OT - Palin rocked last night

[classicstyxfan]

Yeah ! and his middle name is HUSSEIN !!!!! this comfirms Obama is a MUSLIM !!!! hes already planning to be sworn in with his hand placed on the KORAN not the BIBLE ! he was sent here by TERRORISTS to fool us all and then run the country along side OSAMA BIN LADEN !!!! we'll all be forced to worsip Allah in Mosques by the end of 2009 if hes elected !

oh, and he hates all white people, who will all be forced into slavery by a decree from Obama, the pledge of alliegance will be abolished because Obama refuses to say it, while NOT wearing his american flag lapel pin !!!!!!!!!


the really sad thing is...........there are people out there who actually believe all of that crap !!! ( doany of you recognize yourselves in the paragraphs above ? if so, please look in the mirror and see how ridiculous you look and sound ! )

[chowhall]

The Republicans in congress insisted on an extra $100m in tax breaks for the companies for the bill to pass ....... Pork for Paulson

Since you are new to this US thing, Get all of the facts instead of the ones you want to listen to. There was pork on both sides of the aisle. The real losers are the American Taxpayer.

[Zan]

By the way Zan we republicans need more supporters like you.






NOT!!

Funny, I think the same about you.

[chowhall]

By the way Zan we republicans need more supporters like you.






NOT!!

Funny, I think the same about you.

Come election time, you won't be near so selective. Besides, if you(yogi) are the epitome of Republicans, I'll take Zan any day. She says what she thinks, doesn't post pages and pages of crap, and has to be a whole lot better looking.

[AnnieOprah]

Palin actually did better than I thought she would, but that's not saying much. She DID, however, continue in her tradition of trying to disguise the fact that she can't or won't answer certain questions by simply giving canned boilerplate about McCain being a maverick, no matter what the actual question was. As a journalist myself, that grates on my nerves something fierce. The question was, here are your perceived Achilles heels; do you think that's right or wrong, and what is your REAL Achilles heel? Biden gave a tame answer but at least answered, but Palin . . . she didn't even attempt to answer the question, and instead gave a long scripted commercial as an answer. The whole time she was talking I was thinking, "Did you even listen to the question?" There were points in there where it seemed like you could have asked, "What's two plus two?" and she would have said, "John McCain is a maverick, always taking shots from his own party, as well as obviously the other party, but always willing to get in there and roll up his sleeves and get the work done no metter who gets the credit." That drives me nuts. It's just a smokescreen, and if she were Vice President it would not serve her well at all. She is simply unprepared for this. And her false folksiness is not suitable for the job either. All that "heck" and "gosh" and "darn right" stuff is reminiscent of Naomi Judd. In order to succeed as VP you have to be a serious person capable of sitting across a negotiating table from world leaders. I keep picturing Sarah Palin across from Vladimir Putin saying, "You're darn tootin', Mr. Putin". LOL. That's not exactly what we need. We've already had a woefully inarticulate president for the past eight years.

Sterling, I can honestly say that of all the things I've ever read that you've written, this is my absolute favorite.

She did the same thing when the topic moved to gay rights - tho thankfully didn't go into a Maverick speech again. She just completely ignored the question at hand and started ranting about the sanctity of marriage again. Not the sharpest crayon in the box.

I am also disappointed that her barbaric wolf track record wasn't brought to question.

P.S. I'm not a journalist, and she annoyed the snot out of me.

Of course, I also think she's the anti-christ, but I can still separate the two!

If anyone is the anti-christ here, it is Barack Obama...

[AnnieOprah]

Here are the choices:

Choice A: We elect a guy who may hate white people, and wants everyone to earn $44,250 per year.

Choice B: One step away from becoming the most powerful person in the free world sits a iamraisingaknockedup teenagermom go to www.iamraisingaknockupteenagermom.com for more details.


Sorry, I meant, one step away from becoming the most powerful person in the free world sits: Hockey Mom. Does she even know what the duties of the President are???

As for Biden and facts??? he wouldnt know a fact if it shot him in the ass. Biden sounds great. The problem is half the shit he spews is 100% fiction. He has ALWAYS done this.

For me the only real choice is McCain, butt..... he is older than Keith Richards & Mick Jager combined, which easily could bring us back to iamraisingaknockedupteenagermom.

We are better than this!!

Then again, we are replacing the worst president in the history of the US.

Just curious, do you have any real facts that show Obama hates white people? I haven't seen it. And I do know for fact that he is not Muslim, not that this should matter. We are not at war with Muslims, we are at war with extremists. And, maybe to add some fuel to this, Barak is actually a Hebrew word, that means blessing.

Yeah right...Islam...the PEACEFUL religion....

[classicstyxfan]

Much like Putin over the skies of Russia, ignorance rears its ugly head here.....
a small percentage of people who claim to be islamic use terrorism to advance their agenda, and this makes everyone in a religon of near 1 billion people non-peaceful.

Ever hear about the "Christians" and a liitle thing called the Crusades ???? I'm sure Jesus was all for that !

Mankind has a long history of a select group of people doing horrendous things in the name of their religon.........

[kci2509]

Just out of curiousity....isn't barack obama half white??? I do believe he is of mixed ethnicity, so to say he hates white people, well, I think that's a little far out there. Wouldn't that mean he hates his own mother?

[Rockwriter]

Much like Putin over the skies of Russia, ignorance rears its ugly head here.....
a small percentage of people who claim to be islamic use terrorism to advance their agenda, and this makes everyone in a religon of near 1 billion people non-peaceful.

Ever hear about the "Christians" and a liitle thing called the Crusades ???? I'm sure Jesus was all for that !

Mankind has a long history of a select group of people doing horrendous things in the name of their religon.........

True, oh so true. Islam is not any more of a religion of violence than any other religion. Christianity, for instance, certainly has its fair share of blood on its hands, historically. Groups that call for violence in the name of Islam are mostly lunatic fringe groups that are not at all representative of Islam, any more than so-called Christians who participate in bombing abortion clinics are very good representatives of the true teachings of Jesus Christ. What frightens me is how America is currently being run by a lunatic fringe element of Christianity that is every bit as deranged as the people they purport to oppose. The belief that fuels both groups is "I believe in/worship (fill in the blank), therefore it is justified to hate and/or kill (fill in the blank)". The only thing that differentiates the two belief systems is the order of the words you put in each blank. Zealotry is dangerous no matter whose name is used to justify it.


Sterling

[stmonkeys]

Just out of curiousity....isn't barack obama half white??? I do believe he is of mixed ethnicity, so to say he hates white people, well, I think that's a little far out there. Wouldn't that mean he hates his own mother?

yeah, he was raised by his mom and maternal grandparents who most definitely were white. stop trying to interject some SENSE into this conversation!!!!


oh... and add to the crusades the spanish inquisition and holocaust. (if we're going to keep score)

[Rockwriter]

Just out of curiousity....isn't barack obama half white??? I do believe he is of mixed ethnicity, so to say he hates white people, well, I think that's a little far out there. Wouldn't that mean he hates his own mother?

That's what I find especially laughable and troubling about the racist undertone of many of the arguments made against Obama. He is just as much white as he is black. He is the product of an Ivy League education. You can't get much whiter than that, and yet people insist on framing him as black. Not that it should matter - it's his ideas that should matter, and not the amount of pigmentation in his skin - but it makes the argument that much more asinine. But then again, racism itself is asinine. We try to pretend that America is the great melting pot, but the truth is we have a long, long, long way to go in that regard.


Sterling

[stmonkeys]

yeah, but it's much more convenient to label him as "black" since that's what he appears (forget the fact that he's mulatto), and we know that in this country appearance is everything. i mean- how many times have you heard palin's appearance discussed? if she was "a dog", would she be as "popular?"

btw speaking of popularity contests, my dad sent me this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvXDrOQBsrA

[kci2509]

I know, trying to interject sense, in people who are nonsensical, dumb of me. But it is such a topic of discussion for me. ALL of my kids(22 to 7) are all of mixed heritage. I have encountered more bs from people, than anyone person can imagine. Mostly, I just laugh off the ignorance. If I followed every stereotype that a racist believes, then my son would be a criminal. My daughters would have 6 babydaddy's. so on and so forth....My son is an honor student, and my daughters work hard , and take care of them selves. I realize that I am ranting and raving, but people really need to wake up. Personally, I feel that obama having a multi-racial background makes him more aware of issues in each race, not just a single minded view.

[chowhall]

What frightens me is how America is currently being run by a lunatic fringe element of Christianity that is every bit as deranged as the people they purport to oppose.

Sterling

Run America? Just what is your point? I expected better from you.

[chowhall]

yeah, he was raised by his mom and maternal grandparents who most definitely were white. stop trying to interject some SENSE into this conversation!!!!


oh... and add to the crusades the spanish inquisition and holocaust. (if we're going to keep score)

You were doing fine until you brought up the holocaust. Adolf Hitler was not espousing Christianity in the Holocaust. Adolf Hitler was espousing Adolf Hitler. Christianity was guilty of neglect in the Holocaust and maybe even enabling, but not the root cause.

[Zan]

oh... and add to the crusades the spanish inquisition and holocaust. (if we're going to keep score)

You were doing fine until you brought up the holocaust. Adolf Hitler was not espousing Christianity in the Holocaust. Adolf Hitler was espousing Adolf Hitler. Christianity was guilty of neglect in the Holocaust and maybe even enabling, but not the root cause.

Gotta agree with Chow on this one. The Holocaust was not about religion at all, really. It was about power. Granted, the Jews did suffer the most (and quite horribly, I will add), but they weren't alone at the camps or just being slaughtered in general.

I'm with ya on the rest, tho. I find it strangely amusing how Christianity (which I don't oppose) has become the poster child for purity and goodness, when in fact, it is responsible for some of the most barbaric behavior our history has ever seen.

[chowhall]

I'm with ya on the rest, tho. I find it strangely amusing how Christianity (which I don't oppose) has become the poster child for purity and goodness, when in fact, it is responsible for some of the most barbaric behavior our history has ever seen. [/color][/b]

Religion has been and will continue to be the Number one cause of wars. (Not just Christianity though)

[Zan]

Religion has been and will continue to be the Number one cause of wars. (Not just Christianity though)

And territory. And possessions. And resources.

I think that was kinda the point. All this anti-Muslim propaganda crap reeks of ignorance and hypocrisy, that's all.

[Rockwriter]

What frightens me is how America is currently being run by a lunatic fringe element of Christianity that is every bit as deranged as the people they purport to oppose.

Sterling

Run America? Just what is your point? I expected better from you.

My point is that for the last eight years America has been saddled with a President and administration founded on some very extreme quasi-Christian principles that are actually a gross distortion of the true teachings of Jesus Christ. Bush has said privately that he believes that God ordained him to preside over America - which in large part explains his arrogance, as well as his lack of intellectual curiosity. He has taken the position that he does not need to consult or engage in any kind of informed debate or discovery process, much to his own detriment and the detriment of the country as a collective. And why not? Because his fundamental belief is that since God guides him, he cannot be wrong and therefore needs no information. That isn't faith. That is delusion.

Speaking of expecting better, about 75% of Americans expected better from this administration. Since in America the majority rules, is it your position that in this instance the majority is wrong about Bush having been a disaster? I don't mean that as an attack, just asking for a clarification of your position.


I hope all is well.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

I'm with ya on the rest, tho. I find it strangely amusing how Christianity (which I don't oppose) has become the poster child for purity and goodness, when in fact, it is responsible for some of the most barbaric behavior our history has ever seen. [/color][/b]

Religion has been and will continue to be the Number one cause of wars. (Not just Christianity though)

Very true. A lot of that is because religions tend to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have this group over here, and they have a two-thousand-year-old book that sets forth a set of beliefs through which they filter everything. On the other side of the fence you have a group with a six-thousand-year-old book that sets forth a differing set of beliefs through which they filter everything. Book Number One says a given piece of land ought to belong to a certain group. Book Number Two says that same piece of property ought to belong to a different group. Each group uses its particular book to justify war over that same otherwise insignificant patch of ground. The war continues across generations, until the root cause is long forgotten. Each side raises its children to hate the other side even though they have never met, and thus war and unrest continue over the course of centuries and generations, with each side smug in the knowledge that some deity is on its side. Such is the history of mankind and its various self-made religions.



Sterling

[chowhall]

What frightens me is how America is currently being run by a lunatic fringe element of Christianity that is every bit as deranged as the people they purport to oppose.

Sterling

Run America? Just what is your point? I expected better from you.

My point is that for the last eight years America has been saddled with a President and administration founded on some very extreme quasi-Christian principles that are actually a gross distortion of the true teachings of Jesus Christ. Bush has said privately that he believes that God ordained him to preside over America - which in large part explains his arrogance, as well as his lack of intellectual curiosity. He has taken the position that he does not need to consult or engage in any kind of informed debate or discovery process, much to his own detriment and the detriment of the country as a collective. And why not? Because his fundamental belief is that since God guides him, he cannot be wrong and therefore needs no information. That isn't faith. That is delusion.

Speaking of expecting better, about 75% of Americans expected better from this administration. Since in America the majority rules, is it your position that in this instance the majoroty is wrong about Bush having been a disaster? I don't mean that as an attack, just asking for a clarification of your position.


I hope all is well.


Sterling

What positions exactly did President Bush blindly act. If your answer is the war in Iraq, Look at History. As someone who has been in that country, I'll argue we should have been there much sooner than we were. We replaced a brutal dictator who poisoned gassed his own people and defied the UN for 10+ years with a fledgling democracy that has a chance to succeed. Also, If on September 12, 2001, you had the option of a long prolonged conflict in Iraq with an uncertain pullout date or more attacks on US soil, What would you as President select? Does being Pro Life and Anti Abortion make one a Christian wacko? These are just 2 of the questions that one has to answer when they want change. It's easy to complain about the current economy and situation. Many parties get voted out of office on things that are not under their control. I'm not saying that Pres Bush has done a lot of things right and I understand the publics dissatisfaction with his leadership and lack of intellect and oratory skills. Calling our President the lunatic fringe and deranged is unfounded, ill informed, and in some countries criminal. More clarification to follow.


Thanks for a response to my earlier post that didn't result in name calling and stuck to the facts. That's very rare around here.

[yogi]

Hatred is Hatred. It doesnt matter who it is aimed at, it is wrong.

How on earth can it be explain why Barack sat in a racist church, with a racist preacher for over a decade?????

Because hatred is being spewed at the majority it is OK??

Thats the liberal battle cry.

[Zan]

Well, some of us have spent a fair amount of time here with nonsensical, mentally challenged people. Doesn't mean all of us are nonsensical and mentally challenged.

[yogi]

Zan Pelosi has spoken!!

[LordofDaRing]

Sounds like some of you are beefing up your resume to join MSNBC or at least the View. Rather than joining the media/hollywood bashing of Sarah Palin and questioning her qualifications as a Vice President, I wish someone could point out Obama's positive traits as a leader, commander in chief, manager of any budget whatsoever. A perfect question to put to him during a debate would be, "Mr. Obama please tell use why you are more qulified than your opponent....without using the words "Change" or mentioning the Bush Administration oh, and please be specific". It might be helpful to question some of Joe Biden's points from a factual point too. By the way, don't go to Joebiden.com to validate that, try checking the true voting records, which are on some website, not controlled by either party.

Despite whomever comes out on top, I think if any congressional investigations come out of this economic bail out, some of you might be a little suprised as to what names get tied into the wrong doings.

I have to admit, Tina Fey has found a new career. SNL has always been pretty good with their political humor.

[Ehwmatt]

Sounds like some of you are beefing up your resume to join MSNBC or at least the View. Rather than joining the media/hollywood bashing of Sarah Palin and questioning her qualifications as a Vice President, I wish someone could point out Obama's positive traits as a leader, commander in chief, manager of any budget whatsoever. A perfect question to put to him during a debate would be, "Mr. Obama please tell use why you are more qulified than your opponent....without using the words "Change" or mentioning the Bush Administration oh, and please be specific". It might be helpful to question some of Joe Biden's points from a factual point too. By the way, don't go to Joebiden.com to validate that, try checking the true voting records, which are on some website, not controlled by either party.

Despite whoever comes on top, I think if any congressional investigations come out of this economic bail out, some of you might be a little suprised as to what names get tied into the wrong doings.

I have to admit, Tina Fey has found a new career. SNL has always been pretty good with their political humor.

I'm a conservative, just to frame my remarks and I agree with you on that hypothetical question. I don't think Obama would be able to provide a very satisfactory answer for a moderate, undecided voter. To Biden's credit, I think he would be able to be a lot more specific than Obama would if posed the same question.

Biden, his smug smirk aside, impressed me a fair amount in the debate with the obvious depth and specificity of his knowledge. Do I agree with his solutions? No. Does he know what he's talking about when it comes to a lot of the things he was discussing? Yes, certainly more so than Obama.

I don't think that the average, moderate undecided is buying the McCain/Palin = Bush/Cheney rhetoric up until now, although the economic crisis has me worried that the undecideds might start buying that empty line. I hope not. I've been to Obama's site, I've read his policies, I've heard his plans, and to me, he has very little substance. The substance that is there is frighteningly leftist, like the imposition of the windfall profit tax to redistribute wealth. No thanks, this is America, not the USSR.

[yogi]

Like I stated in my first post here, Barack wants everyone making $ 44,254 dollars per year. Later on, Barack will allows us to drive our subcompact car to the government run health facility, or we gather to listen to his spiritual advisor Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

It's scary to think who may be leading us.

[Zan]

Sounds like some of you are beefing up your resume to join MSNBC or at least the View. Rather than joining the media/hollywood bashing of Sarah Palin and questioning her qualifications as a Vice President, I wish someone could point out Obama's positive traits as a leader, commander in chief, manager of any budget whatsoever.

Just to clarify for myself, my hatred of Sarah Palin has nothing to do with the media or celebrities. I'm also not a cheerleader for Obama, but I don't hate him either. Perhaps it's his inexperience that helps with that. Can't say, but I can say that I hate Sarah Palin as a candidate for VP, and I'm not on fire about voting for anyone who has her on their ticket, least of all someone in their 70s who has had cancer 4 times. Too great a risk, as far as I'm concerned.

This election, like many that have passed before it, for me, will be voting for what I feel is the lesser of two evils.

[classicstyxfan]

[ A perfect question to put to him during a debate would be, "Mr. Obama please tell use why you are more qulified than your opponent....without using the words "Change" or mentioning the Bush Administration oh, and please be specific". ]


One possible answer could be ......because my ideas are different form the ideas that have put us into the current economic mess, created mistrust and lack of respect of our country overseas and blemishing our standing in the world, and because my ideas on Healthcare will mean that millions who cannot currently afford health insurance will be able to obtain coverage that they wont get in a McCain administration.

( thats just off the top of my head......Im sure Obama would be able to expand on that and say it better than I can )

Republicans cannot hide from Bush's track record, especially since McCain plans no major overhaul of Bush's domestic or froeign policies

PS if you want to focus on associations, better get ready for discussions about McCains associations with Keating....whom he DID "pal around with" prior to the Keating 5 scandal.....and of which the subsequent investigation concluded McCain "showed poor judgement."

[Ehwmatt]

Like I stated in my first post here, Barack wants everyone making $ 44,254 dollars per year. Later on, Barack will allows us to drive our subcompact car to the government run health facility, or we gather to listen to his spiritual advisor Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

It's scary to think who may be leading us.

Like I said, this is America. Not the USSR. You may be speaking in hyperbole here, but his policies are NOT the direction we need to get out of the mess we're in now.