DDY ...Crossing The Rubicon

[Grotelul]

Best thing he has done since Paradise Theater


Anyone agree ?

I don't really care for it. He can do much better than this and I really don't see what the fascination is with this song. It's mediocre and you can't even compare it to his work in Styx prior to Kilroy. I don't care that to some it "sounds like Styx"...it isn't. One With Everything blows this tune out of the water.

[DarwinNebraska]

One With Everything blows this tune out of the water.

No way Jose.... it's better than anything on Cyclorama.

[sadie65]

Best thing he has done since Paradise Theater


Anyone agree ?

I don't really care for it. He can do much better than this and I really don't see what the fascination is with this song. It's mediocre and you can't even compare it to his work in Styx prior to Kilroy. I don't care that to some it "sounds like Styx"...it isn't. One With Everything blows this tune out of the water.

Fair enough. For me, I like the lyrics a great deal. I prefer the song to OWE. I think people are more "forgiving" and "allowing" of one over the other. I think that's human nature.

[classicstyxfan]

I like Rubicon a lot, I really do.........BUT, if I had to choose between it and O.W.E. at least right now I'd go with the latter.

I guess I'll be turning in my secret DeYoungian membership card now

If it's any consolation to the fraternity, I prefer 100 years to Cyclorama overall.

[sadie65]

I like Rubicon a lot, I really do.........BUT, if I had to choose between it and O.W.E. at least right now I'd go with the latter.

I guess I'll be turning in my secret DeYoungian membership card now

If it's any consolation to the fraternity, I prefer 100 years to Cyclorama overall.

For shame!!! Hang your head in shame young man. How dare you have a preference for something other than DeYoung. Where is your lemming tendency? Having a personal preference....the nerve.

Though I do really think OWE is a solid tune.

Do not let this happen again. So notes probationary period

[StyxCollector]

One With Everything blows this tune out of the water.

No way Jose.... it's better than anything on Cyclorama.

Well, there are some good songs on Cyclorama, and I can see doing the more direct comparison of Rubicon with OWE or "These Are The Times". If you're talking more Styx-esque, Rubicon is more Styx-like. OWE and TAtT are good songs, but also can't be compared to classic Styx and don't really sound like classic Styx.

It's all perpective ...

[Zan]

OWE and TAtT are good songs, but also can't be compared to classic Styx and don't really sound like classic Styx.

It's all perpective ...

You mean they don't sound like they were recorded in the 80s? I agree.

[StyxCollector]

OWE and TAtT are good songs, but also can't be compared to classic Styx and don't really sound like classic Styx.

It's all perpective ...

You mean they don't sound like they were recorded in the 80s? I agree.

Well partly. The production value is much higher than some of the Styx and related projects post-1983, but I was talking more in terms of songwriting. Styx was never a prog band, and OWE has elements of more classic Styx, but isn't a Styx tune in the classic vein that if you heard it you'd equate it to Styx. TAtT has more of that overall.

You can't really compare now to the past easily, and I hate it when bands try to say that it is like the older stuff (see: "we're returning to our roots" and then you hear it and it sounds nothing like it).

And I hope people realize it's their own mishegas trying to want the 50+ year old members of Styx to sound like (and write and record like) and retain the "image" of 30 years ago. If you can appreciate OWE or Rubicon for what they are, you'd be better off instead of trying to compare them to prior glories.

[DarwinNebraska]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Like it or not, but Dennis was *all over* the place on Styx albums... if he wasn't singing lead he was featured prominently in the background vocals.

To me, aside from the music itself.... that's a big reason "100 Years From Now" *feels* like Styx much more so than Cyclo.

[Zan]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Like it or not, but Dennis was *all over* the place on Styx albums... if he wasn't singing lead he was featured prominently in the background vocals.

To me, aside from the music itself.... that's a big reason "100 Years From Now" *feels* like Styx much more so than Cyclo.

Right. Because Dennis DeYoung is only missing *2* key ingredients of "classic" Styx sound.

Boy, one of these days you're going to hear a loud popping sound...

[elmotano]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Like it or not, but Dennis was *all over* the place on Styx albums... if he wasn't singing lead he was featured prominently in the background vocals.

To me, aside from the music itself.... that's a big reason "100 Years From Now" *feels* like Styx much more so than Cyclo.

Right. Because Dennis DeYoung is only missing *2* key ingredients of "classic" Styx sound.

Boy, one of these days you're going to hear a loud popping sound...

Can't wait for that day, someone give that boy a Darwin Award!

[stabbim]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Right. Because Dennis DeYoung is only missing *2* key ingredients of "classic" Styx sound.

Well, for some folks, a band is all about one guy. (Or at least, in the parlance or Orwell, all band members are equal but some band members are more equal than others.) Objectively it may be a sort of scotoma, but it's valid for them. I really learned that lesson with the release of 100 Years and the subsequent reaction in places like MR: some people just get something very different from their experience of Styx than others do.

No wonder the band was such a headache to market back in the day.

[Zan]

Well, for some folks, a band is all about one guy. (Or at least, in the parlance or Orwell, all band members are equal but some band members are more equal than others.) Objectively it may be a sort of scotoma, but it's valid for them. I really learned that lesson with the release of 100 Years and the subsequent reaction in places like MR: some people just get something very different from their experience of Styx than others do.

No wonder the band was such a headache to market back in the day.

A appreciate that aspect. There have been times in my life when I have favored different Styx styles over others too. In fact, it changes frequently. However, the irrational/illogical mindset that accompanies the band being about one guy disturbs me on many levels.

[gr8dane]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Like it or not, but Dennis was *all over* the place on Styx albums... if he wasn't singing lead he was featured prominently in the background vocals.

To me, aside from the music itself.... that's a big reason "100 Years From Now" *feels* like Styx much more so than Cyclo.

Right. Because Dennis DeYoung is only missing *2* key ingredients of "classic" Styx sound.

Boy, one of these days you're going to hear a loud popping sound...

Nice one.

[gr8dane]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Like it or not, but Dennis was *all over* the place on Styx albums... if he wasn't singing lead he was featured prominently in the background vocals.

To me, aside from the music itself.... that's a big reason "100 Years From Now" *feels* like Styx much more so than Cyclo.

Fascinating.

Why buy any Styx at all.
Just buy the Dennis solo albums and they are just so much more Styx than Styx.

[StyxCollector]

A appreciate that aspect. There have been times in my life when I have favored different Styx styles over others too. In fact, it changes frequently. However, the irrational/illogical mindset that accompanies the band being about one guy disturbs me on many levels.

Like you are surprised? Look at the Perry Loons, Augeri Wigglers, etc. on the Journey side. Same type of thing. But then again, you don't hear people bitching that Gregg Rolie left lol

A normal fan of a band will go through phases where different albums, songs, or eras will appeal to them more (for whatever reason). They may even have a preferred band member, but it was never Dennis DeYoung or Tommy Shaw with his backing band Styx.

[Zan]

A normal fan of a band will go through phases where different albums, songs, or eras will appeal to them more (for whatever reason). They may even have a preferred band member, but it was never Dennis DeYoung or Tommy Shaw with his backing band Styx.

...and the Operative Word of the Day Award goes to.............
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"NORMAL"

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Thanks for playing, Allan. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

[DarwinNebraska]

The current line-up of Styx is *never* going to sound like classic Styx because they're missing one big ingredient.... Dennis DeYoung.

Like it or not, but Dennis was *all over* the place on Styx albums... if he wasn't singing lead he was featured prominently in the background vocals.

To me, aside from the music itself.... that's a big reason "100 Years From Now" *feels* like Styx much more so than Cyclo.

Right. Because Dennis DeYoung is only missing *2* key ingredients of "classic" Styx sound.

Boy, one of these days you're going to hear a loud popping sound...

It's not a stretch to say Dennis influenced the Styx sound more than any other member.... he was the primary songwriter, sang at least half the tunes, produced the band... and again his voice was prominent in the background vocals.

Accept it and move on with your life.

[DarwinNebraska]

Fascinating.

Why buy any Styx at all.
Just buy the Dennis solo albums and they are just so much more Styx than Styx.

I haven't spent 2 cents on Styx since Dennis was ousted.

On the other hand, I've purchsed much of what Dennis has released.

[DarwinNebraska]

A appreciate that aspect. There have been times in my life when I have favored different Styx styles over others too. In fact, it changes frequently. However, the irrational/illogical mindset that accompanies the band being about one guy disturbs me on many levels.

I never said the band was "about one guy", however I said that Dennis was a BIG ingredient in the Styx sound... without him it's not the same FOR ME.

I don't doubt you're disturbed as there's plenty of evidence to support that.

[gr8dane]

Fascinating.

Why buy any Styx at all.
Just buy the Dennis solo albums and they are just so much more Styx than Styx.

I haven't spent 2 cents on Styx since Dennis was ousted.

On the other hand, I've purchsed much of what Dennis has released.

I don't doubt that.

I don't doubt that.

What I meant,how you became a Styx fan in the first place.?
With so many in the band lacking talent,and only one guy worth his salt.
Wouldn't that make for very mediocre albums in the first place.
You must have been in heaven when Desert Moon came out.
No one but Dennis, with hired lackeys a 100 times better than anything the other Styx guys could possibly muster.

[DarwinNebraska]

What I meant,how you became a Styx fan in the first place.?
With so many in the band lacking talent,and only one guy worth his salt.
Wouldn't that make for very mediocre albums in the first place.
You must have been in heaven when Desert Moon came out.
No one but Dennis, with hired lackeys a 100 times better than anything the other Styx guys could possibly muster.

Where did I ever say everyone else is lacking in talent?

You need to accept the fact that some people don't like Styx without Dennis.

Dennis brought something unique to the band and without him they're just another rock band.

Accept it and move on with your life.

[Zan]

Dennis brought something unique to the band and without him they're just another rock band.

And the Operative Word of the Day goes to:

"Rock"

[DarwinNebraska]

Dennis brought something unique to the band and without him they're just another rock band.

And the Operative Word of the Day goes to:

"Rock"

Yea, they were never a rock band with Dennis.

Enjoy that imaginary world you've created for yourself.

[gr8dane]

What I meant,how you became a Styx fan in the first place.?
With so many in the band lacking talent,and only one guy worth his salt.
Wouldn't that make for very mediocre albums in the first place.
You must have been in heaven when Desert Moon came out.
No one but Dennis, with hired lackeys a 100 times better than anything the other Styx guys could possibly muster.

Where did I ever say everyone else is lacking in talent?

You need to accept the fact that some people don't like Styx without Dennis.

Dennis brought something unique to the band and without him they're just another rock band.

Accept it and move on with your life.

Ohh.I accepted it, and moved on.
What about you?

[AnnieOprah]

Dennis brought something unique to the band and without him they're just another rock band.

And the Operative Word of the Day goes to:

"Rock"

Yea, they were never a rock band with Dennis.

Enjoy that imaginary world you've created for yourself.

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I'd actually say they were MORE of a Rock Band with Dennis...

Just Be, anyone?
How about "Yes, I Can"
Or maybe "Waiting For Our Time"

[DarwinNebraska]

I'd actually say they were MORE of a Rock Band with Dennis...

Just Be, anyone?
How about "Yes, I Can"
Or maybe "Waiting For Our Time"

I think there's plenty of evidence to say they're definitely not a better band without Dennis.