Rockin The Paradise Writing Credits?

[cittadeeno23]

How about because the 3 guys who formed and founded the band are no longer in the band? Except for Chuck showing up every once in a while. How about because the person that wrote and sang most of the songs and produced almost all of the albums is no longer in the band?

This has no similarities to the Moody Blues.

However, they won the lawsuit, they are called Styx and life goes on.

So When Dennis come into town I'll go and see his show. And when the Tommy/JY band come into town, and they get more than a 45 minute set I'll go see them too!

[chickenbeef]

actually, he's pretty accurate. why don't YOU go away?

styx is a band. always has been always will be. some people just don't get that

I agree. I also feel the band stopped being Styx when they booted DDY out. Since he had so much to do with the band direction, sound etc. I will also say that I think it wouldn't be right if DDY was the only one left in the band and was calling it Styx.

it's 4 against 1 really and maybe 5 depending on whether jc's family owns any shares in styx

Actually it was two against one. Todd has no say from a legal standpoint, and at that time Tommy didn't either because he had sold his part of Styx back to the other guys before he came back. At lest that's my understanding of it. So it was JY vs. Dennis, with Chuck holding the power to decide it all. That's why they courted him so much, everything rode on Chuck's decision for once.

JC's family receives some very modest royalties from the Wooden Nickel era and 'Equinox', and that's it. They certainly have no involvement with any of the band's business.


Sterling

where chuck's decision goes so does john's

That's my understanding of it, yes.


Sterling

so it's like tommy jy chuck and john versus dennis...that's the majority of the band. so why shouldn't it be called styx then just becuase one guy isn't involved that's like with the moody blues today..oh denny lane isn't in it that means it's not the moody blues?

Ummm, I never argued otherwise, did I? In fact, I couldn't care less who is in or who is not in Styx at this time. What possible difference does that make to me and my life?

Apart from that, it's asinine to compare the enormous contribution of Dennis to Styx to the relatively small contribution Denny made to the Moody Blues. That's hardly an even playing field.


Sterling

i was directing that towards what someone else said. if it wasn't for denny there would be no mb

[chickenbeef]

How about because the 3 guys who formed and founded the band are no longer in the band? Except for Chuck showing up every once in a while. How about because the person that wrote and sang most of the songs and produced almost all of the albums is no longer in the band?

This has no similarities to the Moody Blues.

However, they won the lawsuit, they are called Styx and life goes on.

So When Dennis come into town I'll go and see his show. And when the Tommy/JY band come into town, and they get more than a 45 minute set I'll go see them too!

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

[pinkfloyd1973]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

[Boomchild]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

so i guess paul and george never founded the beatles then either because john was in the quarry men before right????? noob

[pinkfloyd1973]

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

OK since we're splitting hairs here....Dennis JP and CP founded what would be the basis of the band Styx, if it hadn't been for Dennis hearing the twins playing in their basement and joining them then there would be no Styx. JY would have either found God or joined another group

[Toph]

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

OK since we're splitting hairs here....Dennis JP and CP founded what would be the basis of the band Styx, if it hadn't been for Dennis hearing the twins playing in their basement and joining them then there would be no Styx. JY would have either found God or joined another group

Doubt JY would find God - never seen him as a very spiritual person.

[chickenbeef]

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

OK since we're splitting hairs here....Dennis JP and CP founded what would be the basis of the band Styx, if it hadn't been for Dennis hearing the twins playing in their basement and joining them then there would be no Styx. JY would have either found God or joined another group

if it wasn't for jy they never would have gotten their record deal

[Babyblue]

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

OK since we're splitting hairs here....Dennis JP and CP founded what would be the basis of the band Styx, if it hadn't been for Dennis hearing the twins playing in their basement and joining them then there would be no Styx. JY would have either found God or joined another group

Doubt JY would find God - never seen him as a very spiritual person.

You just never know.

[Boomchild]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

[Boomchild]

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

OK since we're splitting hairs here....Dennis JP and CP founded what would be the basis of the band Styx, if it hadn't been for Dennis hearing the twins playing in their basement and joining them then there would be no Styx. JY would have either found God or joined another group

if it wasn't for jy they never would have gotten their record deal

And they may not have gotten past a local\regional band if it wasn't for Lady becoming a song that got national airplay. Even JY credits a lot of their early success to DDY. I believe that he said something to the affect that Dennis believed that Styx was going to make it to the big time even before he really though that way. So there is plenty of credit to go around to both of them.

[Boomchild]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

[Boomchild]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

Nope. Just because a band changes it's musical style or format doesn't mean it's another band. Just changing direction. Also, by the time frame you are referring to TW4 was playing covers of current well known rock songs not Frank Sinatra. If that wes the case, I'm sure JY would have had no interest in joining them. Finally, your theory is like saying Pink Floyd was a different band when they switched to making more progressive sounding music then their early physicadelic stuff.

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

Nope. Just because a band changes it's musical style or format doesn't mean it's another band. Just changing direction. Also, by the time frame you are referring to TW4 was playing covers of current well known rock songs not Frank Sinatra. If that wes the case, I'm sure JY would have had no interest in joining them. Finally, your theory is like saying Pink Floyd was a different band when they switched to making more progressive sounding music then their early physicadelic stuff.

you really have a hard time admitting you're wrong don't you? that's like saying paul never founded the beatles because john was in the quarry men before and paul joined that band and they eventually formed the beatles... styx did not exist before chuck john jy and dennis made it a band

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

Nope. Just because a band changes it's musical style or format doesn't mean it's another band. Just changing direction. Also, by the time frame you are referring to TW4 was playing covers of current well known rock songs not Frank Sinatra. If that wes the case, I'm sure JY would have had no interest in joining them. Finally, your theory is like saying Pink Floyd was a different band when they switched to making more progressive sounding music then their early physicadelic stuff.

you really have a hard time admitting you're wrong don't you? that's like saying paul never founded the beatles because john was in the quarry men before and paul joined that band and they eventually formed the beatles... styx did not exist before chuck john jy and dennis made it a band

[StyxCollector]

Why does any band change direction? The biggies:

1. More money
2. More fame
3. More chicks (or dudes, if that's what you're into)

When you're in your teens, playing as a trio with the accordian may have worked out fine. When you're later on, not so much.

It's not rocket science. People can see which way the winds blow, and go with it or not. Playing songs people actually like as a cover band gets you more gigs. It's pretty much as simple as that. I've been in plenty of bands over the years where adding or deleting members didn't change the nature of the band; what people were going to pay to hear did. You also "road test" some songs and figure out what sticks.

These are just natural changes that happen in any band. Look at Journey - you don't think they started writing shorter, less-prog (or no prog) songs and hired another singer just for the fun of it do you? No. They did it to sell records, become more popular, and make some moolah. There's a reason why songs like "Lady" stick around but songs like "Movement for the Common Man" go by the way side.

Both DDY's and JY's roles in Styx history are secure.

[Boomchild]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

Nope. Just because a band changes it's musical style or format doesn't mean it's another band. Just changing direction. Also, by the time frame you are referring to TW4 was playing covers of current well known rock songs not Frank Sinatra. If that wes the case, I'm sure JY would have had no interest in joining them. Finally, your theory is like saying Pink Floyd was a different band when they switched to making more progressive sounding music then their early physicadelic stuff.

you really have a hard time admitting you're wrong don't you? that's like saying paul never founded the beatles because john was in the quarry men before and paul joined that band and they eventually formed the beatles... styx did not exist before chuck john jy and dennis made it a band

I will not admit to something that is just not true. According to members of the band, JY joined TW4 before they changed the bands name to Styx. Since that is the case, CP, JP and DDY founded TW4 (originally The Tradewinds) not CP, JP, DDY and JY. None of the members has ever stated that they started a new band called Styx, they stated that they had to change their name because the record label insisted it. This does not take away by any means the contributions that JY brought to the table. All it does is point out who in reality are the true original players in the band. This is what happened in the evolution of the band called TW4 and cannot be applied to other bands. Each bands history of evolution can and is different.

[chickenbeef]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

Nope. Just because a band changes it's musical style or format doesn't mean it's another band. Just changing direction. Also, by the time frame you are referring to TW4 was playing covers of current well known rock songs not Frank Sinatra. If that wes the case, I'm sure JY would have had no interest in joining them. Finally, your theory is like saying Pink Floyd was a different band when they switched to making more progressive sounding music then their early physicadelic stuff.

you really have a hard time admitting you're wrong don't you? that's like saying paul never founded the beatles because john was in the quarry men before and paul joined that band and they eventually formed the beatles... styx did not exist before chuck john jy and dennis made it a band

I will not admit to something that is just not true. According to members of the band, JY joined TW4 before they changed the bands name to Styx. Since that is the case, CP, JP and DDY founded TW4 (originally The Tradewinds) not CP, JP, DDY and JY. None of the members has ever stated that they started a new band called Styx, they stated that they had to change their name because the record label insisted it. This does not take away by any means the contributions that JY brought to the table. All it does is point out who in reality are the true original players in the band. This is what happened in the evolution of the band called TW4 and cannot be applied to other bands. Each bands history of evolution can and is different.

wow you're a slow one

[Boomchild]

jy started styx too remember and chuck makes all the major cities nowadays guess he must be feeling better

there was another guy in a pre-styx band that played guitar...guess because he's not in styx means it's not styx right?

Technically Dennis, John and Chuck founded the band and JY came in later. If I remember the story correctly, JY was in rival band in Chicago and I guess some of his bandmates found God or something like that. Was it Tom Nardini you were thinking of that was the pre-Styx guitarist mebbe?


Robin

there has never been a band called styx without jy..meaning jy founded the band along with 4 other guys.

I beg to differ. Since Styx started out as the Tradewinds and then became TW4 (that is when JY joined) and then was finally changed to Styx when they signed with Wooden Nickel. A band changing it's name has nothing to do with when it got started. Therefore, CP, JP and DDY really can only be considered founding members.

those three founded the trade winds, a different band...it was 5 guys that founded styx

Sorry, it was a name change only at the demands of the record label. This is the only reason the name Styx was used. They were not starting a new band just changing their name only. It wasn't like CP, JP and DDY broke up and then later reformed as new band. It would be like saying Kentucky Fried Chicken is a new kind of chicken simply because they changed the name to KFC.

they merged into a new band

In order to merge, you have to have two of something. There was only one band. Period. I am not saying that JY was not an important element to the early stages of what was to come. He just was not there at the birthplace of the band that changed it's name at the request of their record label.

they went from playing frank sinatra to rock when jy showed up. that's a different band

Nope. Just because a band changes it's musical style or format doesn't mean it's another band. Just changing direction. Also, by the time frame you are referring to TW4 was playing covers of current well known rock songs not Frank Sinatra. If that wes the case, I'm sure JY would have had no interest in joining them. Finally, your theory is like saying Pink Floyd was a different band when they switched to making more progressive sounding music then their early physicadelic stuff.

you really have a hard time admitting you're wrong don't you? that's like saying paul never founded the beatles because john was in the quarry men before and paul joined that band and they eventually formed the beatles... styx did not exist before chuck john jy and dennis made it a band

I will not admit to something that is just not true. According to members of the band, JY joined TW4 before they changed the bands name to Styx. Since that is the case, CP, JP and DDY founded TW4 (originally The Tradewinds) not CP, JP, DDY and JY. None of the members has ever stated that they started a new band called Styx, they stated that they had to change their name because the record label insisted it. This does not take away by any means the contributions that JY brought to the table. All it does is point out who in reality are the true original players in the band. This is what happened in the evolution of the band called TW4 and cannot be applied to other bands. Each bands history of evolution can and is different.

wow you're a slow one

Well, it's obvious you and I will not agree on this subject and that is fine with me. But, you don't have to throw personal insults at me. I don't believe I have done that to you.