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Postby Everett » Wed May 12, 2010 6:38 am

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Thenightbull wrote:
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Thenightbull wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:
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chickenbeef wrote:why would you want April or whatever his name is to sound like a young Tommy???? Present Tommy is 1000x's better than he used to be.


april? lol his name is august beef.


his parent's failed at naming him


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Tick tock, tick tock, just a matter of time that you'll be gone along with your other account.


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Ick. Thanks for the warning. I decided not to bring my kids to the Light Up show since you're going to be there, you're creepy especially talking about "banging" Miley Cyrus a 16 year old. Gross.

I have to give the guys from the band a heads up that you might yell at them or start trouble when they play "Mr. Roboto".


she's 17 idiot,,,that makes it okay...how old are you nightbull??? mid 20's???


23. She obviously didn't know that i was kidding but that is to be expected around these parts :roll:
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Postby Ash » Wed May 12, 2010 6:49 am

chickenbeef wrote:she's 17 idiot,,,that makes it okay...how old are you nightbull??? mid 20's???



Yeah and both of you are still sucking off your mom's tits. grow up and move out
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Postby brywool » Wed May 12, 2010 6:55 am

Toph wrote:
brywool wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:why would you want April or whatever his name is to sound like a young Tommy???? Present Tommy is 1000x's better than he used to be.


This is true. Shaw sings better now than he ever did. Who was the guy playing the Renegade guitar solo in those DeYoung clips? Terrible. Other than that, it was decent, but I don't think it's anything that DeYoung could say "This is Styx". To call a band with ONE GUY "Band Name" is ridiculous. It's like Mike Love calling his band "The Beach Boys". Isn't he the only one in that band (and the suckiest vocalist out of all of them)?


Probably not realizing it, but you just proved my point.

Replace Tommy and JY with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston. Replace DDY with Brian Wilson.

You have the exact scenario with the Beach Boys. The guy that is most associated with the band doesn't have the name and tours under his own banner. The better show is Brian Wilson. The Beach Boys get booked to play after baseball games and with other "oldie acts". Brian Wilson tours significantly less, but when he puts on a show, it is high quality and only him (vs. having to share the limelight with other acts).


Actually, Dennis is Mike Love in this case. Only Mike Love is in "The Beach Boys" now.
Styx has Tommy, Jy, Chuck, and Todd. Todd counts as he replaced a member who died and it was at the behest of everyone in the band. The better show IS Brian Wilson and he wrote all the songs. With Styx, it leans a lot more to Tommy's stuff than Dennis's, so it's NOT the same argument.

I can't believe that this is such a big deal for people. Who cares?? Go see both.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 12, 2010 7:06 am

LtVanish wrote:
Toph wrote:
brywool wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:why would you want April or whatever his name is to sound like a young Tommy???? Present Tommy is 1000x's better than he used to be.


This is true. Shaw sings better now than he ever did. Who was the guy playing the Renegade guitar solo in those DeYoung clips? Terrible. Other than that, it was decent, but I don't think it's anything that DeYoung could say "This is Styx". To call a band with ONE GUY "Band Name" is ridiculous. It's like Mike Love calling his band "The Beach Boys". Isn't he the only one in that band (and the suckiest vocalist out of all of them)?


Probably not realizing it, but you just proved my point.

Replace Tommy and JY with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston. Replace DDY with Brian Wilson.

You have the exact scenario with the Beach Boys. The guy that is most associated with the band doesn't have the name and tours under his own banner. The better show is Brian Wilson. The Beach Boys get booked to play after baseball games and with other "oldie acts". Brian Wilson tours significantly less, but when he puts on a show, it is high quality and only him (vs. having to share the limelight with other acts).


I agree with you I have seen Brian Wilson in concert many times, and his band is unbelievable, not to mention Brian is still writting good music. "That Lucky Old Sun" was a great album. Mike Love's Beach Boys is a touring joke.


You LIKED Lucky Ol Sun? Man... I couldn't stand that or Smile or any of his solo records. I tried (GOD HOW I TRIED) but the lyrical content is just banal. HORRIBLE lyrics. Van Dyke Parks aside, the lyrics were just crap. Musically decent, but Brian's speech really colors the vocals. It's weird, I always thought Mike Love couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag. It's too bad Carl's not around anymore. Imagine Carl singing Brian's songs today. Coulda been great.
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Postby DerriD » Wed May 12, 2010 7:22 am

I never figured that this thread would devolve into shit slinging.

Same voices of reason trying to make a point, same couple of fuckin' idiots ruining it for everyone else.

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Postby brywool » Wed May 12, 2010 8:24 am

Hope you don't mean me, but ya might...

I don't get why the forum is so divided. It's been 13 years now. Time to let it go...
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Postby chickenbeef » Wed May 12, 2010 8:27 am

brywool wrote:Hope you don't mean me, but ya might...

I don't get why the forum is so divided. It's been 13 years now. Time to let it go...


i know eh??? let styx be styx and let dennis do his thing. it's ok to like both
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Postby DerriD » Wed May 12, 2010 8:30 am

brywool wrote:Hope you don't mean me, but ya might...

I don't get why the forum is so divided. It's been 13 years now. Time to let it go...


You are in the camp of reason. :D
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Postby LtVanish » Wed May 12, 2010 8:31 am

brywool wrote:
LtVanish wrote:
Toph wrote:
brywool wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:why would you want April or whatever his name is to sound like a young Tommy???? Present Tommy is 1000x's better than he used to be.


This is true. Shaw sings better now than he ever did. Who was the guy playing the Renegade guitar solo in those DeYoung clips? Terrible. Other than that, it was decent, but I don't think it's anything that DeYoung could say "This is Styx". To call a band with ONE GUY "Band Name" is ridiculous. It's like Mike Love calling his band "The Beach Boys". Isn't he the only one in that band (and the suckiest vocalist out of all of them)?


Probably not realizing it, but you just proved my point.

Replace Tommy and JY with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston. Replace DDY with Brian Wilson.

You have the exact scenario with the Beach Boys. The guy that is most associated with the band doesn't have the name and tours under his own banner. The better show is Brian Wilson. The Beach Boys get booked to play after baseball games and with other "oldie acts". Brian Wilson tours significantly less, but when he puts on a show, it is high quality and only him (vs. having to share the limelight with other acts).


I agree with you I have seen Brian Wilson in concert many times, and his band is unbelievable, not to mention Brian is still writting good music. "That Lucky Old Sun" was a great album. Mike Love's Beach Boys is a touring joke.


You LIKED Lucky Ol Sun? Man... I couldn't stand that or Smile or any of his solo records. I tried (GOD HOW I TRIED) but the lyrical content is just banal. HORRIBLE lyrics. Van Dyke Parks aside, the lyrics were just crap. Musically decent, but Brian's speech really colors the vocals. It's weird, I always thought Mike Love couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag. It's too bad Carl's not around anymore. Imagine Carl singing Brian's songs today. Coulda been great.


Yeah I like the album a lot, Smile was great too. You are right though, Carl would of knocked it out the park though, he was the soul of the Beach Boys, his voice was magic.
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Postby Babyblue » Wed May 12, 2010 8:38 am

LtVanish wrote:
brywool wrote:
LtVanish wrote:
Toph wrote:
brywool wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:why would you want April or whatever his name is to sound like a young Tommy???? Present Tommy is 1000x's better than he used to be.


This is true. Shaw sings better now than he ever did. Who was the guy playing the Renegade guitar solo in those DeYoung clips? Terrible. Other than that, it was decent, but I don't think it's anything that DeYoung could say "This is Styx". To call a band with ONE GUY "Band Name" is ridiculous. It's like Mike Love calling his band "The Beach Boys". Isn't he the only one in that band (and the suckiest vocalist out of all of them)?


Probably not realizing it, but you just proved my point.

Replace Tommy and JY with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston. Replace DDY with Brian Wilson.

You have the exact scenario with the Beach Boys. The guy that is most associated with the band doesn't have the name and tours under his own banner. The better show is Brian Wilson. The Beach Boys get booked to play after baseball games and with other "oldie acts". Brian Wilson tours significantly less, but when he puts on a show, it is high quality and only him (vs. having to share the limelight with other acts).


I agree with you I have seen Brian Wilson in concert many times, and his band is unbelievable, not to mention Brian is still writting good music. "That Lucky Old Sun" was a great album. Mike Love's Beach Boys is a touring joke.


You LIKED Lucky Ol Sun? Man... I couldn't stand that or Smile or any of his solo records. I tried (GOD HOW I TRIED) but the lyrical content is just banal. HORRIBLE lyrics. Van Dyke Parks aside, the lyrics were just crap. Musically decent, but Brian's speech really colors the vocals. It's weird, I always thought Mike Love couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag. It's too bad Carl's not around anymore. Imagine Carl singing Brian's songs today. Coulda been great.


Yeah I like the album a lot, Smile was great too. You are right though, Carl would of knocked it out the park though, he was the soul of the Beach Boys, his voice was magic.


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Postby LtVanish » Wed May 12, 2010 8:39 am

styxfanNH wrote:Suite,
There is no coincidence that heckyl and jeckyl are the same person. They adopted the same line of attack when "made for barbecue" appeared.

We shouldn't feed the trolls. Although I realize that I just did.



Hopefully once Andrew updates the Melodicrock forums, it will include an ignore feature, which we will all be able to insert TNB, Beef, and etc and all their messages will not appear at all. I know of a lot of other boards that have this feature, it destroys the trolls. As of now I am still adopting not responding to any of them, soon I will ignore any threads they create as well.
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Postby Babyblue » Wed May 12, 2010 9:38 am

LtVanish wrote:
styxfanNH wrote:Suite,
There is no coincidence that heckyl and jeckyl are the same person. They adopted the same line of attack when "made for barbecue" appeared.

We shouldn't feed the trolls. Although I realize that I just did.



Hopefully once Andrew updates the Melodicrock forums, it will include an ignore feature, which we will all be able to insert TNB, Beef, and etc and all their messages will not appear at all. I know of a lot of other boards that have this feature, it destroys the trolls. As of now I am still adopting not responding to any of them, soon I will ignore any threads they create as well.


I know their getting on your last nerve... but there both kinda funny. :lol: :lol: Just laugh & go on. :lol: :wink: That is what i am doing.
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Postby Monker » Wed May 12, 2010 10:29 am

Toph wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Toph wrote:
brywool wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:why would you want April or whatever his name is to sound like a young Tommy???? Present Tommy is 1000x's better than he used to be.


This is true. Shaw sings better now than he ever did. Who was the guy playing the Renegade guitar solo in those DeYoung clips? Terrible. Other than that, it was decent, but I don't think it's anything that DeYoung could say "This is Styx". To call a band with ONE GUY "Band Name" is ridiculous. It's like Mike Love calling his band "The Beach Boys". Isn't he the only one in that band (and the suckiest vocalist out of all of them)?


Probably not realizing it, but you just proved my point.

Replace Tommy and JY with Mike Love and Bruce Johnston. Replace DDY with Brian Wilson.

You have the exact scenario with the Beach Boys. The guy that is most associated with the band doesn't have the name and tours under his own banner. The better show is Brian Wilson. The Beach Boys get booked to play after baseball games and with other "oldie acts". Brian Wilson tours significantly less, but when he puts on a show, it is high quality and only him (vs. having to share the limelight with other acts).



The way I read it,that if it was Styx with just Dennis,it would be like Beach Boys with Mike Love.


You read it wrong. Dennis is the Brian Wilson of Styx.


Except, Brian Wilson is considered by musical community as a genius. Dennis is an extremely talented vocalist and songwriter, but he is no where near the reputation that Brian Wilson has. You may as well be comparing the Beatles to Styx and say they are equals. Even if you hate the Beatles,you can't deny the universal acceptance as one of the most influential rock bands ever...Styx doesn't even come close. And, Dennis does not come close to being like Brian Wilson.
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Postby LtVanish » Wed May 12, 2010 2:15 pm

Babyblue wrote:
LtVanish wrote:
styxfanNH wrote:Suite,
There is no coincidence that heckyl and jeckyl are the same person. They adopted the same line of attack when "made for barbecue" appeared.

We shouldn't feed the trolls. Although I realize that I just did.



Hopefully once Andrew updates the Melodicrock forums, it will include an ignore feature, which we will all be able to insert TNB, Beef, and etc and all their messages will not appear at all. I know of a lot of other boards that have this feature, it destroys the trolls. As of now I am still adopting not responding to any of them, soon I will ignore any threads they create as well.


I know their getting on your last nerve... but there both kinda funny. :lol: :lol: Just laugh & go on. :lol: :wink: That is what i am doing.


Really they arent getting on my nerve, I just ignore everything they say. I'm more hoping the ignore feature comes for everyone elses benefit. I think it would be pretty funny having them post things and no one even to even see it.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby Mr JY Roboto » Wed May 12, 2010 2:24 pm

Toph wrote:Because after hearing Dennis and his band, if I am a promoter, all things equal, I take DDY and his band - except for one thing, they don't have the "brand name". Because, it is clear that they are more Styx than the band with the name.

From a business perspective, think about what you are trying to do. Your target audience is looking for nostalgia. They want to hear Styx Greatest Hits live. With Dennis, you get that. You now get 14 out of the 16 hits on Greatest Hits (exception being Miss America and Crystal Ball, arguably the two "smallest" hits on the GH album) and Rockin The Paradise (which should have been on GH1 vs. GH2) and Top 10 single Desert Moon. In other words, you get exactly what you pay for. And August sounds more like Tommy Shaw of the early 80s than Tommy Shaw of 2010 does. The band is tight, focused, and has a great sound that is true to the original recordings. The current touring version of Styx does not. The current touring version of Styx plays, maybe 1/2 the songs on GH? If that?

If DDY had the name, it would be no contest. And I predict that as more promoters hear this show - more will book DDY to get their Styx fix than those that book the touring band calling them by the same name.

Tommy and JY can try to erase history and pretend Styx didn't have the hits that they had, but at the end of the day, that is what people want to come see and Dennis, with his current set list...NAILS IT!
I thought Dennis was Styx? What does it matter what name he uses. Roger Waters draws crowds doing Pink Floyd tunes and yet he is advertised as Roger Waters. Styx has toured constantly since 1999 and promoters could give a crap less that Dennis is no longer with them. Styx will never be as big as they once were, Dennis or no Dennis.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby chickenbeef » Wed May 12, 2010 2:32 pm

Mr JY Roboto wrote:
Toph wrote:Because after hearing Dennis and his band, if I am a promoter, all things equal, I take DDY and his band - except for one thing, they don't have the "brand name". Because, it is clear that they are more Styx than the band with the name.

From a business perspective, think about what you are trying to do. Your target audience is looking for nostalgia. They want to hear Styx Greatest Hits live. With Dennis, you get that. You now get 14 out of the 16 hits on Greatest Hits (exception being Miss America and Crystal Ball, arguably the two "smallest" hits on the GH album) and Rockin The Paradise (which should have been on GH1 vs. GH2) and Top 10 single Desert Moon. In other words, you get exactly what you pay for. And August sounds more like Tommy Shaw of the early 80s than Tommy Shaw of 2010 does. The band is tight, focused, and has a great sound that is true to the original recordings. The current touring version of Styx does not. The current touring version of Styx plays, maybe 1/2 the songs on GH? If that?

If DDY had the name, it would be no contest. And I predict that as more promoters hear this show - more will book DDY to get their Styx fix than those that book the touring band calling them by the same name.

Tommy and JY can try to erase history and pretend Styx didn't have the hits that they had, but at the end of the day, that is what people want to come see and Dennis, with his current set list...NAILS IT!
I thought Dennis was Styx? What does it matter what name he uses. Roger Waters draws crowds doing Pink Floyd tunes and yet he is advertised as Roger Waters. Styx has toured constantly since 1999 and promoters could give a crap less that Dennis is no longer with them. Styx will never be as big as they once were, Dennis or no Dennis.


there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby StyxCollector » Wed May 12, 2010 4:11 pm

chickenbeef wrote:there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million


Outside of package bills which allows artists of the same size/popularity to play larger venues, Dennis and Styx play the SAME SIZED VENUES. Period.

Styx and Dennis are nostalgia bands at this point to most people. They are not bigger than their height of popularity in terms of touring, which was arguably 1981 where they did their last major world tour and went to Europe, North America, and Japan. They did nearly 3 hours, no opening act.

Numbers of asses in seats just means they tour more. It doesn't mean bigger.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby Babyblue » Wed May 12, 2010 10:09 pm

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chickenbeef wrote:there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million


Outside of package bills which allows artists of the same size/popularity to play larger venues, Dennis and Styx play the SAME SIZED VENUES. Period.

Styx and Dennis are nostalgia bands at this point to most people. They are not bigger than their height of popularity in terms of touring, which was arguably 1981 where they did their last major world tour and went to Europe, North America, and Japan. They did nearly 3 hours, no opening act.

Numbers of asses in seats just means they tour more. It doesn't mean bigger.


Yeah we know they are nostalgia bands.But you you rather see them or the crap that is out today???? I am not into rap at all.So i hate to say this as i never thought i would. :lol: But i do like some country music.But back on track here.I would think Styx plays bigger venues plus they play like what a 100 shows in the summer i believe that is right.I am sure someone here knows better than myself.I am very sure that they feel every seat or there is standing room only.But in the end dose it really matter???I love Styx old & new.For me i love the new But only because Styx did a 180 & did not go with a sound alike others have.And don't get me started on that one. :lol: :twisted: :evil:
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Postby Zan » Thu May 13, 2010 2:56 am

ooh goody! Another comparison to Brian Wilson. I was afraid we might go another week without one.

ooh goody! Another back & forth thread between chickenbeef & nightbull. I was afraid we might go another 30 seconds without one.

ooh Goody! Allen's here to set us all straight! I can rest now. ;-)
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Postby brywool » Thu May 13, 2010 3:29 am

Zan wrote:ooh goody! Another comparison to Brian Wilson. I was afraid we might go another week without one.

ooh goody! Another back & forth thread between chickenbeef & nightbull. I was afraid we might go another 30 seconds without one.

ooh Goody! Allen's here to set us all straight! I can rest now. ;-)


Oops, I think that was me that brought Brian into it. I didn't know it was a recurring thing here.... oops
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Postby chickenbeef » Thu May 13, 2010 4:27 am

Zan wrote:ooh goody! Another comparison to Brian Wilson. I was afraid we might go another week without one.

ooh goody! Another back & forth thread between chickenbeef & nightbull. I was afraid we might go another 30 seconds without one.

ooh Goody! Allen's here to set us all straight! I can rest now. ;-)


imagine that, participating in a forum that you're a member of??? OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
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Postby Archetype » Thu May 13, 2010 4:42 am

DeYoung needs to return to Styx and make it a seven piece band (Keep Gowan on board as well)
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby Toph » Thu May 13, 2010 5:03 am

chickenbeef wrote:
Mr JY Roboto wrote:
Toph wrote:Because after hearing Dennis and his band, if I am a promoter, all things equal, I take DDY and his band - except for one thing, they don't have the "brand name". Because, it is clear that they are more Styx than the band with the name.

From a business perspective, think about what you are trying to do. Your target audience is looking for nostalgia. They want to hear Styx Greatest Hits live. With Dennis, you get that. You now get 14 out of the 16 hits on Greatest Hits (exception being Miss America and Crystal Ball, arguably the two "smallest" hits on the GH album) and Rockin The Paradise (which should have been on GH1 vs. GH2) and Top 10 single Desert Moon. In other words, you get exactly what you pay for. And August sounds more like Tommy Shaw of the early 80s than Tommy Shaw of 2010 does. The band is tight, focused, and has a great sound that is true to the original recordings. The current touring version of Styx does not. The current touring version of Styx plays, maybe 1/2 the songs on GH? If that?

If DDY had the name, it would be no contest. And I predict that as more promoters hear this show - more will book DDY to get their Styx fix than those that book the touring band calling them by the same name.

Tommy and JY can try to erase history and pretend Styx didn't have the hits that they had, but at the end of the day, that is what people want to come see and Dennis, with his current set list...NAILS IT!
I thought Dennis was Styx? What does it matter what name he uses. Roger Waters draws crowds doing Pink Floyd tunes and yet he is advertised as Roger Waters. Styx has toured constantly since 1999 and promoters could give a crap less that Dennis is no longer with them. Styx will never be as big as they once were, Dennis or no Dennis.


there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million


You really enjoy showing your ignorance.
Ill give you one example. In 1996 Styx with no opening act sold out Chastain Park in Atlanta. This summer the threesome of Styx, For., Kansas is playing Chastain and there are plenty of seats available.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby Toph » Thu May 13, 2010 5:04 am

chickenbeef wrote:
Mr JY Roboto wrote:
Toph wrote:Because after hearing Dennis and his band, if I am a promoter, all things equal, I take DDY and his band - except for one thing, they don't have the "brand name". Because, it is clear that they are more Styx than the band with the name.

From a business perspective, think about what you are trying to do. Your target audience is looking for nostalgia. They want to hear Styx Greatest Hits live. With Dennis, you get that. You now get 14 out of the 16 hits on Greatest Hits (exception being Miss America and Crystal Ball, arguably the two "smallest" hits on the GH album) and Rockin The Paradise (which should have been on GH1 vs. GH2) and Top 10 single Desert Moon. In other words, you get exactly what you pay for. And August sounds more like Tommy Shaw of the early 80s than Tommy Shaw of 2010 does. The band is tight, focused, and has a great sound that is true to the original recordings. The current touring version of Styx does not. The current touring version of Styx plays, maybe 1/2 the songs on GH? If that?

If DDY had the name, it would be no contest. And I predict that as more promoters hear this show - more will book DDY to get their Styx fix than those that book the touring band calling them by the same name.

Tommy and JY can try to erase history and pretend Styx didn't have the hits that they had, but at the end of the day, that is what people want to come see and Dennis, with his current set list...NAILS IT!
I thought Dennis was Styx? What does it matter what name he uses. Roger Waters draws crowds doing Pink Floyd tunes and yet he is advertised as Roger Waters. Styx has toured constantly since 1999 and promoters could give a crap less that Dennis is no longer with them. Styx will never be as big as they once were, Dennis or no Dennis.


there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million


You really enjoy showing your ignorance.
Ill give you one example. In 1996 Styx with no opening act sold out Chastain Park in Atlanta. This summer the threesome of Styx, For., Kansas is playing Chastain and there are plenty of seats available.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby chickenbeef » Thu May 13, 2010 5:10 am

Toph wrote:
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Mr JY Roboto wrote:
Toph wrote:Because after hearing Dennis and his band, if I am a promoter, all things equal, I take DDY and his band - except for one thing, they don't have the "brand name". Because, it is clear that they are more Styx than the band with the name.

From a business perspective, think about what you are trying to do. Your target audience is looking for nostalgia. They want to hear Styx Greatest Hits live. With Dennis, you get that. You now get 14 out of the 16 hits on Greatest Hits (exception being Miss America and Crystal Ball, arguably the two "smallest" hits on the GH album) and Rockin The Paradise (which should have been on GH1 vs. GH2) and Top 10 single Desert Moon. In other words, you get exactly what you pay for. And August sounds more like Tommy Shaw of the early 80s than Tommy Shaw of 2010 does. The band is tight, focused, and has a great sound that is true to the original recordings. The current touring version of Styx does not. The current touring version of Styx plays, maybe 1/2 the songs on GH? If that?

If DDY had the name, it would be no contest. And I predict that as more promoters hear this show - more will book DDY to get their Styx fix than those that book the touring band calling them by the same name.

Tommy and JY can try to erase history and pretend Styx didn't have the hits that they had, but at the end of the day, that is what people want to come see and Dennis, with his current set list...NAILS IT!
I thought Dennis was Styx? What does it matter what name he uses. Roger Waters draws crowds doing Pink Floyd tunes and yet he is advertised as Roger Waters. Styx has toured constantly since 1999 and promoters could give a crap less that Dennis is no longer with them. Styx will never be as big as they once were, Dennis or no Dennis.


there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million


You really enjoy showing your ignorance.
Ill give you one example. In 1996 Styx with no opening act sold out Chastain Park in Atlanta. This summer the threesome of Styx, For., Kansas is playing Chastain and there are plenty of seats available.


if styx didn't tour constantly they would sell it out no problem. they are musicians and they just want to play all the time. and if that means sharing the bill they don't care, they just want to play
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby StyxCollector » Thu May 13, 2010 7:42 am

Babyblue wrote:Yeah we know they are nostalgia bands.But you you rather see them or the crap that is out today???? I am not into rap at all.So i hate to say this as i never thought i would. :lol: But i do like some country music.But back on track here.I would think Styx plays bigger venues plus they play like what a 100 shows in the summer i believe that is right.I am sure someone here knows better than myself.I am very sure that they feel every seat or there is standing room only.But in the end dose it really matter???I love Styx old & new.For me i love the new But only because Styx did a 180 & did not go with a sound alike others have.And don't get me started on that one. :lol: :twisted: :evil:


What does what I want to go see or not have to do with the price of fish? These days I'm happier going to a jazz club or show than I am a bigger rock show. Peter Gabriel with orchestra was fantastic, and I'm looking forward to the Phil Collins show in NYC in June where he's doing Motown tunes as well. I'm not seeing as many shows these days, and if I do, they're increasingly less rock oriented. Maybe I'll see Styx. Foreigner is last in Boston, so I don't have to suffer through them. I'd have to sit through Kansas. Again. Bad enough in 1996 ... that's my hesitation.

Anyway. I've seen both Styx and Dennis plenty of times since 1999. I've never cared about size of venue to be honest. Some people around here are just a bit delusional that one camp is truly bigger than the other at this point. If Dennis was part of a package tour he'd do something similar to Styx, but it's his choice not to tour as much and be more of a "weekend warrior". Whatever works. I think it's great Styx wants to be on the road and play for fans. I'm also pretty happy it seems they're changing up the set a bit (finally).
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Postby Archetype » Thu May 13, 2010 8:06 am

Scour internet land tomorrow for a setlist from tonight. Styx claims on twitter that they've shaken things up.
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Postby LtVanish » Thu May 13, 2010 10:48 am

Archetype wrote:Scour internet land tomorrow for a setlist from tonight. Styx claims on twitter that they've shaken things up.


99% sure they still end with Renegade.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby Babyblue » Thu May 13, 2010 10:52 am

StyxCollector wrote:
Babyblue wrote:Yeah we know they are nostalgia bands.But you you rather see them or the crap that is out today???? I am not into rap at all.So i hate to say this as i never thought i would. :lol: But i do like some country music.But back on track here.I would think Styx plays bigger venues plus they play like what a 100 shows in the summer i believe that is right.I am sure someone here knows better than myself.I am very sure that they feel every seat or there is standing room only.But in the end dose it really matter???I love Styx old & new.For me i love the new But only because Styx did a 180 & did not go with a sound alike others have.And don't get me started on that one. :lol: :twisted: :evil:


What does what I want to go see or not have to do with the price of fish? These days I'm happier going to a jazz club or show than I am a bigger rock show. Peter Gabriel with orchestra was fantastic, and I'm looking forward to the Phil Collins show in NYC in June where he's doing Motown tunes as well. I'm not seeing as many shows these days, and if I do, they're increasingly less rock oriented. Maybe I'll see Styx. Foreigner is last in Boston, so I don't have to suffer through them. I'd have to sit through Kansas. Again. Bad enough in 1996 ... that's my hesitation.

Anyway. I've seen both Styx and Dennis plenty of times since 1999. I've never cared about size of venue to be honest. Some people around here are just a bit delusional that one camp is truly bigger than the other at this point. If Dennis was part of a package tour he'd do something similar to Styx, but it's his choice not to tour as much and be more of a "weekend warrior". Whatever works. I think it's great Styx wants to be on the road and play for fans. I'm also pretty happy it seems they're changing up the set a bit (finally).


I think it is great there on the road all the time.They love what they do & you can it.So let them play and get get over it enough all ready.Its always the same song & dance around here.Dang it :roll: :shock: We are so lucky we have Styx & DDY is on his own.Journey fans have the band but no Mr P any more.So i feel very lucky that i will be able to see Styx soon.
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Re: JY/Tommy should be damn thankful they have the name....

Postby Monker » Thu May 13, 2010 2:18 pm

StyxCollector wrote:
chickenbeef wrote:there still pretty damn big. bigger on the concert circuit than they ever were. sure the charts don't show the songs anymore but charts don't matter. Think of how many people buy Styx tickets a year...probably close to a million


Outside of package bills which allows artists of the same size/popularity to play larger venues, Dennis and Styx play the SAME SIZED VENUES. Period.

Styx and Dennis are nostalgia bands at this point to most people. They are not bigger than their height of popularity in terms of touring, which was arguably 1981 where they did their last major world tour and went to Europe, North America, and Japan. They did nearly 3 hours, no opening act.

Numbers of asses in seats just means they tour more. It doesn't mean bigger.


Depends on where you are talking.

Last time Dennis was here, he was playing some rib fest as free entertainment. Before that he was at a half filled Civic Center that holds 2500 people. If Dennis can't even sell 2,000 seats at the Civic Center, he may as well find somewhere else to go and skip the embarrassment of a 'rib fest'.

Within a few months Styx was performing alone at a casine for $50 or $70/ticket...and as far as I could tell, they were pretty close to sold out....around 7,000. Dennis on his own is simply not a draw in this town.
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