Music Time

[LtVanish]

No question JY was the best actor on Kilroy movie and stage.

[brywool]

Lonely School was worse than First Time.

Gawd Froy, you don't seriously believe that... do you? First Time is about a guy (a rather old guy at the time of writing) singing about "doing it" for the "First Time". The whole song is a "Don't be afraid, cuz we're going to do it for the First Time" song. Totally dopey lyrics. One of the worst songs DeYoung ever penned. The horrible Fender Rhoades just underlines it. "Don't be afraid of Love" is such a bad lyric. I always found it funny that he dedicated that particular song to Paul (McCartney).

Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship. "I drove past where we used to live" says more in that line than anything in "First Time". FT is a total throwaway of a song and the rest of the band were correct in not putting it out as a single. I cannot believe that this comes up every day...
I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

[Boomchild]

Tommy waves from the sidelines.. what in the hell was the point of that?

Let me get this straight: Tommy left the band because he didn't agree with DDY's pop friendly direction, but then his first solo outting includes something as teeny bop as "Girls With Guns", but he was too cool for "Music Time"?

I don't know, I dig Tommy, but I do think he screwed the band with his hissy fits, and then he quits.. I mean, he says he wants to rock, but he writes songs like "Never Say Never", "She Cares", "Cold War", "Haven't We Been Here Before", and "Just Get Through This Night"- Some really good songs(save for "Cold War"), but not any cooler than anything DDY was composing at the time. Meanwhile, he stops "First Time" from getting issued, and then fights them on releasing "Haven't We Been Here Before"(a song he wrote and performed). WTF? What, Dennis wouldn't let him write rock songs? Dennis wouldn't put them on the albums? Well it's a good thing TS was able to save all that harder edged material for his solo career. Something else was up with Tommy. I don't know if it was the drugs, the fact that he didn't like sharing the spotlight or what, but it seems like he was just a touch impossible to please.

I think that "Lonely School" would be a better example of what TS was supposedly wanting to get away from. More then likely it was his drug abuse that fueled the fire. Maybe other members coaxing him to their side of the DDY thing didn't have the results they expected.

Lonely School was worse than First Time. This guy is so full of himself and so full of shit It makes me sick.
What about What IF ? What the hell is that. What If What If What If oh my is that some horrific lyrics.
Tommy Shaw gets a pass more than not but not anymore, This Alabama dude hijacked Styx and he should be thrown out of the band for it, Problem is JY has no balls at all and the rest of the band are fillers,

The whole What If album is a pretty poor effort from TS. By then he was more then likely so strung out he didn't know which end was up. It really screams "I'm meeting my contract obligations". The only song off that album I cared for was "Reach For The Bottle".

[Boomchild]

Lonely School was worse than First Time.

Gawd Froy, you don't seriously believe that... do you? First Time is about a guy (a rather old guy at the time of writing) singing about "doing it" for the "First Time". The whole song is a "Don't be afraid, cuz we're going to do it for the First Time" song. Totally dopey lyrics. One of the worst songs DeYoung ever penned. The horrible Fender Rhoades just underlines it. "Don't be afraid of Love" is such a bad lyric. I always found it funny that he dedicated that particular song to Paul (McCartney).

Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship. "I drove past where we used to live" says more in that line than anything in "First Time". FT is a total throwaway of a song and the rest of the band were correct in not putting it out as a single. I cannot believe that this comes up every day...
I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

I agree!

[BlackWall]

Lonely School was worse than First Time.

Gawd Froy, you don't seriously believe that... do you? First Time is about a guy (a rather old guy at the time of writing) singing about "doing it" for the "First Time". The whole song is a "Don't be afraid, cuz we're going to do it for the First Time" song. Totally dopey lyrics. One of the worst songs DeYoung ever penned. The horrible Fender Rhoades just underlines it. "Don't be afraid of Love" is such a bad lyric. I always found it funny that he dedicated that particular song to Paul (McCartney).

Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship. "I drove past where we used to live" says more in that line than anything in "First Time". FT is a total throwaway of a song and the rest of the band were correct in not putting it out as a single. I cannot believe that this comes up every day...
I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

I don't think it's one of DDY's stronger moments, but do we know that it's really about "doing it"(LOL) for the first time? Couldn't it be about the first time with a new person? Maybe he just means falling in love.. yeah, I don't buy that either. DDY was singing about gettin' his freak on. I have to admit, back in the day, the first time I saw the "For Paul" in the credits, I was a little concerned, but it all makes sense now. Now, let's see how many times we can say "First Time" in one post.

[BlackWall]

Lonely School was worse than First Time.

Gawd Froy, you don't seriously believe that... do you? First Time is about a guy (a rather old guy at the time of writing) singing about "doing it" for the "First Time". The whole song is a "Don't be afraid, cuz we're going to do it for the First Time" song. Totally dopey lyrics. One of the worst songs DeYoung ever penned. The horrible Fender Rhoades just underlines it. "Don't be afraid of Love" is such a bad lyric. I always found it funny that he dedicated that particular song to Paul (McCartney).

Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship. "I drove past where we used to live" says more in that line than anything in "First Time". FT is a total throwaway of a song and the rest of the band were correct in not putting it out as a single. I cannot believe that this comes up every day...
I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

My point wasn't that I wanted them to go in that direction, but as we've talked about before, it's too bad Styx never really had an album that had a string of big hits, and it seems like Tommy was the biggest reason certain songs that might have been more successful didn't get released. He bitched about the pop direction, yet he was writing a lot of those songs himself, and continued to do so once he went solo.

[froy]

brywool"] froy"]

Lonely School was worse than First Time


Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship

Yea this blond Peter Pan guy drives by( stalker if you will) in his small little car and he stands there and looks at the house,
What a sap. Just the fact that he uses the word lonely is no better than using the phrase first time the same damn sappy shit,
Then he confesses that he is in Lonely School? What the hell is Lonely School. Is it first grade? It's first grade lyrics I wil tell ya that
Awe pwoor Tommy he is Lonely..Gimmie a Freaking Break, Both songs suck balls and Shaw had no right after that one to say anything about First Time,

[froy]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

[brywool]

Lonely School was worse than First Time.

Gawd Froy, you don't seriously believe that... do you? First Time is about a guy (a rather old guy at the time of writing) singing about "doing it" for the "First Time". The whole song is a "Don't be afraid, cuz we're going to do it for the First Time" song. Totally dopey lyrics. One of the worst songs DeYoung ever penned. The horrible Fender Rhoades just underlines it. "Don't be afraid of Love" is such a bad lyric. I always found it funny that he dedicated that particular song to Paul (McCartney).

Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship. "I drove past where we used to live" says more in that line than anything in "First Time". FT is a total throwaway of a song and the rest of the band were correct in not putting it out as a single. I cannot believe that this comes up every day...
I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

I don't think it's one of DDY's stronger moments, but do we know that it's really about "doing it"(LOL) for the first time? Couldn't it be about the first time with a new person? Maybe he just means falling in love.. yeah, I don't buy that either. DDY was singing about gettin' his freak on. I have to admit, back in the day, the first time I saw the "For Paul" in the credits, I was a little concerned, but it all makes sense now. Now, let's see how many times we can say "First Time" in one post.

yeah, read the lyrics. That's totally what it's about. I suppose it could be about just falling in love... but some of the other lyrics pretty much 'drive the point home'

[brywool]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band. It was a throwaway track.
Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

[froy]

brywool" "froy"


I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band.

No but he was dumb enough to write it, And It was the record company that wanted FT as a single not Dennis.

It was a throwaway track.

That they didn't throw away

Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Dennis produced it.

[brywool]

brywool" "froy"


I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band.

No but he was dumb enough to write it, And It was the record company that wanted FT as a single not Dennis.

It was a throwaway track.

That they didn't throw away

Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Dennis produced it.

compared with Roboto, First Time, and Hip Hop Hypocrisy, She Cares is hardly the worst offender. By "Produced" I meant created.

[Toph]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band. It was a throwaway track.
Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Never Say Never, Shooz, and Superstars would like to have a word with you....

[Everett]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band. It was a throwaway track.
Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Never Say Never, Shooz, and Superstars would like to have a word with you....

Babe,Don't let it end and roboto are on line one, two and three toph

[SuiteMadameBlue]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band. It was a throwaway track.
Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Never Say Never, Shooz, and Superstars would like to have a word with you....

Awwwww, I really like these 3 songs!!!

[cittadeeno23]

I like those 3 songs too! I have a feeling you are a long time Styx fan like myself.
How could anyone not like SuperStars?????? The great Guitar riff, the killer vocals.

[Bearded Clam]

there is nothing bad about " The Grand Illusion" album. To me, it's the band at their peak.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I like those 3 songs too! I have a feeling you are a long time Styx fan like myself.
How could anyone not like SuperStars?????? The great Guitar riff, the killer vocals.

I've been a fan since 1972. My very first record was "You Need Love"

[masque]

so when did tommy quit in the middle of a show? what are the details of that?

[froy]

so when did tommy quit in the middle of a show? what are the details of that?

Sterling knows this one .

[brywool]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band. It was a throwaway track.
Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Never Say Never, Shooz, and Superstars would like to have a word with you....

SHOOZ??? You're saying SHOOZ was a lame tune? And Superstars too??
Now we know the root of the problem! FINALLY, after all this time, the true answer!

The problem is...

Your taste in music sucks.

[BlackWall]

I like those 3 songs too! I have a feeling you are a long time Styx fan like myself.
How could anyone not like SuperStars?????? The great Guitar riff, the killer vocals.

I've been a fan since 1972. My very first record was "You Need Love"

Suite, was "You Need Love" the song that introduced you to the band? What was the b-side of that record?

[froy]

so when did tommy quit in the middle of a show? what are the details of that?

During a Texas show 1983 Tommy smashed his guitar and off he went.
Called his manager and said I quit, He told him to get back on stage as the record company won;t like it.
So a few songs later he comes back to the stage,

[Boomchild]

so when did tommy quit in the middle of a show? what are the details of that?

During a Texas show 1983 Tommy smashed his guitar and off he went.
Called his manager and said I quit, He told him to get back on stage as the record company won;t like it.
So a few songs later he comes back to the stage,

And some people say Dennis did childish things. At least he would be professional enough not to do something like that.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I like those 3 songs too! I have a feeling you are a long time Styx fan like myself.
How could anyone not like SuperStars?????? The great Guitar riff, the killer vocals.

I've been a fan since 1972. My very first record was "You Need Love"

Suite, was "You Need Love" the song that introduced you to the band? What was the b-side of that record?

I was 6 years old and my family was at a convention for my Dad's work. For the kids they had a dj play music. He played this song and I liked it right away. I asked the guy who the band was and he told me Styx. I told him how much I really liked the song and he gave me the 45, which I still have. It's written on the record, for the dj, "Rock - Fast - Good"

Heads (side A) "You Need Love" and Tails (side B) "You Better Ask"

It's funny, this is the song that I loved first from my favorite band. I didn't hear "Lady" until later

[froy]

I like those 3 songs too! I have a feeling you are a long time Styx fan like myself.
How could anyone not like SuperStars?????? The great Guitar riff, the killer vocals.

I've been a fan since 1972. My very first record was "You Need Love"

Suite, was "You Need Love" the song that introduced you to the band? What was the b-side of that record?

I was 6 years old and my family was at a convention for my Dad's work. For the kids they had a dj play music. He played this song and I liked it right away. I asked the guy who the band was and he told me Styx. I told him how much I really liked the song and he gave me the 45, which I still have. It's written on the record, for the dj, "Rock - Fast - Good"

Heads (side A) "You Need Love" and Tails (side B) "You Better Ask"

It's funny, this is the song that I loved first from my favorite band. I didn't hear "Lady" until later

That's 45 came with A Styx Press Release and was sent to radio stations
I have the entire PR with the 2 cool photos you saw on Chucks site,

[Rockwriter]

There REALLY ARE a lot of similarities to Styx And the movie Spinal Tap!!
No wonder JY hates that movie!!!

Derrick Sutton Says he was consulted for that movie AFTER it was written. But I'm not so sure I believe him. LOL!

Derrick Sutton was consulted BEFORE and DURING the movie, he's in the credits. I had a conversation with him last summer that turned into an audio interview. We talked about Spinal Tap and Styx, there are a few obvious references.

Wow, is that interview available anywhere online? He is in the credits. Derek insists that he had nothing to do with the storyline, however. He was brought in only for promotion, he was not part of the creative team.

Now, having said that, that doesn't mean that they didn't mine some of his stories and throw them in, since he was around and I'm sure they swapped stories. I interviewed Tony Kaye from Yes very recently, and a lot of people don't know that he auditioned for Spinal Tap before returning to Yes for 90125. He said that some of the people involved told him parts of the movie were based on Yes and Black Sabbath. Now, before Derek managed Styx he was a contract road manager for Chrysalis and then he branched out and had a lot to do with that second wave of the British Invasion, the prog and hard rock Brit bands of the early 70s. And guess what two bands he helped bring to America? Yes and Black Sabbath. So it could be that some of his observations on various bands did make their way into the film.

You can't convince me that the film makers didn't watch CITA before designing David St. Hubbins' stage wardrobe. There are some scenes where he is wearing a blue coat and silver pants that are EXACTLY like JY from CITA. It's like they were separated at birth.

Of course, there's a ton of stuff in that film that applies to EVERY rock band, becuase the silly egos are so predictable. That's what makes it so classic.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

Lonely School was worse than First Time.

Gawd Froy, you don't seriously believe that... do you? First Time is about a guy (a rather old guy at the time of writing) singing about "doing it" for the "First Time". The whole song is a "Don't be afraid, cuz we're going to do it for the First Time" song. Totally dopey lyrics. One of the worst songs DeYoung ever penned. The horrible Fender Rhoades just underlines it. "Don't be afraid of Love" is such a bad lyric. I always found it funny that he dedicated that particular song to Paul (McCartney).

Lonely School, on the other hand is a really good song about regret of how the writer screwed up a relationship. "I drove past where we used to live" says more in that line than anything in "First Time". FT is a total throwaway of a song and the rest of the band were correct in not putting it out as a single. I cannot believe that this comes up every day...
I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

For whatever it's worth, I don't think either song is a very good example of either person's best work, not by a long shot. But I think the point people try to make with "Lonely School" is that Tommy said he wanted to rock, then put out an album that contained that song (complete with the harmonies borrowed from "Easy Like Sunday Morning") and "Little Girl World". I mean, seriously? Even at its heaviest points 'Girls With Guns' has way more in common with 'Cornerstone' than with 'The Grand Illusion'. It sounds like a bad Asia album.

There IS one great song on there, "Kiss Me Hello", that I personally think is as good as anything Tommy's ever written in his life. The rest of it, I can take or leave. Mostly leave, LOL.

Sterling

[Rockwriter]

"brywool"] "froy"]


I also can't believe that FT is a direction that you would've liked to see the band go into.

That's like saying She Cares is the direction you wanted them to go.

I've never stood up for She Cares and TS wasn't DUMB ENOUGH to think that should be a single for the band. It was a throwaway track.
Until that time, it was really the only Throwaway track he'd produced.

Never Say Never, Shooz, and Superstars would like to have a word with you....

I have to agree on "Never Say Never" . . . that wretched line about "I must have been born with a hole in my head, 'cause I've never said these things befooooooooooooooooooooooooooore . . ." always makes me laugh.


Sterling

[bugsymalone]

Of course, there's a ton of stuff in that film that applies to EVERY rock band, becuase the silly egos are so predictable. That's what makes it so classic.


Sterling

That is my take. I never really saw anything other than a satire on over-the-top heavy metal bands and hair bands of a certain ilk. I didn't see so much of Styx there as general British guitar-based hard rock/metal bands.

I still marvel at the dead-on Brit impressions those three very American guys did in that movie.


Bugsy