Facts Respectfully Submited to Froy

[kansas666]

Rod Stewart? He hasn't sung rock music in 10yrs or so. Talk about a Barry Manilow wannabe!

Sounds like someone we all know.

[kansas666]

What about "Garage Inc." by Metallica?

That album was HUGE!

[Adam]

Froy Says:
Ozzy is not a classic rock band
Toto is not a classic rock band
Bowie is not a classic rock band

Adam Says: Perhaps Froy has never listened to classic rock radio or watched VH1 Classic or looked at a Classic Rock chart? Next time I hear Flying High Again, Rosanna or or Rebel Rebel, I’ll try to remember to reclassify them as punk bands.

Froy says: Aerosmith I never saw a cover cd.

Adam Says: So what? It exists!

Monker Says: You go on some goofy challenge insisting that no classic rock band releases cover CD's...Then, when you are proven wrong - YOUR POINT COMPLETELY CHANGES!

Adam Says: Monker rules.

[LordofDaRing]

One major underlying point...when you think of STYX, Aerosmith, Bowie, the Beatles, Toto, Elvis, DDY, Metallica, ASIA, Led Zepplin, Rod Stewart, Elton John or any other major artist...are cover songs the first thing or maybe even the 10th thing to come to your minds. No, I would care to bet the original tunes these artists did would come to mind first. Yes there are exceptions, but for the most part, the covers are either the artists early outings or a "and now for something completely different" temporary swing. As far as the exceptance of this STYX cover CD as Asia would say...Only time will tell.

[froy]

One major underlying point...when you think of STYX, Aerosmith, Bowie, the Beatles, Toto, Elvis, DDY, Metallica, ASIA, Led Zepplin, Rod Stewart, Elton John or any other major artist...are cover songs the first thing or maybe even the 10th thing to come to your minds. No, I would care to bet the original tunes these artists did would come to mind first. Yes there are exceptions, but for the most part, the covers are either the artists early outings or a "and now for something completely different" temporary swing. As far as the exceptance of this STYX cover CD as Asia would say...Only time will tell.

Good point
Everyone ran to find bands that did cover cds
But only 2 did a cover cd very late in ther carreer


Did Zepplin do a cover cd?
How about

ELP
Fleetwood Mac
Lynard Skynard
The Cult
ELO
Gabriel
YES
Genesis
Bob Seger
The Beatles
The Who
The Stones
Pink Floyd
Kiss
Triumph
Kansas
John Fogerty
Supertramp
Journey


Answer no of course not cover cds are excuses to put something out quick
Styx 's reason to put out a cover cd is simple to get something out to keep touring No doubt about it
Just think they were pitching platinum cds years ago and now there pitching Gowan remakes of Beatles music
Is that an upgrade?
I should say not.

[froy]

What about "Garage Inc." by Metallica?

That album was HUGE!

What about it ?

What were the songs covered?"

[froy]

Rod Stewart? He hasn't sung rock music in 10yrs or so. Talk about a Barry Manilow wannabe!

Sounds like someone we all know.

Saw Rod in the spring his classics were great
His covers were awefull an embarrasment
If he's doing it again Im sure its for his die hard fans

[froy]

I take that back. Rod Stewart is just about to release his 3rd volume of the "Great America Songbook" series.

He 's a solo act more power to him

The Ramones released "Acid Eaters" - All covers

Not even in the same league as classic Styx..

Joan Jett released "The Hit List" - All covers

See above

Jerry Garcia released "Garcia" - All covers

See above

Geoff Downes from Asia released "Evolution" - All covers

So what this is not in the league of Classic Styx get real//..

Joe Cocker released "Heart and Soul" - All covers[/quote

solo artist not the same agruement ''

Duran Duran released "Thank You" - All covers

Yngwie J Malmsteen released "Inspiration" - All covers

Rage Against the Machine released "Renegades" - All covers

Lyle Lovett released "Step Inside This House" - All covers

Duran Duran no comment not a fan at all

The other 3 not in the same catagory as Styx
Give me a band that is 4 times platinum and has been around for 30 years who then last resort does a covers cd.

And what about "10 on Broadway"?

Learn how to stay on topic will ya please
Solo acts are not whatr Im talking about
Your list is lame

[swwskj]

Hey Froy,

For your consumption....

Concerning the Geoff Downes 'Evolution' CD. This comes directly from the album Jacket..

"This album came about as a result of many requests by friends to catalogue my musical influnces. Bands like Procol Harum and The Moody Blues really started my interest in Rock Music, because of their early use of keyboard instruments. I have selected songs from a wide spectrum of rock, with particular emphasis on the Keyboard."

The album was never designed to be a $ maker, just a project to keep Geoff busy between Asia albums. You may be interested in the track listing, mainly because the bands he covers are mainly ones you have admitted to liking in the past. I should mention that this is an instrumental album.

1. Africa-Toto
2. Livin' on a Prayer-Bon Jovi
3. Nights in White Satin-Moody Blues
4. Little Lies-Fleetwood Mac
5. Dreamer-Supertramp
6. I Want to Know What Love is-Foreigner
7. Drive-The Cars
8. Whiter Shade of Pale-Procol Harem
9. The Final Countdown-Europe
10. Alone-Heart
11. Stairway to Heaven-Led Zepplin
12. Babe-Styx
13. Who's Cryin' Now-Journey
14. Dust in the Wind-Kansas

The album is actually pretty good. I'll send ya a copy if ya wish (or anyone else for that matter)

Scott

[froy]

Hey Froy,

For your consumption....

Concerning the Geoff Downes 'Evolution' CD. This comes directly from the album Jacket..

"This album came about as a result of many requests by friends to catalogue my musical influnces. Bands like Procol Harum and The Moody Blues really started my interest in Rock Music, because of their early use of keyboard instruments. I have selected songs from a wide spectrum of rock, with particular emphasis on the Keyboard."

The album was never designed to be a $ maker, just a project to keep Geoff busy between Asia albums. You may be interested in the track listing, mainly because the bands he covers are mainly ones you have admitted to liking in the past. I should mention that this is an instrumental album.

1. Africa-Toto
2. Livin' on a Prayer-Bon Jovi
3. Nights in White Satin-Moody Blues
4. Little Lies-Fleetwood Mac
5. Dreamer-Supertramp
6. I Want to Know What Love is-Foreigner
7. Drive-The Cars
8. Whiter Shade of Pale-Procol Harem
9. The Final Countdown-Europe
10. Alone-Heart
11. Stairway to Heaven-Led Zepplin
12. Babe-Styx
13. Who's Cryin' Now-Journey
14. Dust in the Wind-Kansas

The album is actually pretty good. I'll send ya a copy if ya wish (or anyone else for that matter)

Scott

Last I checked Geoff never had 4 platinum cds
Its not an issue of has anyone done a cover cd
Its the issue of a band like Styx if you consider todays band Styx doing a cover 30 years into there so called carreer after 4 platinumm cds.
BTW why would I want to hear Geoff Downes do the songs you listed when I could hear the original .

[Adam]

Kansas666 Says: What about "Garage Inc." by Metallica? That album was HUGE!

Froy Says: What about it ?

Adam Says: Why doesn’t it matter that a Multi-Platinum Rock act with a successful album of covers matter? What is Froy’s criteria?

Froy Says: Saw Rod in the spring his classics were great
His covers were awefull an embarrasment
If he's doing it again Im sure its for his die hard fans

Adam Says: Rod Stewart’s recent cover albums have been very successful! I know we can cavalierly sit here at out computer keyboards and toss off moves that artists make, but you’d sure be hard pressed to convince Rod Stewart’s record label, manager, accountant, and ex-wives that his new records – which are doing good business – is a mistake. These have rejuvenated his freaking career! Put the guy back on the map!

What is Froy’s criteria? On one hand we can rant about Styx discs not selling like they used to and point out how poorly an album of covers will sell, and then turn around and lambaste Rod Stewart for successfully doing covers!!!!

Froy Says: He 's a solo act

Adam Says: Record labels, Producers, Managers and Promoters do not differentiate between groups and solo artists. It is about careers. Labels wanna sell discs, Promoters wanna sell tickets. It’s all the same. (And when Paul Simon can make more money as a solo, take a wild guess which path he’ll follow?) If Jon Anderson’s solo albums did better than Yes albums, that would be a band currently out on tour with another singer (Trevor Horn? Trevor Rabin?)

Is there anyone you know who ONLY will buy records from solo artists? Not bands? Vice versa? Why is this differentiation being made? A cover album is a cover album. A classic rock act is a classic rock act.

Oh, and by the way there are pockets of fans that pine for the days when Gabriel was lead singer with Genesis. Does that discount all the music that the band created without him?

Of The Ramones, Froy says: “Not even in the same league as classic Styx.”

Adam Says: A matter of opinion. It’s easy to flippantly discount the Ramones and Duran Duran, but I believe they fit the criteria of the challenge: multi-platinum, classic rock band. And by the way guess who’ll go down in the history books, Styx or The Ramones, Joan Jett and Jerry Garcia?

What is Froy’s criteria?

ELO covered a CHUCK BERRY STANDARD for Christ’s sake (it IS Christmas, by the way).

One could argue that Geoff Downes is very much in the same league as Dennis DeYoung. They both put out albums of covers. Somehow that’s okay for DeYoung, not for anyone else.

What is Froy’s criteria?

No, Zepplin didn’t do a cover cd – they just ripped off the intellectual property of more American blues artists than any other act in the history of rock and roll, by covering songs throughout their career and giving themselves credit. How respectable an example!

What is Froy’s criteria?

In addition to other things, ELP turned classic Symphonic pieces into rock. That’s called covering (at best).

What is Froy’s criteria?

Froy’s cause is Dennis DeYoung – period -and whatever year it was when the band Styx impressed him as a youth. I understand this and I support the right to one’s personal tastes.

[kansas666]

Froy, you seem to be misquoting yourself:

Now show me an entire cd full of covers
By a classic rock act that has sold 4 platinum cds or better

Once again show me a band that goes out and does an entire cd of covers

Give me a band that is 4 times platinum and has been around for 30 years who then last resort does a covers cd.

Its not an issue of has anyone done a cover cd
Its the issue of a band like Styx if you consider todays band Styx doing a cover 30 years into there so called carreer after 4 platinumm cds.

Make up your mind.

Metallica, Eric Clapton, Rod Stewart and Aerosmith have all had much better careers than STYX. They have all done cover cd's. The cover cd's all sold well. The cover cd's were not a last resort. They are still selling out. STYX is not doing this as a last resort - a major label signed them and asked them to do a cover cd because that is the trend right now and it is working. STYX has put off releasing their original cd until the fall because of the wave of popularity they are riding right now with Walrus.

So you don't recall most of these cover cd's. Get your head out of the sand (or Dennis DeYoung's butt). Metallica's "Garage Inc." was all over classic rock radio. You don't remember their cover of Bob Seger's "Turn the Page"?

Aerosmith's "Honkin' on Bobo" was released last year. "Baby Please Don't Go" was a top 10 hit on classic rock radio.

Your loss. Oh that's right you spend all of your time in your bedroom with your headphones on listening to "Babe".

Open your eyes and ears. There is a world of music out there beyond your hero.

[styxfanNH]

Some questions I don't know the answer to, maybe someone can help me out with this.

1. How many bands of the classic rock era continue to have a career after 30 years in the industry?

2. How many Classic Rock bands have had 4 triple Platinum albums?

3. How many Classic Rock bands have had a top 10 single on the pop charts in the last 5 years? 10 years? OK, maybe U2 and Aerosmith, anyone else?

4. Do solo artists play by themselves or do they play with other musicians? Isn't this the definition of a band, just not the members that he/she had played with in another band?

[kansas666]

The Ramones released "Acid Eaters" - All covers

Not even in the same league as classic Styx..

That's right. They are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

[froy]

The Ramones released "Acid Eaters" - All covers

Not even in the same league as classic Styx..

That's right. They are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

You don't take the RR Hall of Fame seriously do you ?

[froy]

1. How many bands of the classic rock era continue to have a career after 30 years in the industry?

How many that really have the core classic members in the band
I can only think of a few YES Aerosmith Kansas minus Kerry
The Stones

Styx has not been together for 30 years too many dead years and now lineups that don't even resemble themselves.

2. How many Classic Rock bands have had 4 triple Platinum albums?

Good question don't know

3. How many Classic Rock bands have had a top 10 single on the pop charts in the last 5 years? 10 years? OK, maybe U2 and Aerosmith, anyone else?

No clue

4. Do solo artists play by themselves or do they play with other musicians? Isn't this the definition of a band, just not the members that he/she had played with in another band?

[/quote]\

Come again.

[Abitaman]

Huey Lewis and the News did a cd of covers, as a follow up the million selling Small World cd. I think the name of the cd was Four Cords and Several Years Ago.
Zep never did a cover, but their albums had covers, that counts for something.
Deyoung did a cover cd.
Journey with and without Perry sings cover songs in concerts, Jailhouse Rock pops to mind as one.
I would love a new cd of new material, but this IS a trend, and if it helps get them on the radio, or any type of play, then go for it, cause Styx is NOT a popular group right now (amoung younger people). They need to get out there and go. Any song they get on, will help with THEIR new cd.-ERIC

[froy]

Huey Lewis and the News did a cd of covers, as a follow up the million selling Small World cd. I think the name of the cd they get on, will help with THEIR new cd.-ERIC

No disrespect Huey has a great band but there done commerciallyThe covers maybe were an effort just like Styx to light the fire .

[ek88]

froy, Kilroy and EOTC did not sell 4 times platinum, so by your own standards, Styx was dead LONG before DDY left the band (or got kicked out).

[froy]

froy, Kilroy and EOTC did not sell 4 times platinum, so by your own standards, Styx was dead LONG before DDY left the band (or got kicked out).

Who said 4 times platinum ?
I said 4 platinum cds

Kilroy was a great tour loved it .
Edge was ok not the best
95 was killer
96-97 was great .

[froy]

Metallica, Eric Clapton, Rod Stewart and Aerosmith have all had much better careers than STYX.

Clapton Yes Rod Yes Metalicca different type of music
Aerosmith not even close to Styx

They have all done cover cd's

.
Of diffferent types of music
Funny how you harp on Dennis for doing 10 on Broadway and you praise Rod Stewart for doin gthe same thing
Solo acts can do covers all day as far as Im concerned
Did Rod do a cd of Beatles tunes?
Clapton did Blues
Rod did Standards
Aerosmith did blues
I don't know what Mettalica did
Styx has copied the Beatles they went right to the top
Are they going to do a Jazz cd?

The cover cd's were not a last resort. They are still selling out.

Yea but STYX isn't big difference.,

STYX is not doing this as a last resort - a major label signed them and asked them to do a cover cd because that is the trend right now and it is working.

Really you have proof of that or just Shaws excuse?

STYX has put off releasing their original cd until the fall because of the wave of popularity they are riding right now with Walrus.

No they don't have a new cd ready and what popularity of Walrus?
Gimmie a break//

So you don't recall most of these cover cd's. Get your head out of the sand (or Dennis DeYoung's butt). Metallica's "Garage Inc." was all over classic rock radio. You don't remember their cover of Bob Seger's "Turn the Page"?

Sure do it sucked
Terrible version proof that doing a cover is a stupid idea.

Aerosmith's "Honkin' on Bobo" was released last year. "Baby Please Don't Go" was a top 10 hit on classic rock radio.

How many people have covered that song
Aerosmith has lost it as far as Im concerend
I guess when you lose it the band runs to covers
Boring .

Your loss. Oh that's right you spend all of your time in your bedroom with your headphones on listening to "Babe".

And you sit in your basement listening to cover tunes
Real original

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Open your eyes and ears.  There is a world of music out there beyond your hero.[/quote]

Why does Dennis get brought into every discussion ?

[styxfanNH]

Froy,

Just curious, outside of Dennis, what groups do you listen too?

[froy]

Froy,

Just curious, outside of Dennis, what groups do you listen too?

Beatles
ELO
Supertramp
Journey
Kansas
John Fogerty
The Who
AC>Dc
Scorpians
Floyd
Zepplin
Classic Styx
Neil Diamond
YES
Genesis
The Cult
The Doors


Been to 500 concerts in 30 Years

Styx BTO first Concert
ELO 76 second concert .

[DarrenUK]

Fools Overture from Supertramps live in Paris release must be one of the best songs i have heard live....A masterpiece

[froy]

Fools Overture from Supertramps live in Paris release must be one of the best songs i have heard live....A masterpiece

You should see it live stunning visuals

[swwskj]

oh not to add more fuel to the fire, but if you've looked at the main page, you'll notice that there is going to be a Shaw/Blades cover CD coming out soon as well......

and froy, hearing one respected musician paying homage to another by interpreting the original song in their own style is another way to appreciate said original. i have always loved the Asia keyboard sound and to combine Geoff's style of play with songs that i was already familiar with made a nice listen.

i suppose that when you listen to Desert Moon, you must skip over 'Fire' because you can hear the Hendrix original, right? somehow i doubt it. but, to get back to your original point about the continued cash grab and bleeding of the 'franchise' name, i agree with you on that.

'hey styx, wanna play at superbowl pre-game'-"sure we got some Queen we've been dying to play"

'hey styx, wanna play at fenway park'-"sure, a concert after the game (sees $ signs) ?"-'nope just the anthem boys'

'hey look honey, styx charted on ipod'-"what dennis wrote another ballad?"-'nope doing a beattles song'

and so the story goes....

scott

[styxfanNH]

As I scrolled through the first page of this thread, I just realized that Andrew actually contributed to the content of this and didn't yell at someone for crossing the line. Just find it kiinda amusing.

On another note, if someone other than those that recorded the song, play the song, isn't it technically a cover?Just some food for thought...

[styxmike]

Is the Shaw/Blades cover cd and Styx not the same thing, there has been no "official" info yet? could the Styx guys just be guesting on Jack and Tommys project?????? this would piss on a lot of arguments!!!

[styxfanNH]

Seperate cd's.

Tommy and Jack started theirs over a year ago.

[Monker]

Its not an issue of has anyone done a cover cd
Its the issue of a band like Styx if you consider todays band Styx doing a cover 30 years into there so called carreer after 4 platinumm cds.

Why do you do this? Can't you just admit you are wrong? How many examples of this do you need? It's happened frequently...

I'll even throw out another...Chicago did "Night and Day", yet another album by a classic rock band that was all covers, and did OK.