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[Monker]

First off fill in members are not better than the originals period

Sorry, but you are wrong about that.

You can't be taken at face value.

then don't...see if I care.

The point is you and JY are dillusional.

Thank you!

MY point was just made,

The 'point' you have is: Gowan and Styx suk.

That is NOT a point, it's an opinion.

Not in Chicago there supposed home town

I believe you about as much as I believe the Perry fans who said Neal was fired from Journey.

The fact is 12 thousand less fans come

So? The fact is that enough come to keep the band going. I don't care if it is only one fan...it's enough.

12 thousand fans per show want Dennis back

Good. Get them to sign the petition that you propped up. Maybe then you'll have some kinda point. Until then, it is just more propaganda and hot air from you.

and I careless about JY and his respect

So, why should he care about your opinion of his words? Why should he not throw the assinine remarks some 'fans' make towards the band right back in their face? He's obviously (IMO) not talking to Styx fans...but those who are STILL bitter that Dennis is no longer in the band, and most likely will NEVER be there again.

And STYX is no longer wanted by the fans

You're wrong. Again, enough fans buy the albums to keep them signed to a large label. Enough fans buy concert tickets and go to the shows to keep them on the road CONSTANTLY. Styx is wanted by PLENTY of fans.

You, and 'fans' like you, are not needed by the band. You are an insignificant, whiney, little group of babies who cry because the band does not do what you want them to do.

Sounds like there the ones who lose.

What have I lost? I love Cyclorama. I love BBT. I have not been disapointed by the concerts I have seen since Dennis left. In fact, I have probably consumed a LOT more Styx then I would have even been offered if Dennis was still in the band.

Yea there are fans a few thousand left I guess.

And, that fact must drive your hatred even deeper.

[froy]

First off fill in members are not better than the originals period

Sorry, but you are wrong about that.

Thats it ?
Is Augeri better than Perry ?
Was Cherone better than Roth
Was Ray Wilson Better than Collins
I can go on and on to prove my point but I know you won't listen,
Your not here to admit your wrong your just here to keep the fight going.

[Adam]

Froy: fill in members are not better than the originals period
Adam: Oh? Was Steve Howe worse than Peter Banks? Was Linsay Buckingham worse than Peter Banks?

I just don't believe there are ANY such blanket rules as "'fill in' members are not better than the originals"

As far as talent wise, I agree with Froy, thats a matter of opinion...HOWVER, I believe JY is talking about technical ability. JY is a guitarist more than a singer. He likes heavy music. Therefore, the emphasis - for him - in on PLAYING. Tommy's a better player than Curlewski, Gowan's a better keyboardist (I'm talking about fingers here) than DeYoung, Phillips is technically a more proficient bassist than Chuck, and I know this is possibly an uncool thing to say, but Todd is superior to John P. From where JY's standing, from his POV, Styx IS a better band right now.

Is he accurate when he calls it the 'best line up ever'? If there was a more susinct definition for the word "better" maybe I could say, but there ain't so I can't. "Best" would best suit the opinion category.

As far as singing goes, that's up to opinion as well. Perhaps Gowan has less vocal problems than DeYoung. Maybe having EVERYONE able to sing in a 5 man group is a more secure situation for him than only three.

And for the record, if someone has the opinion that Gowan has a "great voice" that's okay. Some people HATE DeYoung's voice - does that mean DeYoung sucks?

Consider this a little primer in opinions. (You know what THEY'RE like - and that EVERYONE'S got one)

[NealIsGod]

Steve Perry was a fill in, not an original member.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Styx is fading away even less then Journey is. At least Styx didn't give their CD away.

Eat it, Monkey.
At least Journey fans can take comfort in knowing there's nary a cover track to be found on the band's new album.
We'll see just how well Styx does when they have a new cd full of original material to promote and not just covers of familiar, well-known toe-tappers. Considering just how well Cyclorama charted (and by that I mean "horribly") they very well might be pursuing the "give-a-away" option, too.

My Prediction:

The next Styx cd with original material on it will be countered with a modicum of cover songs on it, as well, so to try to replicate some of the same success as BBT (and by covers, I don't mean the umpteenth alternative rendition of "Blue Collar Man" or "Fooling Yourself". I mean, non-Styx rock covers like found on BBT)

[Guest]

Yeah, but there's nary a cover track to be found on Journey's new album.
We'll see just how well Styx does when they have a new cd full of original material to promote and not just familiar covers.
Considering how well Cyclorama charted they might pursue the "give-a-away" option, as well.

Who cares... both bands are pathetic shells of themselves.

[froy]

Steve Perry was a fill in, not an original member.

Not so sure about that
He joined the band did not fill in for Flieshman
Rollie was the singer before Perry

[The_Noble_Cause]

Steve Perry was a fill in, not an original member.

Not so sure about that
He joined the band did not fill in for Flieshman
Rollie was the singer before Perry

Well, Perry did cover songs which Fleishman wrote and sang with the band initially.
Doesn't that count?

[froy]

Steve Perry was a fill in, not an original member.

Not so sure about that
He joined the band did not fill in for Flieshman
Rollie was the singer before Perry

Well, Perry did cover songs which Fleishman wrote and sang with the band initially.
Doesn't that count?

If you want it to count it will count,

[Monker]

Thats it ?
Is Augeri better than Perry ?

Yes. Perry can no longer sing Journey songs in the octave they were written. I'd MUCH rather hear and see Augeri sing Journey songs then Perry.

Was Cherone better than Roth

Yes. But, the songs written for Gary Cherone sucked. He is an awesome singer and performer. The VH deal completely packaged Cherone and VH in the wrong way.

Was Ray Wilson Better than Collins

I don't know, and I couldn't care less.

Your not here to admit your wrong your just here to keep the fight going.

No, that's YOUR job...You are an endless, mindless, pit of "Styx stynx and Gowan should get goin and stuff."

I'm just here to add my thoughts and opinions and go with the flow of the forum...and this is where it has been Gowan for months. I'm tired of swimming upstream and looking to talk positive about Styx and seeing topics and posts being distracted by this endless DeBate.

[Monker]

At least Journey fans can take comfort in knowing there's nary a cover track to be found on the band's new album.

...and when it comes out that Generations went Gold, or Platinum, it will mean a LOT less to me as a fan since Journey had to play with the system to get it there.

Styx entered the top fifty on the album charts legitimately...that matters. Giving it away to add up sales for a platinum album IS LAME...and that is one reason Neal gave for doing it.

Considering just how well Cyclorama charted (and by that I mean "horribly") they very well might be pursuing the "give-a-away" option, too.

Since Styx is signed to Universal, and Journey is signed to Journey (in the US), I think the situation is different and I doubt that giving the CD away is even an option that the label would consider for Styx.

The next Styx cd with original material on it will be countered with a modicum of cover songs on it, as well, so to try to replicate some of the same success as BBT (and by covers, I don't mean the umpteenth alternative rendition of "Blue Collar Man" or "Fooling Yourself". I mean, non-Styx rock covers like found on BBT)

Nope...not going to happen. We'll see another Cyclorama...with a small improvement in sales. I doubt anybody is expecting a gold or platinum album...even the label.

[froy]

Styx entered the top fifty on the album charts legitimately...that matters.

Copying music is not legitimately its short cutting
Journey giving away cds with tickets is not a big deal
There not going after numbers like STYX seems to be.

Giving it away to add up sales for a platinum album IS LAME...and that is one reason Neal gave for doing it.

Really show us that quote will ya ,

[Guest]

Thats it ?
Is Augeri better than Perry ?

Yes. Perry can no longer sing Journey songs in the octave they were written. I'd MUCH rather hear and see Augeri sing Journey songs then Perry.

Was Cherone better than Roth

Yes. But, the songs written for Gary Cherone sucked. He is an awesome singer and performer. The VH deal completely packaged Cherone and VH in the wrong way.

Good God... is nothing sacred to you?

Cherone is not better than Roth... he's not even better than Hagar. Your level of ignorance is just appalling.

If it were up to you you'd find a John Lennon look alike and put The Beatles on tour.

If all you care about is how technically good a singer is and how well he/she shakes their ass, then go watch American Idol and be done with "Rock and Roll".

[Monker]

Copying music is not legitimately its short cutting

Blah, blah, blah. Nothing new from you. It doesn't change the FACT that it hit the charts and sold twice as much as YOU thought it would.

Journey giving away cds with tickets is not a big deal
There not going after numbers like STYX seems to be.

No, it's not a 'big deal'. But, again, when they start chanting how the album went gold, it will mean very little to me...

And, you're wrong. You have NOT been following what Neal has said about it...He 'knows' it will go platinum because "that's how many people we'll be performing to on this tour." Of course they are 'goint after the numbers'...in a VERY lame way.

[Guest]

Blah, blah, blah. Nothing new from you. It doesn't change the FACT that it hit the charts and sold twice as much as YOU thought it would.

20,000 copies...

The bar has really been lowered in Styxworld.

[Monker]

Good God... is nothing sacred to you?

Rock bands and the people in them are not sacred...only somebody with a completely warped mind would believe they are.

Cherone is not better than Roth...

Cherone can sing circles around DLR...he has an incredible voice. He would have been a better replacement for Freedy Mercury then Paul Rodgers.

Your level of ignorance is just appalling.

Considering your level of anger and hatred expressed on this forum, that's a compliment. Thank you very much.

If it were up to you you'd find a John Lennon look alike and put The Beatles on tour.

They can try if they want to. It isn't going to affect me any...kinda like the lame idea of reforming the Doors thirty years or so after Jim Morrison died. People will go if they want to, and stay home if they don't.

If all you care about is how technically good a singer is and how well he/she shakes their ass, then go watch American Idol and be done with "Rock and Roll".

If all you care about is your own selfishness and leave no room for anybody else to express themselves, then you are going to be one lonely person surrounded by nothing by yes-men.

One listen to "III Sides To Every Story" blew me away. Extreme's performances at "A Concert For Life" were the highlight of the show for me. VH did not do him justice and Cherone deserves MUCH more then being the scapegoat for crap that was written for him to sing on VHIII. It's too bad that Nuno is a better songwriter then Eddie, and that Cherone is a worse songwriter then DLR or Sammy.

[Guest]

One listen to "III Sides To Every Story" blew me away. Extreme's performances at "A Concert For Life" were the highlight of the show for me. VH did not do him justice and Cherone deserves MUCH more then being the scapegoat for crap that was written for him to sing on VHIII. It's too bad that Nuno is a better songwriter then Eddie, and that Cherone is a worse songwriter then DLR or Sammy.

I think "III Sides To Every Story" is a masterpiece... too bad all the other Extreme albums weren't very good other than a song or two.

Cherone might have "the chops" but he doesn't have a signature style... and while you might argue he's technically a better singer than Roth, that's not what rock n' roll is about.

The VH III is not all that bad, half the album is very good... but it's just not Van Halen.

What turned off A LOT of VH fans was Cherone prancing around on MTV's "Live From The 10 Spot" like a flaming Freddie Mercury. Sorry but that don't work in VH.

Beyong that, he's also proven with all of his various other projects (Tribe Of Judah, solo stuff) that there's more to it being able to sing.

I'll take a guy who can write with a unique style any day over the Bo Bice's of the world.

You like the Bo Bice's.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My Prediction:

The next Styx cd with original material on it will be countered with a modicum of cover songs on it, as well, so to try to replicate some of the same success as BBT (and by covers, I don't mean the umpteenth alternative rendition of "Blue Collar Man" or "Fooling Yourself". I mean, non-Styx rock covers like found on BBT)

Nope...not going to happen.

Monker-
Why are you so confidant that the next Styx cd won't have a few cover tracks on it along with original material? It only makes sense for them business-wise. Being that the only notable success this STYX incarnation has managed to attain has been through covers, why would they stop? Look at Rod Stewart or Michael McDonald, a covers release put them both back on top and they have subsequently returned to that well again and again (moreso in the case of Rod).
Not saying its a guarantee with Styx, just a hypothesis of mine, why are you so quick to shoot it down?

[Monker]

You like the Bo Bice's.

Perhaps it says something that I don't have a clue who Bo Bice is (sounds like some kinda scalp disease to me) and you do.

Nobody will ever convince me that Cherone didn't get a bad deal out of VH. The packaging was wrong, not the lead singer. If the songs were there and they did not try to make it "VH goes Extreme", it would have worked.

[Guest]

Nobody will ever convince me that Cherone didn't get a bad deal out of VH. The packaging was wrong, not the lead singer. If the songs were there and they did not try to make it "VH goes Extreme", it would have worked.

Maybe it's because radio changed and they didn't get a fair shot

[Monker]

Maybe it's because radio changed and they didn't get a fair shot

Nope. It's because the songs sucked. If Eddie could write a decent song without the need for a DLR or Hagar, then Cherone would have worked. Nobody wanted a funked up VH, which is how they were packaged...that was just a STOOPID idea.

[Guest]

Nope. It's because the songs sucked. If Eddie could write a decent song without the need for a DLR or Hagar, then Cherone would have worked. Nobody wanted a funked up VH, which is how they were packaged...that was just a STOOPID idea.

You mean "stupid", stupid.

And VH III was hardly "funked up"... puhleeze... it sure wasn't "party music" but it wasn't "funk".

Look up "funk" in the dictionary.

[Adam]

Monker: ...that was just a STOOPID idea.
ItsMyLife: You mean "stupid", stupid... puhleeze...
Adam: You mean "please", O Ever-Pleasant One

[Monker]

You mean "stupid", stupid.

Not in froyspeak, you eeediot.

And VH III was hardly "funked up"... puhleeze... it sure wasn't "party music" but it wasn't "funk".

No, it wasn't 'funk'. It was funked up VH.

[Guest]

No, it wasn't 'funk'. It was funked up VH.

No. Name one song that was "funked up".

[Adam]

Monker: black
ItsMyLife: white
Monker : Yes
ItsMyLife: No

[Guest]

Monker: black
ItsMyLife: white
Monker : Yes
ItsMyLife: No

Adam: Yessssss Monker... harder!
Monker: Aaaaaargggggggggggg

[Adam]

Geez, WHAT A CHARMER YOU MUST BE in person...I'll leave it that.

[Guest]

Geez, WHAT A CHARMER YOU MUST BE in person...I'll leave it that.

You're the one always posting imaginary quotes... I just figured I'd join in on the fun.

That was one of the funniest things I've ever posted.

[styxfanNH]

and the downward spiral continues.

Wonder how long it's gonna be til Andrew has had enuff and shuts this place down.....