Ok What is the Real Scoop on DDY not in Styx anymore?

[Abitaman]

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[Abitaman]

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[Abitaman]

[froy]

HELP I'm STUPID, DON'T TELL FROY-eric

[kiddo]

"All I can say about it (Brave New World), is that it's an album of
missed opportunities," said DeYoung. "It could have and would have been a great Styx record, but I was shut out of everything. I was not allowed any input at all into the final tracks, the sequencing, or the album artwork." Touching upon the bland design on the album makes DeYoung livid. "Isn't that just about the ugliest album you have ever seen?," he asks. "I don't even want to go there. Don't get me started on the album's artwork."



It's my understanding Dennis wanted the album's artwork to be in part what ended up the cover for "While There's Still Time".

kiddo

[froy]

"All I can say about it (Brave New World), is that it's an album of
missed opportunities," said DeYoung. "It could have and would have been a great Styx record, but I was shut out of everything. I was not allowed any input at all into the final tracks, the sequencing, or the album artwork." Touching upon the bland design on the album makes DeYoung livid. "Isn't that just about the ugliest album you have ever seen?," he asks. "I don't even want to go there. Don't get me started on the album's artwork."



It's my understanding Dennis wanted the album's artwork to be in part what ended up the cover for "While There's Still Time".

kiddo

Looks like Shaw and JY turned there backs on Dennis even before he was sick and ousted from the band ,

The VW commercial was the reason at this point Shaw and Jim said if Dennis does not give us a part of the 500 grand we wont let him have anything to do with BNW and thats exactly what they did,

Go ahead blame Dennis its not his fault this time the controllers were Shaw and Jim

Shaw and Jim were the scammers all because of a few hunderd thousand dollars they had no buisness getting .

Classic Styx is dead because of a few hunderd grand thanks Shaw and Jim.

[Adam]

SuiteMadameBlue: As for the contracts regarding the business of the band Styx, each member signed the contracts!!

Adam: You are implying that everyone is happy with the contracts they sign. I assume that’s RARELY the case. In fact, I’d guess that 50% of contracts are uncomfortable compromises. (Ask anyone who’s been divorced how they feel about the fairness of the settlement.)

SuiteMadameBlue: If any of those members didn't like what was written, they could have walked away.

Adam: That’s true. And had DeYoung wanted to strong-arm his position, he could have given ultimatums like “either I get paid more or you don’t get to work” or “either I get to control this record or I’m not gonna MAKE this record”, then his bandmates very easily could’ve gone along with the lessor of two evils.

Given the choice of continuing on as a band, making a record, doing a tour, or not, I believe there were compromises made by the others. Which does NOT mean things were fair.

SuiteMadameBlue: I don't recall any member was "forced" to sign something they didn't want to sign.

Adam: That’s true. And I wonder how happy DeYoung is with the final agreement he made regarding his future with Styx (and you can be certain the settlement was a binding contract with all kinds of rules and regulations, including “gag” orders).
He went after them for control and walked away stripped of any future control of the band. From what we know of his personality, can you imagine he’s HAPPY with the outcome of the settlement?


Regarding DeYoung’s quote “I have produced every album since Equinox, even though it said Styx. I was the producer”, to my knowledge this has never been publicly verified by any other member of Styx, therefore it’s DeYoung’s word alone and NOT to be automatically considered as fact merely because he SAYS so. To follow your perspective, why would he have allowed the albums to be credited as “Produced By Styx” if they WEREN’T? Who was FORCING (to use your word) him to NOT take credit all those years?

SuiteMadameBlue: I personally think he's a GREAT producer. I think his albums that he produced did pretty good, if I'm not mistaken.

Adam: Yes he is. But everything he does isn’t beyond criticism. I suggest you go back and listen to his songs on Brave New World. I’d put Cyclorama’s production up against those anyday of the week.

By the way, I can imagine the other members of the group hurt by not being included in at least SOME of the VW advertising money. If DeYoung was an “all for one and one for all” kinda guy, he would’ve included his bandmates. To be fair, it WAS his perogative. But if what Froy says is true, it speaks volumes on who DeYoung was out for.

Sadie: Let's just be happy that each "side" is still performing and entertaining us.

Adam: Here here!

[sadie65]

SuiteMadameBlue: As for the contracts regarding the business of the band Styx, each member signed the contracts!!

Adam: You are implying that everyone is happy with the contracts they sign. I assume that’s RARELY the case. In fact, I’d guess that 50% of contracts are uncomfortable compromises. (Ask anyone who’s been divorced how they feel about the fairness of the settlement.)

Adam, I work with contracts every day. I don't necessarily agree. I think more often than not, if there isn't enough good in the contract for the person signing it, they simply won't sign.



SuiteMadameBlue: If any of those members didn't like what was written, they could have walked away.

Adam: That’s true. And had DeYoung wanted to strong-arm his position, he could have given ultimatums like “either I get paid more or you don’t get to work” or “either I get to control this record or I’m not gonna MAKE this record”, then his bandmates very easily could’ve gone along with the lessor of two evils.

Given the choice of continuing on as a band, making a record, doing a tour, or not, I believe there were compromises made by the others. Which does NOT mean things were fair.

Major speculation there Adam. Could have happened, but since we don't know the facts, I don't support what you say. Suite presented the absolute bare bone facts. You responded with theory and a narrow scenario. Not saying it's not possible, but simply...WE DON'T KNOW.



SuiteMadameBlue: I don't recall any member was "forced" to sign something they didn't want to sign.

Adam: That’s true. And I wonder how happy DeYoung is with the final agreement he made regarding his future with Styx (and you can be certain the settlement was a binding contract with all kinds of rules and regulations, including “gag” orders).
He went after them for control and walked away stripped of any future control of the band. From what we know of his personality, can you imagine he’s HAPPY with the outcome of the settlement?


Look, I doubt that any of them were completely happy with the settlement. Yes, they got to continue, but look at how hard they've had to work for half the amount of success. I'm sure he wasn't happy with the settlemetn, but I'd wager that has more to do with a nearly 30 year history with the band, as well as his professional identity. I agree there are rules and gags in place...as there should be. I think that's fair to all involved.



Regarding DeYoung’s quote “I have produced every album since Equinox, even though it said Styx. I was the producer”, to my knowledge this has never been publicly verified by any other member of Styx, therefore it’s DeYoung’s word alone and NOT to be automatically considered as fact merely because he SAYS so. To follow your perspective, why would he have allowed the albums to be credited as “Produced By Styx” if they WEREN’T? Who was FORCING (to use your word) him to NOT take credit all those years?


I don't doubt he had the responsibility. In many ways, the producer's job is thankless. Prior to success, they all had the same amount to lose. WIth success comes fracture of personalities and goals. How many interviews back in the day did the other members say Dennis was the leader. In a few they said..."natural" leader. I think he was...and I think at times he took it way too far. However, if we use Cyclorama...did they not all share writing credits on it? Will that be the case with every studio cd they put out? I think when any band is stariting out, before they become successful, they all share the good and bad.



SuiteMadameBlue: I personally think he's a GREAT producer. I think his albums that he produced did pretty good, if I'm not mistaken.

Adam: Yes he is. But everything he does isn’t beyond criticism. I suggest you go back and listen to his songs on Brave New World. I’d put Cyclorama’s production up against those anyday of the week.

I'd call it a tie. I do agree he's not above criticism. But I also like his work on BNW. (yes I know, I'm in the minority



By the way, I can imagine the other members of the group hurt by not being included in at least SOME of the VW advertising money. If DeYoung was an “all for one and one for all” kinda guy, he would’ve included his bandmates. To be fair, it WAS his perogative. But if what Froy says is true, it speaks volumes on who DeYoung was out for.

I totally disagree with you here. JY and Dennis were the only to re-record the material for the comercial. JY was paid. If someone isn't involved with it, why should they get paid for it? I don't think it's a negative about Dennis at all.

Sadie: Let's just be happy that each "side" is still performing and entertaining us.

Adam: Here here!

Adam, I respect your views and am only trying give a different view point.

Peace,

Sadie

[ek88]

You know, if there were some way we could summarize all the various posts on this thread into a couple paragraphs or less, I think we'd probably be pretty close to the truth. I'm sure nearly everything mentioned here played a part in the breakup, to some degree.

[styxfanNH]

And Froy forgets that Dennis purposefully cut Tommy out of the VW Commercial royalties because he and JY rerecorded it exclusively for the commercial. It wasn't a Styx recording for the commercial, it was a Dennis and Jy cover of a Styx tune. But then again, I just remembered that Dennis doesn't have a bad bone in his body and treats everyone he works with fairly.

[sadie65]

And Froy forgets that Dennis purposefully cut Tommy out of the VW Commercial royalties because he and JY rerecorded it exclusively for the commercial. It wasn't a Styx recording for the commercial, it was a Dennis and Jy cover of a Styx tune. But then again, I just remembered that Dennis doesn't have a bad bone in his body and treats everyone he works with fairly.

Stepping around the Froy comment here..."purposefully"???? I have never nominated Dennis for sainthood, but I've never heard this, read this, seen this comment other than here. Please enlighten me.

Sadie

[styxfanNH]

Sadie,

Here's the logic behind the above post.

Styx was able to rerecord Lady 95 due to a clause they had in their contract with BMG that allowed for covers or rerecords of the song to be done and not considerred to be the original recordings of the song.

In articles and interviews I have both read and seen with both Dennis and JY about the Volkswagon commercial, both have said that Volkswagon approached Dennis to use the song and that Dennis then called JY to rerecord the song for the commercial. Both were asked why they rerecorded the song and Dennis sidestepped the question and JY said you will have to ask Dennis. (Personally I believe JY knows why, but this was his way of side stepping the question)

The only reason that I can take away from this is that Dennis decided, after being contacted by Volkswagon, to re-record the song was intentional to cut those that had previously recorded the song from any money that would included from the commercial.

It's not a large leap from what is said and what we know about their record contracts. Rather putting pieces together to come to a conclusion. I could be wrong, but with the pieces that we hear and know, its not a very big stretch.

Also, other than from Froy, I have never seen anything that says that Dennis was paid $500,000 for use of the song and that he refused to share any of it. Nor have I seen anything elsewhere that this was the real reason Tommy and JY "kicked" Dennis out of the band. Just read it from Froy.

[sadie65]

Sadie,

Here's the logic behind the above post.

Styx was able to rerecord Lady 95 due to a clause they had in their contract with BMG that allowed for covers or rerecords of the song to be done and not considerred to be the original recordings of the song.

In articles and interviews I have both read and seen with both Dennis and JY about the Volkswagon commercial, both have said that Volkswagon approached Dennis to use the song and that Dennis then called JY to rerecord the song for the commercial. Both were asked why they rerecorded the song and Dennis sidestepped the question and JY said you will have to ask Dennis. (Personally I believe JY knows why, but this was his way of side stepping the question)

The only reason that I can take away from this is that Dennis decided, after being contacted by Volkswagon, to re-record the song was intentional to cut those that had previously recorded the song from any money that would included from the commercial.

It's not a large leap from what is said and what we know about their record contracts. Rather putting pieces together to come to a conclusion. I could be wrong, but with the pieces that we hear and know, its not a very big stretch.

Also, other than from Froy, I have never seen anything that says that Dennis was paid $500,000 for use of the song and that he refused to share any of it. Nor have I seen anything elsewhere that this was the real reason Tommy and JY "kicked" Dennis out of the band. Just read it from Froy.

I know nothing of the $500K that Froy refers to so I cannot comment. I appreciate what you say, but I don't necessarily agree. There could well have been other reasons forDennis and JY to be the only ones involved in re-recording it. It's convenient to say that it was deliberate without knowing the facts. Certainly there is a possibility, however too many pieces of the puzzle are missing to actually come to any concrete conclusion. However, I respect that you have. I think most on this board can manipulate and speculate (myself included) to make any scenario work to our liking, but bottom line is we simply don't know.

But I would agree, JY does know the reason why. The amount paid to any of them should remain a private matter.

Peace,

Sadie (who does appreciate the explanation BTW)

[Monker]

Calm it down folks....this topic was doomed from the start.

Yep...and I didn't even have to argue with Froy about anyway.

[Abitaman]

Now adays Dennis' voice isn't has high as the past. Listen to the VW commerical, and listen to Mr. Roboto from Kilroy. The same song? I think so! Where did you read these articles?-ERIC

[sadie65]

Now adays Dennis' voice isn't has high as the past. Listen to the VW commerical, and listen to Mr. Roboto from Kilroy. The same song? I think so! Where did you read these articles?-ERIC

I believe JY talks about it in the interview you can find on www.styxcollector.com

In addition...here's tw omore articals that mention re-recording the song for the commercial

http://www.80smusiccentral.com/123199.html

http://www.racerrecords.com/Styx/goldmine.html

Sadie

[gr8dane]

ADAM:

Notice ya never get a reply from anyone here Adam?
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Maybe Adam expresses himself clearly and to the point.I may not totally agree with him,but at least it is not full frontal onslaught against everything not to his liking.
Hmmnh,that reminds me of something,,,,,,,

[styxfanNH]

Thanks Sadie for digging that information out. Sometimes I can remember what I've read, but at this point I have read so many articles that It's getting herder to remember where I read it.

This is the segment from the racerecords link you provided.

In another TV appearance, a re-recorded bridge of "Mr. Roboto" was used to demonstrate the sound system for a Volkswagen Golf. "We re_recorded the track for the Volkswagen commercial," said JY. "We have to okay these things, so they can't do it without the writers' permission. The record company owned the original master, and they ultimately wanted more money than the people were willing to pay, but Dennis decided, being the writer of Roboto, asked me about what I thought about re_recording it, and I said why not, let's give it a shot. So we did. And the sale of our Greatest Hits albums doubled the week after that thing first hit."

[froy]

Now adays Dennis' voice isn't has high as the past. Listen to the VW commerical, and listen to Mr. Roboto from Kilroy. The same song? I think so! Where did you read these articles?-ERIC

I believe JY talks about it in the interview you can find on www.styxcollector.com

In addition...here's tw omore articals that mention re-recording the song for the commercial

http://www.80smusiccentral.com/123199.html

http://www.racerrecords.com/Styx/goldmine.html

Sadie

It may have been rerecorded but its sure sounds the same to me.

[froy]

The record company owned the original master, and they ultimately wanted more money than the people were willing to pay, but Dennis decided, being the writer of Roboto, asked me about what I thought about re_recording it, and I said why not, let's give it a shot. So we did. And the sale of our Greatest Hits albums doubled the week after that thing first hit."

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[color=orange]And when Dennis got paid for it and JY didn't this was the beginning of the end of Dennis, JY was pissed he wanted a share of the cake because he did back up harmonies on it, Dennis wrote it owned it took all the heat about it and now JY wants money for it ? Not a chance.
Just like JY doing a lawsuit for Show Me The Money ala Show Me The Way
Not his song either but he;s sueing people for money over it
Do you see the picture with JY money money money [/color]

[sadie65]

Now adays Dennis' voice isn't has high as the past. Listen to the VW commerical, and listen to Mr. Roboto from Kilroy. The same song? I think so! Where did you read these articles?-ERIC

I believe JY talks about it in the interview you can find on www.styxcollector.com

In addition...here's tw omore articals that mention re-recording the song for the commercial

http://www.80smusiccentral.com/123199.html

http://www.racerrecords.com/Styx/goldmine.html

Sadie

It may have been rerecorded but its sure sounds the same to me.

well I think that was the idea. Using a song to sell a product, you don't normally want it to sound different.

Sadie

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Can you tell the difference between both versions of "Lady"?

I'm sure most/all of the people on this board can. I have a few non-Styx friends that can't tell the difference.

(I can't believe that I have a few non-Styx friends - LOL)

[DarrenUK]

Well Suite I think we are all your friends in here and none of us are in Styx.......so theres a few for starters ...lol

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Oops , that didn't come out right, I meant that I have friends that don't care for the music of Styx. Most of my other friends enjoy the music of Dennis, Classic Styx and even Carrot Styx.

I knew what I was saying, it just didn't come out right - LOL (Like usual)

[Abitaman]

What? There are people out there that don't like the Music of Styx! Tell me who they are, and I will email them a Styx song each day, untill they do!-ERIC

[Ling_Chung]

Some like DDY some don't, some like Hagar, some like Roth, some like Gillan, some like Coverdale. The list goes on.

The simple answer is that JY & TS are out there playing some great rock music and DDY is where he belongs, on the stage. They have just grown apart are are now interested in different types of music. Simple as that. Go and see Styx and enjoy it or go and see the hunchback if you prefer.

Time to move on.

[DarrenUK]

HERE HERE LING......

[Adam]

And the award goes to Ling Chung for the most sensible, concise statement of all time. We salute you! (And we will try our best to ignore the most-likely upcoming onslaught of disrespectful, socially inappropriate and adamantly opinionated replies by guess who...)

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Eric says:

What? There are people out there that don't like the Music of Styx! Tell me who they are, and I will email them a Styx song each day, untill they do!-ERIC

LOL, one of my sister in laws cannot stand any music by Styx, past or present. I've copied cd's for her, emailed her songs and continue to play Styx when she's over. I'm hoping she'll come around some day - LOL