparison. I love Dennis but I don't think his Styx music is any better than that of Tommy Shaw.

That is your opinion. But the opinion of the people that count, the record buying, tour attending American public beg to differ. I won't go through the fact that Dennis wrote and sang 7 out of the 8 top 10 singles the band had, produced every album that they ever made, and wrote and sang the majority of the band songs.

Good one Dee the Haberdasher. Drag out the tired, "Dennis wrote and sang all the hits thing". Did it ever occur to you that a good many Styx fans, dare I say a majority of Styx fans, care more about the great album cuts than the songs released as singles? By your logic we should all hold Babe up as the single greatest Styx song ever just because it hit number one. I'll take Castle Walls or Man in the Wilderness any day over Babe because they are more indicative of what Styx is. Where did Castle Walls and Man in the Wilderness rank on the charts? With that said I like Babe just fine, it's just not a song that defines Styx.

There are other reasons that Dennis is no longer with the band. Want me to name a few? How about his unwillingness to tour? How about his penchant for wanting to control everything? How about the fact that he really isn't into writing rock music? All of these are great reasons.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Dennis. However, I'm sitting in Switzerland with Yogi willing to let both entities just be what they are. There's no sense in going back and dredging up the old bitterness. I can enjoy Dennis doing his thing and Styx doing theirs. If a casino wants to include a couple of Dennis penned songs in their marketing it's no skin off my nose.