Jimmy Fallon recreates Too Much Time Music Video

[gr8dane]

You can't have Gowan recreate the finger wag that was decidedly Dennis

LOL...so, Fallon won't have Styx on because Gowan doesn't do a finger wag. Do you realize how absolutely fucking loony you sound?

It Styx goes on Fallon, it will be without Dennis. Just as if Dennis goes on it will be without Styx. That's the way it is.

You are such a child.

Guess it won't be Styx going on ,since Dennis is only one who can do the finger wag.
The finger wag would be the only reason for anybody showing up on Fallon.

[Toph]

You can't have Gowan recreate the finger wag that was decidedly Dennis

LOL...so, Fallon won't have Styx on because Gowan doesn't do a finger wag. Do you realize how absolutely fucking loony you sound?

It Styx goes on Fallon, it will be without Dennis. Just as if Dennis goes on it will be without Styx. That's the way it is.

You are such a child.

And you're an asshole. Talk about being loony. You take the cake, bud.

[masque]

time for me to yank on the pole and set the hook!

[Monker]

You can't have Gowan recreate the finger wag that was decidedly Dennis

LOL...so, Fallon won't have Styx on because Gowan doesn't do a finger wag. Do you realize how absolutely fucking loony you sound?

It Styx goes on Fallon, it will be without Dennis. Just as if Dennis goes on it will be without Styx. That's the way it is.

You are such a child.

Guess it won't be Styx going on ,since Dennis is only one who can do the finger wag.
The finger wag would be the only reason for anybody showing up on Fallon.

Guess that's why I'd rather watch Colbert.

[Monker]

And you're an asshole. Talk about being loony. You take the cake, bud.

Thank you. I would so much rather be an asshole then whatever it is you are.

[masque]

oh holy shit, what if it does turn into their "dont start believing"??? i'm not sure some folks on here could handle tommy being the architect of creating that bus. i think it would cause some heads to explode around here.........ah, the bathwater tastes especially yummy this morning.

I think its ironic that the most talked about part of that video is the DDY keyboard piece with the finger wag. Jimmy himself chose to be DDY and not Shaw.

actually i think the most talked about part of anything i have seen fallon say or do is that he is constantly singing the first line of the first verse and telling anyone that will listen that the song is a great jam and that he is currently obsessed with it. i've heard much more about that then the finger wag.

what is much more ironic to me is that after years of you claiming how irrelevant tommy was to the overall success of the band that when the national spotlight centers around one of his songs that you find a way to twist it to be that the "real reason" the song is getting the attention it is right now is because of the stupid fucking finger wag made by the keyboard player in the band and not the song itself.

but on the other hand if someone says that a huge part of styx's popularity in the late 70's and early 80's was due to tommy being a the only member in the band to be pretty enough to be a teen heartthrob you will totally dismiss that contribution. even though tommy was the guy on the cover of all those teen magazines for years and years and it was his poster in those magazines that helped styx sell records and gain popularity with a younger audience. that plays no part does it tophy???? but a gay ass finger wag that happens for 3 seconds in a video is now all of a sudden the primary reason for their new relevance and once again "proves" that DDY is the mastermind behind all their success. you're a trip dude. i'm glad there are people in this world like you to provide a great laugh to people like me....so thank you from the bottom of my heart!

[Toph]

And you're an asshole. Talk about being loony. You take the cake, bud.

Thank you. I would so much rather be an asshole then whatever it is you are.

Ooh, that's mature..

[Toph]

oh holy shit, what if it does turn into their "dont start believing"??? i'm not sure some folks on here could handle tommy being the architect of creating that bus. i think it would cause some heads to explode around here.........ah, the bathwater tastes especially yummy this morning.

I think its ironic that the most talked about part of that video is the DDY keyboard piece with the finger wag. Jimmy himself chose to be DDY and not Shaw.

actually i think the most talked about part of anything i have seen fallon say or do is that he is constantly singing the first line of the first verse and telling anyone that will listen that the song is a great jam and that he is currently obsessed with it. i've heard much more about that then the finger wag.

what is much more ironic to me is that after years of you claiming how irrelevant tommy was to the overall success of the band that when the national spotlight centers around one of his songs that you find a way to twist it to be that the "real reason" the song is getting the attention it is right now is because of the stupid fucking finger wag made by the keyboard player in the band and not the song itself.

but on the other hand if someone says that a huge part of styx's popularity in the late 70's and early 80's was due to tommy being a the only member in the band to be pretty enough to be a teen heartthrob you will totally dismiss that contribution. even though tommy was the guy on the cover of all those teen magazines for years and years and it was his poster in those magazines that helped styx sell records and gain popularity with a younger audience. that plays no part does it tophy???? but a gay ass finger wag that happens for 3 seconds in a video is now all of a sudden the primary reason for their new relevance and once again "proves" that DDY is the mastermind behind all their success. you're a trip dude. i'm glad there are people in this world like you to provide a great laugh to people like me....so thank you from the bottom of my heart!

Not saying that, but go ahead put words in my mouth as asshole.

Here is what I will have to say ONCE AGAIN!

8 top 10 singles, Shaw wrote 1
Production of all albums was DDY
All concept albums were DDY
Greatest Hits - 16 songs, 10 by DDY

Oh, and yes, Tommy TMTOMH has some cultural relevance right now, but Roboto, Babe, CSA all have had their day in the sun as well. So, like everything else 75% of cultural reference go to DDY songs.

[masque]

actually you did say and imply that and said things like that for years. you're just getting butt hurt because the sun might be shining a bit on tommy's ass instead of DDY's.

[gr8dane]

Cool.75% of cultural reference for Dennis.
And 75% of old Styx is now 100% new Styx.

[Cassie May]

...And Renegade for years has had cultural significance to Pittsburgh. And Tommy is in the Alabama Music Hall of Fame. Is Dennis in any hall of fame? This Tommy vs Dennis shit can go on and on and on, but really, what's the point? What's the fucking point? To whom does it matter, except Toph?

[Monker]

\
Here is what I will have to say ONCE AGAIN!

8 top 10 singles, Shaw wrote 1
Production of all albums was DDY
All concept albums were DDY
Greatest Hits - 16 songs, 10 by DDY

Oh, and yes, Tommy TMTOMH has some cultural relevance right now, but Roboto, Babe, CSA all have had their day in the sun as well. So, like everything else 75% of cultural reference go to DDY songs.

And, since I reread this recently, I'm going to quote the below. None of this hit song bullshit you keep quoting matters as much as pretend. Styx was an AOR band. They prided themselves on having 5 double platinum albums in a row. It's not these "hit" songs by DDY that solely propelled Styx success. It's the total package, which you (and DDY) fail to see or admit. In fact, those 'hit' songs, Roboto and Babe in particular, did more harm for the band than good.

"I used to say it at the time, and saying it now is even harder to understand. But, there are certain types of artists that have certain kinds of records. Even though Steve Perry would get all over my ass because I was unable to get songs like "The Party's Over" from Captured much higher than #35 in the singles charts - man, I'm telling ya. On an act like Journey, a mid-chart hit is more desirable than a real hit. Cause once you have a real hit, and if we ever do have one, then we'll always have to have them. They'll think that you were born by the hits, and you'll die if you don't have one. And that will be true. So, as long as we can keep doing mid-charters, I can promise you sold-out tours, and multi-platinum releases. Just like "Turn Me Loose" by Loverboy, or "The Stroke" by Billy Squier. Peaked at #36 - but both - the albums were multiple platinum, even though they were mid-charters. You remember them as pretty big hits, don't you? So you know what I'm talking about. So you know, the lack of sophistication on the part of the artist was such that I couldn't explain that too well to a guy like Steve Perry. He hardly had a high school education, you know. "F.O.B." we used to say. "Fresh off boat." But anyway, "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'" put Evolution over three million. And then Departure - we had "Any Way You Want It." I got it to the top 25, and it did two million headed to three, (which) wasn't too much of a falloff in a bad economy. Then, "The Party's Over" from the live double album which was also double platinum, Captured, which came out with every other group in the world - everybody had the same idea at the time to release a live album." -- Herbie Herbert

The point is, which I know you will either ignore or it will go over your head, you diminish the band as a whole by constantly counting writing credits and hit songs. Styx was more than that (as was Journey) and seriously question your ability to appreciate the band when all you do is prop up one member above all else.

[Boomchild]

And, since I reread this recently, I'm going to quote the below. None of this hit song bullshit you keep quoting matters as much as pretend. Styx was an AOR band. They prided themselves on having 5 double platinum albums in a row. It's not these "hit" songs by DDY that solely propelled Styx success. It's the total package, which you (and DDY) fail to see or admit. In fact, those 'hit' songs, Roboto and Babe in particular, did more harm for the band than good.

This part of your assertion is so false. Easily proven wrong by DDY's own admissions made in public. He has ALWAYS stated that the bands success was due to the contributions and influences of ALL of them. He has never stated that the success of the band was due to his contributions alone.

[yogi]

[quote="Monker"][quote="Toph"]\
Here is what I will have to say ONCE AGAIN!

8 top 10 singles, Shaw wrote 1
Production of all albums was DDY
All concept albums were DDY
Greatest Hits - 16 songs, 10 by DDY

Oh, and yes, Tommy TMTOMH has some cultural relevance right now, but Roboto, Babe, CSA all have had their day in the sun as well. So, like everything else 75% of cultural reference go to DDY songs.[/quote]

And, since I reread this recently, I'm going to quote the below. None of this hit song bullshit you keep quoting matters as much as pretend. Styx was an AOR band. They prided themselves on having 5 double platinum albums in a row. It's not these "hit" songs by DDY that solely propelled Styx success. It's the total package, which you (and DDY) fail to see or admit. In fact, those 'hit' songs, Roboto and Babe in particular, did more harm for the band than good.

[i]"I used to say it at the time, and saying it now is even harder to understand. But, there are certain types of artists that have certain kinds of records. Even though Steve Perry would get all over my ass because I was unable to get songs like "The Party's Over" from Captured much higher than #35 in the singles charts - man, I'm telling ya. On an act like Journey, a mid-chart hit is more desirable than a real hit. Cause once you have a real hit, and if we ever do have one, then we'll always have to have them. They'll think that you were born by the hits, and you'll die if you don't have one. And that will be true. So, as long as we can keep doing mid-charters, I can promise you sold-out tours, and multi-platinum releases. Just like "Turn Me Loose" by Loverboy, or "The Stroke" by Billy Squier. Peaked at #36 - but both - the albums were multiple platinum, even though they were mid-charters. You remember them as pretty big hits, don't you? So you know what I'm talking about. So you know, the lack of sophistication on the part of the artist was such that I couldn't explain that too well to a guy like Steve Perry. He hardly had a high school education, you know. "F.O.B." we used to say. "Fresh off boat." But anyway, "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'" put Evolution over three million. And then Departure - we had "Any Way You Want It." I got it to the top 25, and it did two million headed to three, (which) wasn't too much of a falloff in a bad economy. Then, "The Party's Over" from the live double album which was also double platinum, Captured, which came out with every other group in the world - everybody had the same idea at the time to release a live album."[/i] -- Herbie Herbert

The point is, which I know you will either ignore or it will go over your head, you diminish the band as a whole by constantly counting writing credits and hit songs. Styx was more than that (as was Journey) and seriously question your ability to appreciate the band when all you do is prop up one member above all else.[/quote]




Herbie & The Monkster are 100% correct on this. IMO the album Equinox is a PERFECT example of this > Suite Madame Blue and Born For Adventure never charted Lorelei charted at 36 or something. Off the Grand Illusion Come Sail Away was huge but songs like The Grand Illusion,Man In The Wilderness, Castle Walls, Fooling Yourself etc really sent that album into orbit( sales wise). Pieces Of Eight had mid level charting single success but the album was a MONSTER.

I couldnt agree more

[masque]

Miss America was played on the radio all the time back in the day.....it was for sure an AOR hit.

[Monker]

And, since I reread this recently, I'm going to quote the below. None of this hit song bullshit you keep quoting matters as much as pretend. Styx was an AOR band. They prided themselves on having 5 double platinum albums in a row. It's not these "hit" songs by DDY that solely propelled Styx success. It's the total package, which you (and DDY) fail to see or admit. In fact, those 'hit' songs, Roboto and Babe in particular, did more harm for the band than good.

This part of your assertion is so false. Easily proven wrong by DDY's own admissions made in public. He has ALWAYS stated that the bands success was due to the contributions and influences of ALL of them. He has never stated that the success of the band was due to his contributions alone.

Not according to Toph. Also, in the early interviews after the breakup, DDY did prop himself up way too high by saying the same things Toph is repeating now...he produced all the albums, is responsible for the Styx "sound", etc. In fact, in one of the interviews on this site he talks about "I Will Be Your Witness" and how it would have been a huge hit if he would have been allowed to produce it. He talks about BNW not sounding like Styx because he wasn't allowed to produce it, and hearing it for the first time made him cry because of the sound, and then takes credit for the sound on all of the prior albums...and then implies the failure of BNW was because he was not allowed more control of the album He insulted Tommy and Styx fans by saying that Tommy listens to the fans on the internet who would drink his bathwater if he asked them to. So, yes, he did prop himself above the rest of the band. Nowadays, he has calmed down his arrogance...maybe because Toph is right and he is desperate to rejoin the band.

[Boomchild]

Not according to Toph. Also, in the early interviews after the breakup, DDY did prop himself up way too high by saying the same things Toph is repeating now...he produced all the albums, is responsible for the Styx "sound", etc. In fact, in one of the interviews on this site he talks about "I Will Be Your Witness" and how it would have been a huge hit if he would have been allowed to produce it. He talks about BNW not sounding like Styx because he wasn't allowed to produce it, and hearing it for the first time made him cry because of the sound, and then takes credit for the sound on all of the prior albums...and then implies the failure of BNW was because he was not allowed more control of the album He insulted Tommy and Styx fans by saying that Tommy listens to the fans on the internet who would drink his bathwater if he asked them to. So, yes, he did prop himself above the rest of the band. Nowadays, he has calmed down his arrogance...maybe because Toph is right and he is desperate to rejoin the band.

As far production goes, I haven't seen or read anyone contest DDY's statement. It just could be possible that he had the most involvement in that. I don't think he ever felt that the success was solely due to himself. If he really did believe that, he would have continued on without TS when he left in '84 as the others wanted to. It is Toph's relentless regurgitation of "DDY wants a reunion" that is giving a false appearance of desperation on DDY's part. From what I have seen, DDY seems content with what he is doing but certainly would be open to a reunion should such an opportunity present itself. That is all he is saying.

[Toph]

...And Renegade for years has had cultural significance to Pittsburgh. And Tommy is in the Alabama Music Hall of Fame. Is Dennis in any hall of fame? This Tommy vs Dennis shit can go on and on and on, but really, what's the point? What's the fucking point? To whom does it matter, except Toph?

Dennis is a better more accomplished, more successful artist than Tommy. I'm sorry you can't handle it.

[Toph]

Cool.75% of cultural reference for Dennis.
And 75% of old Styx is now 100% new Styx.

I guess math is really difficult for you. Sorry about that. 40% of Styx is currently claiming to be Styx. (Panozzo is not part of the active touring group - 2/5 = 40%)

[Toph]

\
Here is what I will have to say ONCE AGAIN!

8 top 10 singles, Shaw wrote 1
Production of all albums was DDY
All concept albums were DDY
Greatest Hits - 16 songs, 10 by DDY

Oh, and yes, Tommy TMTOMH has some cultural relevance right now, but Roboto, Babe, CSA all have had their day in the sun as well. So, like everything else 75% of cultural reference go to DDY songs.

And, since I reread this recently, I'm going to quote the below. None of this hit song bullshit you keep quoting matters as much as pretend. Styx was an AOR band. They prided themselves on having 5 double platinum albums in a row. It's not these "hit" songs by DDY that solely propelled Styx success. It's the total package, which you (and DDY) fail to see or admit. In fact, those 'hit' songs, Roboto and Babe in particular, did more harm for the band than good.

"I used to say it at the time, and saying it now is even harder to understand. But, there are certain types of artists that have certain kinds of records. Even though Steve Perry would get all over my ass because I was unable to get songs like "The Party's Over" from Captured much higher than #35 in the singles charts - man, I'm telling ya. On an act like Journey, a mid-chart hit is more desirable than a real hit. Cause once you have a real hit, and if we ever do have one, then we'll always have to have them. They'll think that you were born by the hits, and you'll die if you don't have one. And that will be true. So, as long as we can keep doing mid-charters, I can promise you sold-out tours, and multi-platinum releases. Just like "Turn Me Loose" by Loverboy, or "The Stroke" by Billy Squier. Peaked at #36 - but both - the albums were multiple platinum, even though they were mid-charters. You remember them as pretty big hits, don't you? So you know what I'm talking about. So you know, the lack of sophistication on the part of the artist was such that I couldn't explain that too well to a guy like Steve Perry. He hardly had a high school education, you know. "F.O.B." we used to say. "Fresh off boat." But anyway, "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'" put Evolution over three million. And then Departure - we had "Any Way You Want It." I got it to the top 25, and it did two million headed to three, (which) wasn't too much of a falloff in a bad economy. Then, "The Party's Over" from the live double album which was also double platinum, Captured, which came out with every other group in the world - everybody had the same idea at the time to release a live album." -- Herbie Herbert

The point is, which I know you will either ignore or it will go over your head, you diminish the band as a whole by constantly counting writing credits and hit songs. Styx was more than that (as was Journey) and seriously question your ability to appreciate the band when all you do is prop up one member above all else.

Take "charts" off the table then. Go by what the band admits is their biggest songs. GH1: DDY 10 songs, TS 5, JY 1. And who produced all those triple platinum albums? And your comment about Babe and Roboto stems from your short sighted ignorance. Those songs brought them millions of new fans. I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that those songs were so successful and that DDY blows Shaw out of the water in terms of overall contribution to the band.

[Toph]

And, since I reread this recently, I'm going to quote the below. None of this hit song bullshit you keep quoting matters as much as pretend. Styx was an AOR band. They prided themselves on having 5 double platinum albums in a row. It's not these "hit" songs by DDY that solely propelled Styx success. It's the total package, which you (and DDY) fail to see or admit. In fact, those 'hit' songs, Roboto and Babe in particular, did more harm for the band than good.

This part of your assertion is so false. Easily proven wrong by DDY's own admissions made in public. He has ALWAYS stated that the bands success was due to the contributions and influences of ALL of them. He has never stated that the success of the band was due to his contributions alone.

Not according to Toph. Also, in the early interviews after the breakup, DDY did prop himself up way too high by saying the same things Toph is repeating now...he produced all the albums, is responsible for the Styx "sound", etc. In fact, in one of the interviews on this site he talks about "I Will Be Your Witness" and how it would have been a huge hit if he would have been allowed to produce it. He talks about BNW not sounding like Styx because he wasn't allowed to produce it, and hearing it for the first time made him cry because of the sound, and then takes credit for the sound on all of the prior albums...and then implies the failure of BNW was because he was not allowed more control of the album He insulted Tommy and Styx fans by saying that Tommy listens to the fans on the internet who would drink his bathwater if he asked them to. So, yes, he did prop himself above the rest of the band. Nowadays, he has calmed down his arrogance...maybe because Toph is right and he is desperate to rejoin the band.

He's absolutely right> BNW sucked ass - especially the Tommy and JY songs. IF you think that is good music, then your taste sucks worse than I even thought. He did produce every Styx album. JY did the bookkeeping and Tommy did blow and looked cute for 16 magazine. That was the role of each member.

[Toph]

Not according to Toph. Also, in the early interviews after the breakup, DDY did prop himself up way too high by saying the same things Toph is repeating now...he produced all the albums, is responsible for the Styx "sound", etc. In fact, in one of the interviews on this site he talks about "I Will Be Your Witness" and how it would have been a huge hit if he would have been allowed to produce it. He talks about BNW not sounding like Styx because he wasn't allowed to produce it, and hearing it for the first time made him cry because of the sound, and then takes credit for the sound on all of the prior albums...and then implies the failure of BNW was because he was not allowed more control of the album He insulted Tommy and Styx fans by saying that Tommy listens to the fans on the internet who would drink his bathwater if he asked them to. So, yes, he did prop himself above the rest of the band. Nowadays, he has calmed down his arrogance...maybe because Toph is right and he is desperate to rejoin the band.

As far production goes, I haven't seen or read anyone contest DDY's statement. It just could be possible that he had the most involvement in that. I don't think he ever felt that the success was solely due to himself. If he really did believe that, he would have continued on without TS when he left in '84 as the others wanted to. It is Toph's relentless regurgitation of "DDY wants a reunion" that is giving a false appearance of desperation on DDY's part. From what I have seen, DDY seems content with what he is doing but certainly would be open to a reunion should such an opportunity present itself. That is all he is saying.

Not desperate, just wanting to get the band back together for the fans. Not something arrogant Tommy Shaw even considers. Tommy is and has always been all about himself. He's acts like a child because he never matured beyond a child. Has temper tantrums and only thinks of himself. He's a pathetic little baby and can't see the forest for the trees.

[Monker]

...And Renegade for years has had cultural significance to Pittsburgh. And Tommy is in the Alabama Music Hall of Fame. Is Dennis in any hall of fame? This Tommy vs Dennis shit can go on and on and on, but really, what's the point? What's the fucking point? To whom does it matter, except Toph?

Dennis is a better more accomplished, more successful artist than Tommy. I'm sorry you can't handle it.

That is simply not true.

Tommy is the ONLY member of Styx to have major success outside of the band...in Damn Yankees, including a #1 song. The only major success Dennis has ever had has been in Styx...everything else is no more remarkable that what Tommy has done, other than DY.

But, you didn't answer her question. What difference does it make, other than to stroke Dennis' ego and justify his arrogance?

[Monker]

Not desperate, just wanting to get the band back together for the fans. Not something arrogant Tommy Shaw even considers. Tommy is and has always been all about himself. He's acts like a child because he never matured beyond a child. Has temper tantrums and only thinks of himself. He's a pathetic little baby and can't see the forest for the trees.

OH, please....you are simply making the argument for Styx staying as far away from Dennis and his fans as possible.

If that is how Dennis' fans view Tommy, and an extension of Dennis' views, there is no reason for Tommy to ever want to work with Dennis ever again, in Styx or not. It perfectly explains why he doesn't even acknowledge the conversation.

[Monker]

He's absolutely right> BNW sucked ass - especially the Tommy and JY songs. IF you think that is good music, then your taste sucks worse than I even thought. He did produce every Styx album. JY did the bookkeeping and Tommy did blow and looked cute for 16 magazine. That was the role of each member.

All that means is Dennis should be perfectly happy as a solo artist.

[Monker]

Take "charts" off the table then. Go by what the band admits is their biggest songs. GH1: DDY 10 songs, TS 5, JY 1. And who produced all those triple platinum albums? And your comment about Babe and Roboto stems from your short sighted ignorance. Those songs brought them millions of new fans. I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that those songs were so successful and that DDY blows Shaw out of the water in terms of overall contribution to the band.

Like I said, it goes completely over your head.

The GH is bunk...compare how well Styx' sold compared to Journey's. All this crap about production selling albums is bullshit.

I wish Styx management from back then was interviewed the way Herbie was...your entire argument shows a HUGE ignorance of how albums were sold back then. It's so fucking stupid to say production sold an album.

You fail to see the wisdom of Herbie's warning about hit songs. Roboto and Babe killed Styx. Those millions of fans did not keep the band together. Lady and Grand Illusioin is the Styx history that brought in millions of fans that built the legacy of Styx. When Dennis tried to shift to crappy pop music, he killed the band. He killed the thing that he loved.

[Boomchild]

He's absolutely right> BNW sucked ass - especially the Tommy and JY songs. IF you think that is good music, then your taste sucks worse than I even thought. He did produce every Styx album. JY did the bookkeeping and Tommy did blow and looked cute for 16 magazine. That was the role of each member.

Glad you have admitted here that even DDY's material for BNW "sucked ass". Somehow, I don't think DDY would agree with your assertions about JY's and TS's contributions to the band. I challenge you to post this statement, in verbatim on DDY's FB page.

[Boomchild]

That is simply not true.

Tommy is the ONLY member of Styx to have major success outside of the band...in Damn Yankees, including a #1 song. The only major success Dennis has ever had has been in Styx...everything else is no more remarkable that what Tommy has done, other than DY.

But, you didn't answer her question. What difference does it make, other than to stroke Dennis' ego and justify his arrogance?

Sorry but using DY as example of TS being more successful then DDY is a stretch. DY was a group not a solo act. I think you would be hard pressed to associate their success was due to TS himself. Let's compare apples to apples here. Which would be their solo works. In that case, their level of success is equal.

[Cassie May]

...And Renegade for years has had cultural significance to Pittsburgh. And Tommy is in the Alabama Music Hall of Fame. Is Dennis in any hall of fame? This Tommy vs Dennis shit can go on and on and on, but really, what's the point? What's the fucking point? To whom does it matter, except Toph?

Dennis is a better more accomplished, more successful artist than Tommy. I'm sorry you can't handle it.

I'd be interested in knowing just how you measure success. Apparently a Hall of Fame and a Hollywood F.A.M.E. Award from the LA Music Awards in 2010 just aren't enough. Not to mention all the artists Tommy has written and performed with, performances at NAMM for many years, tribute albums he has sung on, being invited to the Grand Ol Opry, and so forth.

Sorry you can't handle it.

[Cassie May]

Not desperate, just wanting to get the band back together for the fans. Not something arrogant Tommy Shaw even considers. Tommy is and has always been all about himself. He's acts like a child because he never matured beyond a child. Has temper tantrums and only thinks of himself. He's a pathetic little baby and can't see the forest for the trees.

OH, please....you are simply making the argument for Styx staying as far away from Dennis and his fans as possible.

If that is how Dennis' fans view Tommy, and an extension of Dennis' views, there is no reason for Tommy to ever want to work with Dennis ever again, in Styx or not. It perfectly explains why he doesn't even acknowledge the conversation.

Okay, Toph, when is the last time you SAW Tommy throw a tantrum? 33 YEARS ago when he smashed his guitar on stage and stomped off? Good Lord, Toph, if anyone needs to grow up around here it's you. You come across as the immature baby, crying, wailing, and waving your fists around because things aren't the way you want them and perceive them. Sad.