The Divas over on the Journey board...........

by **bugsymalone** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:16 pm

You guys make me wish I knew more about Styx. I would love to be able to really talk about this stuff with you.

We really are a charming bunch over here.

Dangitall! You made 8 pages already!

Nine? Do I hear NINE???

Bugsy

by **sadie65** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:05 pm

bugsymalone wrote:
You guys make me wish I knew more about Styx. I would love to be able to really talk about this stuff with you.

We really are a charming bunch over here.

Dangitall! You made 8 pages already!

Nine? Do I hear NINE???

Bugsy

Oh yes...we exude charm all over the place :lol:

If OhSherrie wants to learn more about Styx, there are plenty of threads here where she can read us at our most "charming".

by **OpeningAct** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:12 pm

classicstyxfan wrote:I suppose messing with someone whos intellect and lack of maturity is as pronounced as it is with you is getting old, for me , and for the others on this board..........it's just that you make it so easy !

I'm done with you now, at least on this thread, and unlike pronouncements you have made about me in the past, I have the maturity and discipline to mean it. So you may have the last word if you like, in fact, I will be shocked if you dont respond with one last demonstration of your maturity and extensive vocabulary, especially the naughty words and names !

Thanks for letting me yank your chain, it was fun !

LMFAO!!!!

What a burn!!!! He's more used to his daily ball washings at the other site CSF!!! :wink:

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:21 pm

OhSherrie says:

You guys make me wish I knew more about Styx. I would love to be able to really talk about this stuff with you.

Anytime!!!

I love talking about STYX !! I've been a "hardcore" fan since I was 7 years old - LOL

I love Journey too and I sure have been learning a lot about the background of Journey.

by **jrnyman28** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:27 pm

sadie65 wrote: You may have long threads on Journey (and I've participated in a small few of them), but my oh my...you guys beat a dead horse quite frequently. No slam, jab, or dig intended either. Honestly.

Absolutely true!!

by **Monker** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:40 pm

sadie65 wrote:.you guys beat a dead horse quite frequently. No slam, jab, or dig intended either. Honestly.

Well, that's just because Steve Perry fired Smith and Valory when he had total control over the band that he never felt he was a part of before he supposedly fell off a mountain injuring his hip that had a degenerative bone disease and had to be replaced because he couldn't tour because his hip needed to be replaced and he was a bit hoarse anyways. And, oh, yeah, he still has a big nose, and ROR still sucks but not quite as bad as FTLOSM.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:43 pm

Monker says:

Well, that's just because Steve Perry fired Smith and Valory when he had total control over the band

Did Perry really fire Smith and Valory? Did he ever really have control over the band Journey? If he did, how could he? He wasn't an original member and how could he have control?

by **Monker** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:50 pm

classicstyxfan wrote:- Rock n' Diva thinks arguments are won by the person who can call the opponent the most names, and can thump their cyber-chest the loudest

Just a quick hint...

The 'arguments' on forums like this are 'won' by the person who realizes they can't be won....because they don't take it serious in the first place.

- Someone on the Journey board must have possession of pictures of Andrew in a compromising position, thus forcing him to move the Journey board above the Styx board !

Or, maybe Neal called him up and told him to do it or he would send Perry's lawyers after him.

by **Monker** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:14 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Did Perry really fire Smith and Valory?

Of course he did. ROR was his show.

Did he ever really have control over the band Journey?

Well, that's a bit of an exageration. But, I would say he had at least as much control over Journey as Dennis did over Styx for Kilroy. He produced the album controling both the concept and the overall theme and sound, he fired members, he vetoed the hired hands others in the band wanted and forced them to accept the ones he approved of, he titled the album and approved the artwork. I mean, come on...how much more power can a 'band' member have and it still be a 'band'?

If he did, how could he?

I don't think he really wanted to be in Journey. I think he wanted to be solo. So, to get Perry back and not replace him, they let him have whatever he wanted. What he ended up getting was so much control that ROR became very much like a follow up to Street Talk, and NOT a follow up to Frontiers.

I don't care who the band member is, Perry or DeYoung, when that person controls everything from the album cover, to the production, to the album concept and songwriting, to determining if someone needs replacing - that person has FAR too much power and is sucking the life out of the band. Damnit, Jim, he's a singer not the band's doctor!

The other members need to breathe and have a place to let out their creativity. When that creativity is squelched out by ONE member for that ONE member's own personal goals then the BAND is in trouble. It takes more then one person to 'make' a band - no matter who that 'one person' is, how talented he is, how successful he is, or how big his nose is.

He wasn't an original member and how could he have control?

The same way JY and Tommy now have control of Styx. Behind the door politics, fighting, and who comes out on top after the dust settles.

I went thru this on the Journey forum...Perry wrestled control from Herbie. The band ended up backing Perry. So, Herbie backed off and Perry became the top dog. Herbie wanted to replace Perry LONG before ROR...the band chose to not support that idea....just as Styx chose to rehire Dennis instead of replacing him. It's one of those things of breaking up a team that is successful...it was a risk that neither band wanted to take...and the result was Perry/DeYoung became even more powerful within the band because of it.

by **ohsherrie** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:41 am

Geez Monker. So now are we gonna drag that old putrified horse across the River Styx and kick that sucker some more? :wink:

by **bugsymalone** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:06 am

ohsherrie wrote::lol: Geez Monker. So now are we gonna drag that old putrified horse across the River Styx and kick that sucker some more?

OMG, ohsherrie, I am laughing my butt off! :lol:

Bugsy

by **sadie65** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:09 am

ohsherrie wrote::lol: Geez Monker. So now are we gonna drag that old putrified horse across the River Styx and kick that sucker some more?

Ah yes....putrified horse whippings....just one more service here at Styxland.

See, you're fitting in quite nicely here already!

Welcome aboard.

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:07 am

ohsherrie wrote::lol: Geez Monker. So now are we gonna drag that old putrified horse across the River Styx and kick that sucker some more?

LOL....

Now, That was funny...Good One..... :lol:

by **ohsherrie** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:43 am

If you all enjoyed it it's worth the flack I'm liable to catch for posting it, :lol:

.

by **Monker** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:58 pm

ohsherrie wrote::lol: Geez Monker. So now are we gonna drag that old putrified horse across the River Styx and kick that sucker some more?

Why not? Kilroy is Styx' ROR and IMO Perry and DeYoung were both crossing a line of being in a band and expecting a few performers to be hired hands doing whatever he wanted. Neal said he HATED Perry. Tommy put his fist through glass. The situations are VERY simular. I don't have to cross anything to talk about it!

Could they have walked? Could they have said, "I'm not going to record this crappy pop music!" or, "I'm not going to write songs about robots and try to be an actor!" Yep...the bands would have broke up sooner. Overall, I think that would have been the better choice for BOTH bands.

That's the price that neither band was willing to take. Can you possibly imagine being forced to make that choice? You are making hundreds of thousands, or millions, of dollars a year...and you are going to walk away from that because the lead singer is being WAY too controling? For that kind of money, I'd bet everybody on this forum would say, "Fuck it...I'll bite my lip and take the cash."

And, that is what they did...until things got so bad they had to brake up to save their own sanity. Perry walked away from EVERYTHING. All of Styx just went solo. Neal and Jonathan went to Bad English. At that time, being apart was better for THEM then being together and having to deal with all that crap - again....well, until reunions happened.

by **OpeningAct** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:25 pm

Hey Monker, the Who Gives A Crap store called.
They want you back full time, benefits and all.... :roll:

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:54 am

Monker says:

Why not? Kilroy is Styx' ROR and IMO Perry and DeYoung were both crossing a line of being in a band and expecting a few performers to be hired hands doing whatever he wanted. Neal said he HATED Perry. Tommy put his fist through glass. The situations are VERY simular. I don't have to cross anything to talk about it!

Do you think that Neal, really HATED Perry? I think Perry is what made Journey MORE popular, right? Do you think Journey would have succeeded like they did back in the 80's if Perry wasn't in the band? I know we'll never know and you can't go back in time, but what do you think?

As for Tommy putting his fist through the glass, he just had "issues". You know that stopped the Kilroy tour that was selling out concert seats. But hey the guys in the band were so nice enough and waited until he recovered, they didn't replace him for a "stupid" mistake that he did. It's not like he got sick or something.

Could they have walked? Could they have said, "I'm not going to record this crappy pop music!" or, "I'm not going to write songs about robots and try to be an actor!" Yep...the bands would have broke up sooner. Overall, I think that would have been the better choice for BOTH bands.

Lucky for us fans on these forums, that didn't happen. I don't know what we'd be talking about or if there would be a STYX forum on sites like this

That's the price that neither band was willing to take. Can you possibly imagine being forced to make that choice? You are making hundreds of thousands, or millions, of dollars a year...and you are going to walk away from that because the lead singer is being WAY too controling? For that kind of money, I'd bet everybody on this forum would say, "Fuck it...I'll bite my lip and take the cash."

Personally, of course I'd live with it and say "Fuck it and take the cash", you bet. Who wouldn't?

by **sadie65** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:27 am

Do you think that Neal, really HATED Perry? I think Perry is what made Journey MORE popular, right? Do you think Journey would have succeeded like they did back in the 80's if Perry wasn't in the band? I know we'll never know and you can't go back in time, but what do you think?

I think both bands came to a point where what everyone wanted was a cross purposes. While Journey did achieve it's largest recognition with Perry, I think it's too uncertain as to whether or not they would have.

As for Tommy putting his fist through the glass, he just had "issues". You know that stopped the Kilroy tour that was selling out concert seats. But hey the guys in the band were so nice enough and waited until he recovered, they didn't replace him for a "stupid" mistake that he did. It's not like he got sick or something.

I would imagine by the time Kilroy came to pass, all of the band had "issues". While his putting a fist through the glass was irresponsible, I doubt his mind was thinking about that at the moment. That the band recognized that Tommy was a key part of their success is to their credit. That they felt that Dennis no longer was when they split with him speaks more to a desire for them to "revolt". I'd imagine years of having a level of success formed their opinions. Years off from it, honed their desire to demonstrate that success was more than the work of one member. How they went about it is what I struggle with.

Lucky for us fans on these forums, that didn't happen. I don't know what we'd be talking about or if there would be a STYX forum on sites like this

LOL. There is some truth to that.

That's the price that neither band was willing to take. Can you possibly imagine being forced to make that choice? You are making hundreds of thousands, or millions, of dollars a year...and you are going to walk away from that because the lead singer is being WAY too controling? For that kind of money, I'd bet everybody on this forum would say, "Fuck it...I'll bite my lip and take the cash."

Perhaps not for at the time, they might have felt they had enough money and they might have also felt that their success would allow them success without the band. People opt to leave something for a lot less than what we all know on this board.

Personally, of course I'd live with it and say "Fuck it and take the cash", you bet. Who wouldn't?

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I don't honestly know that I could make that statement. I think it's a value call plain and simple. And fortunately for me, it's doubtful I'll ever be in that position. :lol:

by **Andrew** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:34 am

8 pages and 200 replies because I re-arranged the order of the board?

LOL

If I need to read any of this, let me know. Perhaps it's time for another change.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:43 am

Andrew, why do you have "Manager of Van Halen" at the final level? Just curious, why that band?

Don't you think STYX is far better than Van Halen?? LOL :wink:

by **jrnyman28** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:00 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Andrew, why do you have "Manager of Van Halen" at the final level? Just curious, why that band?

Don't you think STYX is far better than Van Halen?? LOL

And how many posts does it take to get ther? 2500?

by **sadie65** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:06 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Andrew, why do you have "Manager of Van Halen" at the final level? Just curious, why that band?

Don't you think STYX is far better than Van Halen?? LOL

And how many posts does it take to get ther? 2500?

At least that has an answer...unlike the burning question of how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop!

And Andrew... I think the order of the board is just fine. But should you change it...well bring up one of the well talked groups that are on your board....like The Thin Lizzy conference.

Ducking and running for cover....

by **Andrew** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:16 am

Yeah, that Thin Lizzy board is a huge success

Who knows why I did or do anything....I don't know anymore.

Perhaps time to update the post ranks.

by **ek88** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:38 am

I think it would serve Suite right if we stuck her with "Manager of Carrot Styx", or even better: "Manager of Larry Gowan!"

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:07 am

I was told to come on the board to see what EK wrote - LOL

Ek88 says:

I think it would serve Suite right if we stuck her with "Manager of Carrot Styx", or even better: "Manager of Larry Gowan!"

OMG!! If that happened, I think I would actually leave this board (just kidding). Actually I think I would be crying :cry:

You're funny Ek!!

by **swwskj** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:23 pm

Ek,

Just curious. If Suite gets to be manager of Larry, does that mean she outranks me? What is higher, manager or CFO, COO, President for life of LGFC?

Scott

by **gr8dane** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:49 pm

Back home in the penthouse suite for Styx.
Guess Journey were just there for a little ehhh ,holiday.

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:23 pm

Ahhhh...check in this morning and I see order in the universe has been restored!

And we have made it to page 9!!!! (Do I hear 10??)

All I can say about managing Van Halen is David Lee better get out of the ambulance and get to posting on Melodic Rock!!

Bugsy

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:36 pm

Scott says:

Ek,
Just curious. If Suite gets to be manager of Larry, does that mean she outranks me? What is higher, manager or CFO, COO, President for life of LGFC?

Egad, I hope this really doesn't happen (LOL) I really don't think any one on here wants to see the bad side of Suite Madame Blue (Evil laugh, ha ha ha ha).

Scott, you can have all those titles, really you can

Bugsy says:

All I can say about managing Van Halen is David Lee better get out of the ambulance and get to posting on Melodic Rock!!

LOL, he's probably disappointed that there are more STYX and Journey posts on here than the Van Halen thread. I heard that he's going to be the new lead singer of Styx in 2006 :shock:

I'm just kidding, since he can't play keyboards, or can he??? Hmmm, the plot thickens - LOL Well, he did open a show for Dennis this year. Hmmm, the connections? I wonder how he would sound like singing "Come Sail Away"? That would be weird.

Actually I think it's great that he is an EMT!!

by **Monker** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:22 am

Do you think that Neal, really HATED Perry?

He explicitly said he hated Perry during the recording of ROR. Why should I not believe him?

I think Perry is what made Journey MORE popular, right?
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That is what probably what you THINK. Correct.

Do you think Journey would have succeeded like they did back in the 80's if Perry wasn't in the band?

Yes. Herbie would not have accepted anything less...and JONATHAN is the real catalyst of making Journey "more" popular. Compare the pop-ularity of Journey prior to Escape and after - a HUGE jump...MUCH bigger then before Infinity and after.

The pop-ularity Journey is remembered for came after Jonathan arrived, not after Perry. Perry had three studio albums, a live album, and a Japan soundtrack...and three years with the band, and they could not achieve the pop-ularity they gained after Jonathan arrived.

As for Tommy putting his fist through the glass, he just had "issues". You know that stopped the Kilroy tour that was selling out concert seats.

Fine. He wrote "Cold War" then. To deny that Dennis alienated himself from the rest of the band is denying reality. Kilroy was HIS vision, not the band's. He took his rule over the band too far. So did Perry.

Who wouldn't?

Because the argument for Perry, or Dennis, not having control is always, "They could have always said 'no, I'm not doing that!" Yeah, they could have done that, but it's unrealistic to expect them to...and if they had, the band(s) would have ended a couple years earlier.

MR

The Divas over on the Journey board...........

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