No Styx A&M Re-Masters Planned

[Rockwriter]

And it's actually a good representation of those years,

Since it contains the entirelty of the band's output in those years, I should hope so!

Seriously, though, I agree that it made for a much better statement on the Wooden Nickel era than, say, that Best Of Styx compilation from '77. A great package for both the folks who hadn't heard this material before and those who just hadn't been able to find a decent release of it.

Prior to that I owned the shitty old RCA cassettes from the early 80s that were re-issued under different names like "Serpent', "Lady' and so on, that had the really stupid cartoon covers instead of the original covers. Sound quality was poor, packaging virtually non-existent. So I was glad that came out, just to experience that period the way the band intended. Of course, re-mastering an album that was as poorly recorded as 'The Serpent is Rising' is kinda like having a great artist come along and paint over a little kid's pencil sketch, LOL, but even so, the collection was done as well as the source tapes would allow. I've done 4-track demos on a Fostex that sound better than 'The Serpent Is Rising'. I'd love to hear some of that stuff re-recorded.

Sterling

[Blue Falcon]

Amazing. All of Stynx's contemporaries (Boston, Kansas, Foreigner, Rush, Zeppelin, Triumph, etc.) have remastered their back catalog. Boston, who can't even put out a friggin' studio album in less than eight years, even got around to remastering their catalog...and Triumph hasn't toured in 20 years and can't stand each other, yet they were still able to get together to remaster their legacy.

Just about every band from the 70s has remastered those albums, even The Police who couldn't stand the sight of each other either.

If this is about keeping more royalty $$$ from DDY, or not wanting him to be have input on the remasters, then it just further shows how far Stynx has fallen. Thanks a lot, JY.

[gr8dane]

Amazing. All of Stynx's contemporaries (Boston, Kansas, Foreigner, Rush, Zeppelin, Triumph, etc.) have remastered their back catalog. Boston, who can't even put out a friggin' studio album in less than eight years, even got around to remastering their catalog...and Triumph hasn't toured in 20 years and can't stand each other, yet they were still able to get together to remaster their legacy.

Just about every band from the 70s has remastered those albums, even The Police who couldn't stand the sight of each other either.

If this is about keeping more royalty $$$ from DDY, or not wanting him to be have input on the remasters, then it just further shows how far Stynx has fallen. Thanks a lot, JY.

If that is the case,it just proves what a prick Dennis was.
Another round of cocoa puffs there Falky?

[Blue Falcon]

Amazing. All of Stynx's contemporaries (Boston, Kansas, Foreigner, Rush, Zeppelin, Triumph, etc.) have remastered their back catalog. Boston, who can't even put out a friggin' studio album in less than eight years, even got around to remastering their catalog...and Triumph hasn't toured in 20 years and can't stand each other, yet they were still able to get together to remaster their legacy.

Just about every band from the 70s has remastered those albums, even The Police who couldn't stand the sight of each other either.

If this is about keeping more royalty $$$ from DDY, or not wanting him to be have input on the remasters, then it just further shows how far Stynx has fallen. Thanks a lot, JY.

If that is the case,it just proves what a prick Dennis was.
Another round of cocoa puffs there Falky?

What I'm saying is that Stynx seems willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Many folks, including me, would buy remastered albums, but they don't seem to want to invest the time and effort to do so because it means some money will go into DDY's wallet.

And yes, I'm cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

[stabbim]

Many folks, including me, would buy remastered albums, but they don't seem to want to invest the time and effort to do so because it means some money will go into DDY's wallet.

Uh...exactly what are you basing that supposition upon, sir?

[Rockwriter]

Many folks, including me, would buy remastered albums, but they don't seem to want to invest the time and effort to do so because it means some money will go into DDY's wallet.

Uh...exactly what are you basing that supposition upon, sir?

Honestly I think that's a big stretch. I really do think that the band's focus is elsewhere right now, promoting the band as it currently exists, and re-masters probably are not top of the list. But I don't think it's an attempt to deny Dennis anything, since in so doing they would be denying themselves as well. I think when the years of hard touring are over, we'll see them turn their attention more to the catalog.

Sterling

[StyxCollector]

Too bad there's no demos or unreleased tracks in the vault. I bet if they existed and the band agreed to have 'em released, A&M/Uni would be more interested - and the band would make much more money should they choose to remaster everything.

[styxfansite]

Too bad there's no demos or unreleased tracks in the vault. I bet if they existed and the band agreed to have 'em released, A&M/Uni would be more interested - and the band would make much more money should they choose to remaster everything.

I still would like to hear the TW4 demo that they did that is talked about some in Sterlings Book. I have heard that Best Thing and Lorelie are both on it as well as other's.

[Rockwriter]

Too bad there's no demos or unreleased tracks in the vault. I bet if they existed and the band agreed to have 'em released, A&M/Uni would be more interested - and the band would make much more money should they choose to remaster everything.

I still would like to hear the TW4 demo that they did that is talked about some in Sterlings Book. I have heard that Best Thing and Lorelie are both on it as well as other's.

Believe it or not, there's even supposed to be an early demo of TW4 doing some country songs. I think they might have traded that for some studio time at one point. At least that's what I've heard. That would be interesting if only to see what they sounded like. With all the vocal talent in that band, they could have sounded great on Eagles-type stuff.


Sterling

[Blue Falcon]

I think when the years of hard touring are over, we'll see them turn their attention more to the catalog.

Sterling

That's the problem...as long as JY and Tommy need $$$ for alimony payments and medical bills due to past drug abuse, it looks like they plan to keep Styx on the road until 2019.

[styxfanNH]

I think when the years of hard touring are over, we'll see them turn their attention more to the catalog.

Sterling

That's the problem...as long as JY and Tommy need $$$ for alimony payments and medical bills due to past drug abuse, it looks like they plan to keep Styx on the road until 2019.

This really is old.

[rajah2165]

I think when the years of hard touring are over, we'll see them turn their attention more to the catalog.

Sterling

That's the problem...as long as JY and Tommy need $$$ for alimony payments and medical bills due to past drug abuse, it looks like they plan to keep Styx on the road until 2019.

And let's not forget Chuck. Who is paying for those AIDS treatments?

Maybe that is why you can't find a Grand Illusion or Paradise Theater in stores anymore and can only find Extended Versions and ON The River's Edge... They must make more from those.

And I recall Dennis saying once in an interview that record companies always wanted to release material in multiple collections/greatest hits etc. packages under the Styx name. And the band had sole control of when and what was released. And he purposely restricted the use of the record company ever putting out Styx compilations. Now that he is out of the picture, the guys have run rampant with that shit, signed their lives over to the record company, and you see what happens. Not even the best Styx albums are in record stores anymore. Its a bunch of retread crap that probably gives them bigger commisions and once again waters down the brand. The brand is a joke now.

Way to go guys.

[Jodes]

So Best Of Styx, A&M Classics Volume 15, Styx Greatest Hits (Cdn), Styx Greatest Hits Volume 1, Styx Greatest Hits Volume 2, Styx Extended Versions and not to mention all of those "compilations" released in other countries weren't released when Dennis WAS IN THE BAND?

Last time I checked all of those albums were released when Dennis was still in the band making decisions..

Oh and here in Edmonton, I could go to Best Buy, Future Shop, or HMV and find not only GH packages, but Said Grand Illusion, Equinox, Paradise Theater, hell I can even find the Early 90's Canada only Greatest Hits collection..

[stabbim]

And I recall Dennis saying once in an interview that record companies always wanted to release material in multiple collections/greatest hits etc. packages under the Styx name. And the band had sole control of when and what was released. And he purposely restricted the use of the record company ever putting out Styx compilations.

Best Of Styx (1977)
Caught In The Act (1984)
A&M Classics (1987)
Styx Greatest Hits (1995)
Styx Greatest Hits II (1996)
The Best Of Times: The Best Of Styx (1997)
Return To Paradise (1997)

All created and marketed whilst DDY was in the band.

And all of them, plus all of the original studio albums, are available here. Not to mention here, here, here, and here, and another dozen outlets besides.

So ...what were we bitching about, again?



(edit: drat & blast, Jodes beat me to it )

[blt man]

So Best Of Styx, A&M Classics Volume 15, Styx Greatest Hits (Cdn), Styx Greatest Hits Volume 1, Styx Greatest Hits Volume 2, Styx Extended Versions and not to mention all of those "compilations" released in other countries weren't released when Dennis WAS IN THE BAND?

Last time I checked all of those albums were released when Dennis was still in the band making decisions..

Oh and here in Edmonton, I could go to Best Buy, Future Shop, or HMV and find not only GH packages, but Said Grand Illusion, Equinox, Paradise Theater, hell I can even find the Early 90's Canada only Greatest Hits collection..

Thats impressive actually. The only thing that turns up in Toronto (other than at the flagship record stores) is Greatest Hits 1 and some horrible 20th century masters Universal Canada release.

[rajah2165]

And I recall Dennis saying once in an interview that record companies always wanted to release material in multiple collections/greatest hits etc. packages under the Styx name. And the band had sole control of when and what was released. And he purposely restricted the use of the record company ever putting out Styx compilations.

Best Of Styx (1977)
Caught In The Act (1984)
A&M Classics (1987)
Styx Greatest Hits (1995)
Styx Greatest Hits II (1996)
The Best Of Times: The Best Of Styx (1997)
Return To Paradise (1997)

All created and marketed whilst DDY was in the band.

And all of them, plus all of the original studio albums, are available here. Not to mention here, here, here, and here, and another dozen outlets besides.

So ...what were we bitching about, again?



(edit: drat & blast, Jodes beat me to it )

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So here goes...

Best Of Styx (1977)[/i - Wooden Nickel - styx did not own the rights to those songs. Wooden Nickel could repackage anyway they wanted to.

[i]Caught In The Act (1984) - Legitimate live album (first ever for the band)

A&M Classics (1987) - One time A&M special release - only greatest hits album at that point

Styx Greatest Hits (1995) - Agreed to updating of Classics by including Lady, adding SMTW, and replacing Light Up with bigger hit Loreiei
Styx Greatest Hits II (1996) - Per the article I mentioned (don't know the source but someone here must) Dennis was AGAINST this album being released, but was voted down by Tommy and JY. Tommy needed to pay those medical bills from those years of Coke and Heroin addiction.
The Best Of Times: The Best Of Styx (1997) - Canada and European release of Greatest Hits - not released in the US. Their version of GH.
Return To Paradise (1997) - Live album celebrating the reunion with 3 new songs. Different songs than Caught In The Act and a better version.

Now since DDY has left....

Extended Versions
Gold
Yesterday and Today
Arch Allies
20th century Masters
At The Rivers Edge
21st Century Live
Styxworld live 2001
Rockers

That would be 9 pieces of crap released since he is gone and 9 albums that are in the Styx section and replace the studio classics.

Before you post, do your research.

[rajah2165]

So Best Of Styx, A&M Classics Volume 15, Styx Greatest Hits (Cdn), Styx Greatest Hits Volume 1, Styx Greatest Hits Volume 2, Styx Extended Versions and not to mention all of those "compilations" released in other countries weren't released when Dennis WAS IN THE BAND?

Last time I checked all of those albums were released when Dennis was still in the band making decisions..

Oh and here in Edmonton, I could go to Best Buy, Future Shop, or HMV and find not only GH packages, but Said Grand Illusion, Equinox, Paradise Theater, hell I can even find the Early 90's Canada only Greatest Hits collection..

See my response above.

And Extended Versions? Wrong Again.

From Amazon
Product Details

Audio CD (February 1, 2000)
Original Release Date: February 1, 2000
Number of Discs: 1


That would have been after they kicked him out, but were still using his likeness to sell more records and tickets.

[LifeGiver]

To me, Arch Allies is the greatest Live album of all time. I put it up there with Frampton Comes Alive.

-Shane

[Zan]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

[rajah2165]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

[stmonkeys]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

oh yeah... that's the cruelest, most insulting slam i've ever read.

[rajah2165]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

oh yeah... that's the cruelest, most insulting slam i've ever read.

Hey Stmonkeys, here's a paper towel for you..your nose really needs to be cleaned up.

[stmonkeys]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

oh yeah... that's the cruelest, most insulting slam i've ever read.

Hey Stmonkeys, here's a paper towel for you..your nose really needs to be cleaned up.

oh gee thanks. but i think YOU'RE the one who needs to wipe up all the crap you've been spewing over the past few years. time to grow up already. :::yawn:::

[gr8dane]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

You think you're going to be OK there rajahkins.
I am with you on this one.Can I get you a soother or maybe your favorite teddy.OK,I'll get you both.
Now off you go .....tut tut

[rajah2165]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

oh yeah... that's the cruelest, most insulting slam i've ever read.

Hey Stmonkeys, here's a paper towel for you..your nose really needs to be cleaned up.

oh gee thanks. but i think YOU'RE the one who needs to wipe up all the crap you've been spewing over the past few years. time to grow up already. :::yawn:::

Ouch..mommy! that really hurt

I think I am going to go into a deep depresion now after that one.

[Zan]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

Here, allow me to do it in my non sarcastic way for ya: You are a cyber cockroach. You are the very thing you so vehemently "protest." You are a whiner, a tattle-tale, a nuisence, a proverbial fly hovering over the picnic of life. You sir, are your own parody, a joke, a farce. You are matter and anti-matter at the same time. It's a wonder you don't spontaeously combust.

[stabbim]

Ouch..mommy! that really hurt

I think I am going to go into a deep depresion now after that one.

Pssst... wrong character....

[stabbim]

And I recall Dennis saying once in an interview that record companies always wanted to release material in multiple collections/greatest hits etc. packages under the Styx name. And the band had sole control of when and what was released. And he purposely restricted the use of the record company ever putting out Styx compilations.

Best Of Styx (1977) - Wooden Nickel - styx did not own the rights to those songs. Wooden Nickel could repackage anyway they wanted to.

So, not so much with the "sole control" in that instance.

Caught In The Act (1984) - Legitimate live album (first ever for the band)

No more "legit" than any other (in fact, less so, depending on how strict we want to to be with the definition of a "live album," but that's neither here nor there.) If post-99 live albums are fair game, so's this.

A&M Classics (1987) - One time A&M special release - only greatest hits album at that point

So the "purposely restricted the use of the record company ever putting out Styx compilations" decree was put into place after this one, then?

Styx Greatest Hits (1995) - Agreed to updating of Classics by including Lady, adding SMTW, and replacing Light Up with bigger hit Loreiei

Oh, I guess not. Still a compiltaion, and a largely repackaged version of one already existing at that. Still out there on the market. Still "diluting the brand."

Styx Greatest Hits II (1996) - Per the article I mentioned (don't know the source but someone here must) Dennis was AGAINST this album being released, but was voted down by Tommy and JY.

And CP/JP, if in fact it came to a vote...but since you have no cite (what was that about "doing research?") we're going to call this hearsay for the time being. If/when you can ever prove it's true, we'll go on to discuss how it contradicts the "purposely restricted the use of the record company ever putting out Styx compilations" bit. (On a side note, it's both amusing and appropriate that if the story is true, this would be the compilation that he would choose to bellyache about.)

The Best Of Times: The Best Of Styx (1997) - Canada and European release of Greatest Hits - not released in the US. Their version of GH.

I didn't know we were only caring about US releases. Nevertheless, still exists. Still readily available. Still "diluting the brand."

Return To Paradise (1997) - Live album celebrating the reunion with 3 new songs. Different songs than Caught In The Act and a better version.

And StyxWorld has different songs than this one. Again, either all live albums are fair game or none are.

Now since DDY has left....

Extended Versions
Gold
Yesterday and Today
Arch Allies
20th century Masters
At The Rivers Edge
21st Century Live
Styxworld live 2001
Rockers

That would be 9 pieces of crap released since he is gone and 9 albums that are in the Styx section and replace the studio classics.

So, it's a numbers game, then? 9 is two more than 7, I'll grant you that. But all the rest of your excuses basically boil down to "the others were Ok because DDY was in the band at the time," which perhaps is what you should have just said in the first place instead of...you know, the other thing.

And again, none of this changes the fact that all of the original albums in the Styx discography are still in print, still widely available, and not in danger of being supplanted any time soon.

[styxfanNH]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

Here, allow me to do it in my non sarcastic way for ya: You are a cyber cockroach. You are the very thing you so vehemently "protest." You are a whiner, a tattle-tale, a nuisence, a proverbial fly hovering over the picnic of life. You sir, are your own parody, a joke, a farce. You are matter and anti-matter at the same time. It's a wonder you don't spontaeously combust.

Nope, no sarcasm there. Straight forward, direct and to the point.

And as I don't know what kind you like Rajah, here is something to go with your whine....

[rajah2165]

I love it when idiots who have no information try to post with an air of authority.

So it would seem.

Note everyone - Zan slams me in her sarcastic way. Its not just a one way street.

Here, allow me to do it in my non sarcastic way for ya: You are a cyber cockroach. You are the very thing you so vehemently "protest." You are a whiner, a tattle-tale, a nuisence, a proverbial fly hovering over the picnic of life. You sir, are your own parody, a joke, a farce. You are matter and anti-matter at the same time. It's a wonder you don't spontaeously combust.

Your words speak volumes.