First the Bad

[froy]

I live in Chicago and Froy is full of crap! I have not heard one person say that Styx is a joke. Froy is the joke!!!

Your not a Die Hard Styx fan thats why
Your a Sox fan and that say'it all
Styx is laughed at and so are you.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I'm not from Chicago, but if the current line-up was so big in Chicago again and accepted, I think their show last year at the Vic would've sold out right away. I know for a fact that various radio stations around the US, not just the Chicago area, gave away tickets to their listeners. I know for a fact that one station had 100 tickets to give away.

[froy]

I'm not from Chicago, but if the current line-up was so big in Chicago again and accepted, I think their show last year at the Vic would've sold out right away. I know for a fact that various radio stations around the US, not just the Chicago area, gave away tickets to their listeners. I know for a fact that one station had 100 tickets to give away.

Exactly a 2000 seat theater and the LOOP FM98 was giving away 4 packs all weekend hundreds of free tickets to make sure the place looked filled
That is why people laugh at current Styx there a joke and a bad one at that,

[Adam]

I suggest you consider how many tickets have been sold by current STYX in the past 5 years and divide that by 100.

You still won't have the TOTAL of DeYoung tickets sold in the same time frame.

I'm not putting anyone down, I'm merely pointing out the differences between DeYoung's method and Shaw's.

[sadie65]

I suggest you consider how many tickets have been sold by current STYX in the past 5 years and divide that by 100.

You still won't have the TOTAL of DeYoung tickets sold in the same time frame.

I'm not putting anyone down, I'm merely pointing out the differences between DeYoung's method and Shaw's.

One has nothing to do with the other in the context of this thread. Neither side will fill venues like they once did. That both are still touring and providing their fans with entertainment is more important at this point.

Peace,

Sadie

[Adam]

I completely agree with you Sadie. And I completely disagree with Froy.

[bugsymalone]

One has nothing to do with the other in the context of this thread. Neither side will fill venues like they once did. That both are still touring and providing their fans with entertainment is more important at this point.

Bingo!!

Bugsy

[Adam]

I've said it before and I'll say it again (at the risk of being redundant and boring), the "status" of the size of a venue has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the music - and ESPECIALLY should not be an issue on something like a STYX BULLETIN BOARD. Styx passed their mass appeal glory days years ago.

Brittney Spears and 50 Cent currently dominate. I don't suspect anyone checking in this board would consider them to be favorites, or even all that special.

Yet, Froy insists on using the attendence/size of venue argument as proof of something. I only mean to point out the holes in such a silly philosophy. My belief is that it's definitely MUCH BETTER to experience a great performance in an intimate venue, that "arena rock" is an outdated experience (not to mention financially a rip-off), and that both Styx and DeYoung are presently very worthwhile shows to Styx fans of old.

Missing 'the old days' is for losers.

[froy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again (at the risk of being redundant and boring), the "status" of the size of a venue has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the music - and ESPECIALLY should not be an issue on something like a STYX BULLETIN BOARD. Styx passed their mass appeal glory days years ago.

Brittney Spears and 50 Cent currently dominate. I don't suspect anyone checking in this board would consider them to be favorites, or even all that special.

Yet, Froy insists on using the attendence/size of venue argument as proof of something. I only mean to point out the holes in such a silly philosophy. My belief is that it's definitely MUCH BETTER to experience a great performance in an intimate venue, that "arena rock" is an outdated experience (not to mention financially a rip-off), and that both Styx and DeYoung are presently very worthwhile shows to Styx fans of old.

Missing 'the old days' is for losers.

You just keep talking to yourself you do a good job of it
The bottom line is that Styx for many years played in top notch venues in front of large crowds when they were a real band.
Now they are playing airports and a few thousand followers
If you want to glorify that more power to ya.

[ek88]

The bottom line is that Styx for many years played in top notch venues in front of large crowds when they were a real band.
Now they are playing airports and a few thousand followers
If you want to glorify that more power to ya.

I guess this argument would sway me a little more if it wasn't such a common trend among older performers. The ones who still play larger venues (even stadiums) generally have sold more albums during their careers than Styx (U2, Stones, etc). I think it's foolish to try and glorify what Styx and/or Dennis are doing these days in terms of attendance, albums sold, popularity, etc. It's not 1981 anymore. Neither are the latest and greatest in the public's eye these days. Just my opinion.

[Adam]

Perhaps I'm just talking to myself, but there are many more who agree than not.

"you do a good job of it"

Thanks.

"The bottom line is that Styx for many years played in top notch venues in front of large crowds when they were a real band.
Now they are playing airports and a few thousand followers
If you want to glorify that more power to ya."

And Dennis is playing 500 seat venues. Let's be real. Most acts diminish in popularity as time goes by. That's human nature, and it's worthy of acceptance, but it has nothing to do with the quality of their product.

I stand by it: both Styx AND DeYoung are presently offering excellent, professional shows every bit as good as when at the peak of their popularity. I don't require grandiosity in numbers to satisfy my musical appreciation, and I think it's foolish to spend your time distracted by the fact that it ain't as crowded as it once was. The older I get, the less I need pot-smoking drunks holding up their lighters during ballads.

[froy]

"The bottom line is that Styx for many years played in top notch venues in front of large crowds when they were a real band.
Now they are playing airports and a few thousand followers
If you want to glorify that more power to ya."

And Dennis is playing 500 seat venues.

In Mexico he's playing 12 thousand
The 500 seater in Milwaukee is because he wants it that way.

Let's be real. Most acts diminish in popularity as time goes by. That's human nature, and it's worthy of acceptance, but it has nothing to do with the quality of their product.

I agree not saying the quality of the product is bad
Im saying if the quality of the product was great why would you be playing airports?
Makes no sense to me..

I stand by it: both Styx AND DeYoung are presently offering excellent, professional shows every bit as good as when at the peak of their popularity.

Not even close only Dennis has held up that standard
Heck he has an Orchestra and great guest singers Mike Eldred ect
Current Styx does not come close to what former Styx has done
Not even close. Why do you insist on believing this?
They are playing airports Adam airports Come On Man.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Ek88 says:

It's not 1981 anymore.

Ah crud, no one told me - LOL

I'm still an 80's girl living the life still in the 80's

As for venues, again, I'd see any show with 500 people than a stadium/arena filled with 50,000 people. Just my opinion.

[ek88]

In Mexico he's playing 12 thousand

So what? Truly, froy, what does this matter and why is this better than playing to 10 people in an airport, if the people present at both locations are fans? I don't understand. If filling seats and selling albums is the be-all, end-all argument you make it, you better start accepting the reality that Eminem kicks the crap out of DDY and Styx, by your own standards. And so does Green Day. And so does Maroon 5. And so does Nelly. All of these artists are currently selling more albums than Styx. Some of them are topping Styx sales from back in the heyday.

But seriously, I'd like to know your honest opinion about what is so great about popularity and bigger venues, and the rest of the "My God Can Beat Up Your God" philosophy. Even Dennis doesn't agree with that.

[gr8dane]

From you buddyboy,more than once.

Lets take a look

I like seeing Styx with just a 1000 people or even less .Nice and cozy and no bad seat in the house.(or train station)

I like seeing Styx with Dennis and 20 thousand other Die Hard Styx fans going crazy during the entire show, Nothing like hearing them all singing word for word.

Again.I rather have the current Styx than no Styx.

You assume that current Styx would be the only Styx and that is where you are dead wrong. Dennis has said many times he would be in right now, Only JY and Shaw make it current Styx or no Styx

Again.I would prefer the old Styx,but that ain't ahappenin'.

Never say never and never give up

Again.Dennis is doin' his thing and Styx theirs.

And the Styx name is being dragged through the mud
I DON "T LIKE IT>

And there is nothing we can do about it.

Oh yes there is just don't buy a plane ticket


All the best , my friend.

Yep back at ya,[/quote]


Singing along with 20000 others word for word....
So you like karaoke then.???
I saw the Kilroy show (w/20000 others) ,and I thought I liked it and I wanted to like it but it was really not that great.
Now ,I was lucky enough to see the Cornerstone and Paradise theatre tour in Copenhagen (you now where that is froy), when I was growing up,
for 2000 people and that was pretty darn good.. I don't think with or without Dennis ,they are ever going to sell 20000 seats in one venue.
Just for the record(and I am not slagging),how many people were in the theatre where they recorded Return to paradise.
Styx's heyday is in the past.That's a fact Jack.
But I still love YOU(no not you froy,but Dennis,JY,Tommy and on and on.)

[styxfanNH]

Phish has played at an airport before to a little more than a pidley, 100,000+. Not that I would go. Not that this is how many people will be at the Styx concert. But today, promoters will put on concerts anywhere.

[gr8dane]

"The bottom line is that Styx for many years played in top notch venues in front of large crowds when they were a real band.
Now they are playing airports and a few thousand followers
If you want to glorify that more power to ya."

And Dennis is playing 500 seat venues.

In Mexico he's playing 12 thousand
The 500 seater in Milwaukee is because he wants it that way.

Let's be real. Most acts diminish in popularity as time goes by. That's human nature, and it's worthy of acceptance, but it has nothing to do with the quality of their product.

I agree not saying the quality of the product is bad
Im saying if the quality of the product was great why would you be playing airports?
Makes no sense to me..

I stand by it: both Styx AND DeYoung are presently offering excellent, professional shows every bit as good as when at the peak of their popularity.

Not even close only Dennis has held up that standard
Heck he has an Orchestra and great guest singers Mike Eldred ect
Current Styx does not come close to what former Styx has done
Not even close. Why do you insist on believing this?
They are playing airports Adam airports Come On Man.

I have seen some damn fine acts in bars with 50 people there.

Congrats Dennis for selling 12000 tickets to your show in Mexico.well done.