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by **froy** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:23 am

And, the vision of Kilroy tore the band apart. Are you actualy saying that Kilroy had nothing to do with why the band broke up?

Tommy Shaw doing snowblind broke up Styx not KWH
Again Shaws excuses not to blame himself
Even JY told me that Shaws cocaine use during Kilroy was the end all.

by **yogi** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:38 am

Talk about perks, it seems that one of the players for ELO's wife is an expert in toilet training, and she has promised to be here. In the contract that the day care sent to Styx's management team there is a stipulation about Tommy's wife coming to cut the kids hair. My son is brutal in the barbers chair, so heres hoping. Come to think of it a Styx booking may be a perk for her too, since there are sooo many toys that she could play with!!

Finally, we get to vote on our May concert. Who would you vote for?? BTO or John Waite(acustic set only).

by **yogi** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:58 am

Its official!! May will bring us a double bill of BTO and April Wine. The staff at the Rainbow Day Care Center is working overtime to bring us these fine fine acts. We actually get to vote on another May act who would you vote for?? Journey or a vantriquest(sp) and his pet monkey Bubbles.

Still no word if we can book Styx. Maybe if they let them set up and play on that big toy ship thats out on the playground we could land them!

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:03 am

Yogi - LOL

By the way, is April Wine still together or touring? I can only name one
of their songs.

I really wouldn't mind seeing John Waite acoustically (sp?). I saw him a few months ago and he was really good, my opinion. His voice was great!!

by **yogi** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:27 am

Monker is a marketing genius. Hit the day care circuit for around 10 plus years and you will get a HUGE young following!! The members of Styx may be in their late 60's and 70's by then, but who cares they will be huge again!!!!! What an idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **gr8dane** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:47 pm

yogi wrote:Monker is a marketing genius. Hit the day care circuit for around 10 plus years and you will get a HUGE young following!! The members of Styx may be in their late 60's and 70's by then, but who cares they will be huge again!!!!! What an idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeahh,and they could take their grandparents ,which would be us.
yoinks.
By the way.
Suitemadamblue,could you e-mail me please.Have tried pm'ing you but i don't get through.
Thanx
gr8dane
safft@sympatico.ca

by **gr8dane** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:50 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Yogi - LOL

By the way, is April Wine still together or touring? I can only name one
of their songs.

I really wouldn't mind seeing John Waite acoustically (sp?). I saw him a few months ago and he was really good, my opinion. His voice was great!!

Yeah,April Wine still do the odd gigs.As a matter of fact ,they were at Sweden Rock last year.Saw them opening for Blue Oyster Cult here a few years ago and they were awwrite.
By the way Suite,your next post will be your # 600.Congrats.

by **DarrenUK** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:12 pm

Yourr next post will be your 600...

Thats nothing I bet before the month of January is finished Froy and Monker will be up to that....

ON THIS THREAD ALONE

by **thebook** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:29 am

Monker wrote:
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Yes, I read the "motion" of the lawsuit. I just re-read it today. I'm saying the final "outcome" was not for the public to read. Yes, we know that the current line-up of Styx can go on and use the name.

And, just to prove my point that Froy is wrong:

Almost exactly one year after being filed, the lawsuit of Dennis DeYoung v. Styx appears to be over! Through our friends at Styxnet.com, Dixie sent the following update from the PACER website for the US District Court for the Northern District of Illinois:

Minutes Order of 10/22/01 by Hon. David H. Coar; Pursuant to telephonic notice from the attorney for the plaintiff (Deyoung), the case is settled and the plaintiff's notion for leave to file corrected affidavit of Dennis DeYoung is withdrawn. Status hearing set for 9:30 a.m. on 10/31/01.

While the settlement is not yet set in stone, the Equal Time for Dennis Concern has independant confirmation that the lawsuit has indeed been settled out of court, opening the way for the current band to continue touring and recording under the Styx name. Details of the agreement will be hammered out this Wednesday...

Also, in an unconfirmed report, James Young was heard on a Phoenix radio station (93.3 KDKB) saying that the suit was settled a few days ago, that Styx retains the name forever, and they will be in the studio "very soon"!

Allan Hirt of StyxCollector.com reports that Dennis will be allowed to perform under the moniker "Formerly of Styx" or "Performing the Music of Styx". He speculates that James Young, et al., made a motion for summary judgement this summer, which facilitated a settlement.

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Styx forced the issue with the "summary judgement" motion (which is not 'speculation', it happened...I read it) and Dennis settled. In other words, Styx wanted to get it over with and the judge to make a ruling...and Dennis settled instead.

What was that you said about the facts being on Dennis' side? Obviously he didn't think so or he would have let the judge make his ruling.

As for the "unconfirmed" this and that in the above...that isn't adressing my point.

summary judgement: A judgment given on the basis of pleadings, affidavits, and exhibits presented for the record without any need for a trial. It is used when there is no dispute as to the facts of the case and one party is entitled to a judgment as a matter of law.

both sides settled, not just Dennis. I have never seen a court case where one side just setttles, deals were made on both sides, and part of the deal was for Dennis to withdraw the motion, and Young and co. to allow him to use the name 'Styx' when touring, and apparently when making a live album. Dennis allowed James Young and co. to keep the name 'Styx'. I am sure other deals were made as well, but nobody knows the rest. I suspect that Dennis was dragging it out and JY forced a judgement and at that time, both sides finally came to an agreement (reluctantly of course), typical courtroom behind closed doors antics.

by **froy** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:15 am

And, just to prove my point that Froy is wrong:

[i]
Minutes Order of 10/22/01 by Hon. David H. Coar; Pursuant to telephonic notice from the attorney for the plaintiff (Deyoung), the case is settled and the plaintiff's notion for leave to file corrected affidavit of Dennis DeYoung is withdrawn.

I guess you never learned what withdrawn means

Froy is not wrong Monker never gives up even when he proves himself wrong
Dropped and withdrawn are the same things
Go ask mommy she will tell you .

by **Abitaman** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:04 pm

Froy, You are a Styx fan, I will give you that! But I am a Styx fan too, no matter what version (some are better than others), what direction (some ways should never have been tried), no matter who is in the band (wish Dennis was back), and will follow the group and it's members thru their releases. BUT, get over this, the cd has not even come out. wait and hear it first before you past judgment, no one to you can equal Styx, as what you have set up for them. I didn't see one artist or group on this post that you said was Styx equal, but to be honest, my mind got numb after 4 pages of reading this post. And I said I wasn't going to do it either, or respond.
I am a Styx fan, they are my favorite, and I am not thrilled with the idea of this cover cd, but I will give it a chance, and not past judgement until it comes out, and I will stay away from this post-ERIC

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:54 am

Froy is practicing his review skills for Rolling Stone Magazine. Trash the album before it comes out and never listen to it and say its garbage.

by **froy** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:59 am

Abitaman wrote:Froy, You are a Styx fan, I will give you that! But I am a Styx fan too, no matter what version

If Shaw leaves and its just JY Gowan Todd and Rickie are you still a Styx fan? If Geddy Lee is pushed out of Rush are you still a Rush fan?
How about Bono he gets fired from U2 are you still a U2 fan?

I am a Styx fan, they are my favorite, and I am not thrilled with the idea of this cover cd, but I will give it a chance, and not past judgement until it comes out, and I will stay away from this post-ERIC

If your a real STYX fan you laugh at the notion of a cover cd and say maybe its time to pass on Styx till they become Styx again.

by **Abitaman** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:12 am

If Geddy left, I would still listen to Rush. Same as when............
Dennis left Styx
Brad left Boston
Lou left Foreigner
Tommy left Styx
Gary left REO Speedwagon
Bon died in ACDC
STEVE PERRY left Journey
Jack left Night Ranger
Lindsey left Fleetwood Mac
David left Van Halen
Sammy left Van Halen

Some of the changes have been for the better (Journey, REO, ACDC, Van Halen-better after David left) Some haven't.
But everything changes, music amoung them.
I have been a Styx fan since The Grand Illusion and have followed the group ever since. THe current lineup is not my favorite, and I am not thrilled with idea of a cover cd, but IT could be good, and I am not going to condem it until I have heard it.
Styx is my favorite group followed closely by Journey, and Steve Perry is THE voice of ROCK. But I am looking forward to their next cd with Augeri on vocals.

So much for not coming back to this post-ERIC

by **froy** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:36 am

Abitaman wrote:If
Geddy left, I would still listen to Rush. Same as when............
Dennis left Styx
Brad left Boston
Lou left Foreigner
Tommy left Styx
Gary left REO Speedwagon
Bon died in ACDC
STEVE PERRY left Journey
Jack left Night Ranger
Lindsey left Fleetwood Mac
David left Van Halen
Sammy left Van Halen

Some of the changes have been for the better (Journey, REO, ACDC, Van Halen-better after David left) Some haven't.
But everything changes, music amoung them.
I have been a Styx fan since The Grand Illusion and have followed the group ever since. THe current lineup is not my favorite, and I am not thrilled with idea of a cover cd, but IT could be good, and I am not going to condem it until I have heard it.
Styx is my favorite group followed closely by Journey, and Steve Perry is THE voice of ROCK. But I am looking forward to their next cd with Augeri on vocals.

So much for not coming back to this post-ERIC

Sounds fair but if Geddy was booted from Rush the band would be dead
Just like Foreigner Boston Styx Van Halen Genesis Fleetwood Mac and Van Halen , Acdc had no choice Bon Died Perry quit leaving JRNY no choice either. Each situation is different most fail like styx has.
This new cover cd will fail Im sure of it
We shall see what happens when nobody buys it .
And you forgot about Bono and U2

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:45 am

Rush is very different than Styx. You are looking at a 3 piece band vs a 5 piece band. Styx is as much about the harmonies as it is about who was singing lead. That is what distinguishes Styx from the rest. Bands who have one front man are different than Styx and the reason Styx can go on without Dennis is because they are identified with the three lead singers depending on the song.

by **froy** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:51 am

styxfanNH wrote:Rush is very different than Styx. You are looking at a 3 piece band vs a 5 piece band. Styx is as much about the harmonies as it is about who was singing lead. That is what distinguishes Styx from the rest. Bands who have one front man are different than Styx and the reason Styx can go on without Dennis is because they are identified with the three lead singers depending on the song.

Thats a nice story but Styx was not seen as having 3 lead singers.
Dennis was seen as the leader and Voice of Styx
By what you are saying if Shaw left right now Styx would continue with JY as the lead singer. The bottom line is a band is a band and if the founder of the band is not in the band then the band is not the band.
If Rush lost Geddy there done
If U2 lost Bono there done
If Steve Perry asked to come back to JRNY right now he should be let back in.
If Dennis asked to come back to Styx he should be back in also

by **DarrenUK** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:24 am

Froy.......

You cant let ex members of bands back in just because they ask that would cause anarchy.

Jonathan Cain, Dean Castronovo would have to quit Journey, and Perry would not be in as he is not a founder member.

And for someone who does not like the current line up of Styx, you said they should be ignored but you write about them on here more than anybody else.

If i was pissed off about it I would not go to one of there shows, buy OR listen to any material and refuse to even participate in a message board about them and I can bet that you will be here slating the covers CD when its released but for someone intent on ignoring them how are you going to slate it without listening to it ?
Why did you listen to Cyclorama if you intended to ignore the band ?
Cyclorama is a 100% better than Brave New World, far better than Kilroy, Cornerstone and Edge Of The Century and although its not in the same league as GI, PO8 and PT its a darn good record. Name one song on BNW, Cornerstone, EOTC and Kilroy that comes even close to One With Everything and These Are The Times....there isnt one.

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:47 am

Darren,
I think we all agree that the way BNW was made, makes it a less than stellar album. There are some decent songs on it, but it is obvious that the collective Styx mojo that could have propelled some of those songs in to classic Styx songs was missing.

Froy is really living in the past. Whether it is 6 years ago in the past when the classic lineup disbanded for what appears to be the last time or more than 20 years ago when Tommy left after Kilroy.

Some are able to move on, others keep hanging on to the past.

Reality says that the last "Rock" album Dennis had was released in 1988. While Styx is not what it was without Dennis, Dennis isn't Styx without Tommy and JY.
Some can't see that.
Tommy and JY show they still have Rock left in them. And Dennis, well, we will have to see... I hope so. But in my mind the jury is still out.

by **gr8dane** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:01 am

What baffles me is if JY is such a bad guy ,why would froy want DDY,to have anything to do with him/them again, as in back with the band again.
??That has never been clear to me.Probably never will be.

by **froy** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:30 am

gr8dane wrote:What baffles me is if JY is such a bad guy ,why would froy want DDY,to have anything to do with him/them again, as in back with the band again.
??That has never been clear to me.Probably never will be.

Who said we want Dennis back with JY ?

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:19 am

Froy, Who is "WE"?

by **gr8dane** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:04 pm

Froy,now it is even less clear.Do you want DDY back in Styx and JY out.So you want everybody out ,except DDY and nobody else???.Would'nt that be like DDY solo as Styx with out everybody else.??? And another ? for good measure..What is Styx NOW? Like the old days but not the new days .Dennis does everything as Styx without the other guys.It just get less clear as the days go by.Bye Bye,oh my. :?:

by **froy** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:12 pm

styxfanNH wrote:Froy, Who is "WE"?

Are you we?

by **Abitaman** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:25 pm

And you forgot about Bono and U2

Sorry Froy, but I am not a U2 fan. The only cd I have by them is their latest hits cd. They have a couple of good songs per cd, but nothing on them, wanted to make me run out and by the whole cd, so I bought their singles I liked.-ERIC

by **Abitaman** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:26 pm

HEY AFTER OVER A 100 POSTS I FINALLY GOT THE QOUTE RIGHT-eric

by **gr8dane** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:42 pm

I am getting dizzy. :shock:

Hey Abitmango.It took me a while 2.

by **gr8dane** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:51 pm

gr8dane wrote:Froy,now it is even less clear.Do you want DDY back in Styx and JY out.So you want everybody out ,except DDY and nobody else???.Would'nt that be like DDY solo as Styx with out everybody else.??? And another ? for good measure..What is Styx NOW? Like the old days but not the new days .Dennis does everything as Styx without the other guys.It just get less clear as the days go by.Bye Bye,oh my.

No ,we are me.are you you?froy answer please.

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:03 pm

Maybe Froy is Dennis....Hmmm .....

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:06 pm

Whoa! Gettin' dizzy here! I think I got lost back on page 5? Or 6?

Need.....new.....thread......!

:shock:

Bugsy

MR

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