Back To Chicago

[SuiteMadameBlue]

You Rock Sadie

I like the name "DeYoungian", that is what I am too

Whether Styx or Dennis puts on a great show is subjective. Some may like the way Styx rocks out these days, others may not. I have enough comprehension to understand that, however my own opinion is that I feel they are diminished. Please notice I never said they were dminished because Dennis is no longer in the band. I said it because I truly do not feel they are all that great anymore. Period.

I totally agree with Sadie on this one.

Yogi - (I don't feel like stepping down to your level to call you a name) That IS sooooooo damn funny that Styx had to cut out Dennis' songs except "Lady", "Grand Illusion" and "Come Sail Away". They didn't cut out "Lorelie" yet, that Dennis CO-wrote and sang. So they still have 3 1/2 Dennis songs and don't forget the ones that are included in the medley that Todd put together. Isn't part of Mr. Roboto in the medley, the song that JY & Tommy HATES so much?? Oh yes, and part of the medley contains a couple more of songs Dennis wrote, co-wrote or sang on : "Light Up", "Put Me On", "Borrowed Time", "Superstars", "Rockin' The Paradise" and "Castle Walls". What IF the current Styx took out any songs that Dennis wrote, co-wrote or sang when he was with Styx? What would the set list be? Would they still be that great to see to a Styx die-hard or a Styx casual fan?

Dennis will be adding and changing his set list for the next couple of concerts. I'm sure SOME of the die-hard STYX fans will enjoy what he'll be adding.

"Back To Chicago" was a great opener!!! I enjoy Dennis' Hunchback songs too.

I hope you all have a great day today.

[froy]

Dennis will be adding and changing his set list for the next couple of concerts. I'm sure SOME of the die-hard STYX fans will enjoy what he'll be adding.

Don't be winking in here
Spill the beans man
What do you know?
If it's a new song in Moline You better tell me now so I can go

[swwskj]

Yo froy,

What about "Blue Collar Man?"

This is one of the few songs that still gets played on the radio. Let's not forget Boat on the River.

Don't get me wrong, my allegience is still the same, but I'm also not blind to reality. Remember Styx = Dennis, Tommy and JY. You can't have Styx without all three. Simple as that.

Scott

[froy]

Yo froy,

What about "Blue Collar Man?"

I said Blue Collar




This is one of the few songs that still gets played on the radio. Let's not forget Boat on the River.

Boat on the River was a hit only in Japan not America.
I know the song and love the song .




Don't get me wrong, my allegience is still the same, but I'm also not blind to reality. Remember Styx = Dennis, Tommy and JY. You can't have Styx without all three. Simple as that.


Amen Brother your right again .

Scott

[yogi]

Froy, Glen also sang Too Much Time On My Hands back in 1991. The concert I saw Glen sang lead on Blue Collar Man, Too Much Time On My Hands, Renegade, and Glen and JY did Snowblind. I also have a video of a show I believe its their tour show from KC where he does all of the above plus Fooling Yourself. Thats 5 Froy!!!! I personally saw them perform 4 and I have a video where they do 5. Again, you and the rest of the Type1's totally twist or MAKE UP the facts to support your lameass argument. The last two tours Main Event and right before Main Event with just REO Lorreli was dropped from the set and the ONLY DDY led songs played were Lady, Grand Illusion, and Come Sail Away. They did do the medley though. Again these are the FACTS!!!! JY only sung lead on These Are The Times and Miss America. Keep twisting those facts Type 1's. I admit I have NOT seen them with Ricky on bass, and I dont know their current set. All I know is when Tommy was out back in 1991 Styx with Dennis as their leader performed MOOORE Tommy led songs than Styx now performs DDY led songs!! These are FACTS Type1's. Froy you also spread that 15,000 # sales of Cyclorama around when you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE of the actual sales numbers. How are the sales of DDY's current CD? Has it reached the thousand milestone yet? How about those concert #'s, love to hear those too. Your arguments are really nothing mooore than a bunch of lies to support that blind love called Dennis.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yogi, I know the songs the current Styx are playing. That's why I wrote them down, including the ones that are featured in the medley - that's a FACT. Again, if they took away the songs from their current concert that Dennis wrote, co-wrote or sang LEAD on, what songs would be in the set-list They CAN'T take away the songs Dennis was a part of. I really think any type of Styx fan would be disappointed to see their current tour if those songs were gone. On other Styx boards, the die-hard current Styx fans are complaining about the same songs being played, what's that saying?

Okay for Yogi's sake let's go back in time again and again. IF I remember, when Tommy left it was on good terms and he was welcomed back into the band - HE WAS NOT KICKED OUT!!!! I saw the 1991 tour and there were no Tommy jokes made up on stage, no one from the band Styx during that time made any negative reference to Tommy not being in the band, etc. Let's see, Tommy did come back to the band Styx, went on a tour and even made another album/cd with the band Styx. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 1999 Dennis was KICKED out of the band and not asked to return. He was not asked to complete a new album/cd. To this day, he has not been asked to make any appearances with the band. Even if there wasn't a lawsuit, I PERSONALLY think that JY will not have anything to do with Dennis. It's been over 4 years. Dennis has moved on. The current Styx has moved on. The Classic Styx is no more. For those who don't know, there is only one original member that plays full time in the band Styx.

Styx started out as friends getting a band together and creating music. As the band Styx became bigger nationally and internationally there were a lot of pressures of each member of the band, managements and record companies, etc, etc, etc, Styx now became a business. The band Styx is still a business. Do you think the current members of the band are really great friends outside the touring? Do you think MOST bands especially of today are great friends? No, a lot of bands are put together and made a business.

The currant band Styx has made negative references about Dennis in print and on tv in the past 3 years. Dennis has not. The media (radio, newspaper & tv) enjoy finding out the "dirt" on the band Styx. They ask Dennis in almost every interview about Styx and if they will get back together. As for the current Styx, they too are asked about Dennis in almost every interview.

I'm happy to support Dennis, his new cd, his DVD and his concerts. To me, he co-founded Styx and will always be part of Styx. No one will ever take that away from me. Yogi, if you don't like it - too bad

Yogi, I hope you have a nice day

[Monker]

15 thousand people agree with you .

Numbers don't make an album good or bad. If you believe they do, well, your taste in music must really suck. Go out and buy the top ten albums and enjoy yourself. Buy all of the platinum albums from last year...I bet you only enjoy a small fraction.

The only thing they are begging for is for Gowan to stop butchering Dennis's songs.

You are absolutely WRONG. Styx entertains as well as any band out there - better then most. when they are at their best, they are better then Journey.

Really then why not try a show without a triple bill
Answer the place would be empty night after night.

Wrong again. I saw "An Evening With Styx"...and it was FAR from 'empty'.

Yes the Styx with Dennis in it
Not the copycat.
Fact is they do not have enough material to put on a show without Dennis's music.

So what? It's STYX music. They are not going out there performing Hunchback or JCS or "10 on Broadway". Again, they performed more NEW songs then Perryless Journey ever has...Between the Main Event Tour and the last show I saw, "These Are the Times", "Kiss Your Ass Goodbye", "Waiting For Our Time", "Fields of the Brave" and "More Love For the Money". That is FIVE Cyclorama songs. For Journey, I have ONLY heard TWO "State of Grace" and "Higher Place". And, you want to critique STYX for not moving on? They ARE doing what you WANT Journey to do.

So just because they use the name Styx no matter who is in the band they can play any song in there back catalog, is that what you are saying?

I am saying they have a right to do that...and there is NOTHING a few fans on the internet can do to stop it. If people stay home, they'll change their set...but, that isn't happening in the way YOU want it to.

If Burtnick sues to use the Styx name and wins can he sing Lady and Come sail away also ?
How about Ricky if he sues and wins can he play Fooling Yourself ?

Sure, if they want to. If they pay the fees, they can do it WITHOUT using the name of Styx...So what? If you don't like it, stay home. I would.

Dennis is touring with a huge banner that say's the music of Styx
Should he sing Miss America.
Answer no and the reason he does not have to

NOW you are changing the question from "can he?" to "SHOULD he?"

Well, he CAN do it, but he shouldn't simply because he's not performing a STYX concert. Styx CAN perform "Desert Moon", if they pay the fees. Should they? Of course not...BOTH are dumb ideas.

Styx with it's no original member lineup needs to or the show will be 45 min long.
Get off your soap box .

Not true AT ALL. I just listed FIVE Cyclorama songs I heard. ALL were accepted well, especialy "These Are the Times", "Kiss Your Ass Goodbye" and "Waiting For Our Time".

They perform the three or so Dennis songs because Styx fans EXPECT to hear them. It is really that simple.

Ahh but he is billing it as The Music of Styx wrong again eggbert.

He is NOT advertising himself as Styx. It is a Dennis solo concert featuring the music of Styx. That is a COMPLETELY different thing. Are you too thickheaded to not realize that?

Actually, he's not doing much advertising at all here. So, it's kind of a mute point anyway.

Funny how you have never heard any of that stuff in a live setting and you down play it .
Shows how shallow you really are .

I saw it on the Soundstage and wasn't very impressed. It's just not the type of music I am into. Hearing STYX songs with an orchestra IS something I find interesting and want to hear.

Why don't they do Curlewski songs Monk?
He was in the band .
What's the problem?

They could if they wanted to. But, I doubt many want to hear JC songs.

The opinions are the same because the 2 most popular members are not in the band . Gee how could it be any different.

No, the arguments are the same. You are now complaining about set lists and performing "Dennis songs"...Perry fans complain about Journey's set and relying on Perry songs. Which ends up with the same rebuttle - they are JOURNEY songs, not Perry songs. Journey is not out there performing "Oh, Sherrie", they perform "Don't Stop Believin". Why expect them to do anything else? The thing is, Styx DOES what YOu want Journey to do - perform more NEW songs. But, you complain about Styx anyway. I am sure that somebody out there is now thinking "Styx should have just changed their name..." Perry fans also suggest Journey should have changed their name.

It's all the same arguments, different names, different bands.

Wooo your a real tough guy Monk .

No, but I don't like people suggesting I do this and that when they have absolutely NO power to back it up. I'll do just the opposite and there is NOTHING they can do to stop me. It doesn't mean I am "tough". It means they are not able to direct ANYBODY on this forum. Only Andrew can do that.

[froy]

Froy, Glen also sang Too Much Time On My Hands back in 1991.

Not at the Chicago and Milwaukee shows

I also have a video of a show I believe its their tour show from KC where he does all of the above plus Fooling Yourself.

I want to see that video .
I don't ever remember hearing that he tried that one

And BTW that was one short tour and it was over never too be seen again.
Your current hero's have milked Dennis's material for what 4 or 5 tours already.
The cash grab tour continues with less and less fans buying in ,
At least Dennis does not need a triple bill to fill a venue

[froy]

15 thousand people agree with you .
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Numbers don't make an album good or bad.

Your right but it does show how many fans agreed with there wonderfull idea to replace Dennis
The numbers speak volumes.

So just because they use the name Styx no matter who is in the band they can play any song in there back catalog, is that what you are saying?

I am saying they have a right to do that...

So they have a right to sing Babe a song about Dennis's wife
And they also have the right to Sing Lady another song written for his wife
Your insane.




[

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If Burtnick sues to use the Styx name and wins can he sing Lady and Come sail away also ?
How about Ricky if he sues and wins can he play Fooling Yourself ?


Sure, if they want to.

So music to you is all about the right to sing a song no matter what.
The songs are all up to the courts as who can sing them.
So if Dennis gets a guy to sing Fooling Yourself that's no problem for you.

Dennis is touring with a huge banner that say's the music of Styx
Should he sing Miss America.
Answer no and the reason he does not have to


NOW you are changing the question from "can he?" to "SHOULD he?"

Well, he CAN do it, but he shouldn't simply because he's not performing a STYX concert. Styx CAN perform "Desert Moon", if they pay the fees. Should they? Of course not...BOTH are dumb ideas.

Ah so when Shaw brought a Damm Yankees song into the Styx set and GetGowan brought in Criminal Mind those were dumb ideas
Correct ?

He is NOT advertising himself as Styx. It is a Dennis solo concert featuring the music of Styx. That is a COMPLETELY different thing.
Are you too thickheaded to not realize that?

Shaw and JY bill themselves as Styx and then do Criminal Mind and High Enough what's that false advertisement .

Why don't they do Curlewski songs Monk?
He was in the band .
What's the problem?

They could if they wanted to. But, I doubt many want to hear JC songs.

Ahh so use Dennis's songs because they were sucsessfull.
It's easy to see that Shaw and JY just use whatever they can to make a payday ,,

[yogi]

Froy, You have my address send me a VHS tape and I'll make a copy and send it to you. When I do this for you I will then want you to post here that what I say is correct, and that along with most of your other half truths and made up fact are exactly what they really are YOUR TOTAL BLIND belief that Dennis is STYX. Glen sings lead on Blue Collar Man, Too Much Time On My Hands, Renegade, Fooling Yourself and he and JY do Snowblind on the video. When I saw them in Minneapolis he did not do Fooling Yourself, but he sang lead on all the others. My posts while often trying to be humerous are at least factual. Yours are NOT. Cyclorama sales of 15,000 where do those numbers come from???? Out of thin air thats where they come from. Give us those DDY CD and ticket sales #s. How many people do you think of the 2500 attending the DDY shows are those that are relatives or friends of orchestra players or parents, relatives or friends of childrens chior particapants. How many in attendance at DDY's shows are receiving comp tickets?? I wonder how many are actually paying customers of DDY and his band? Guess what Froy, some in attendance are there ONLY to see the orchestra! Some even have orchestra season passes. I sat next to some of these people when I saw Dennis in Houston. I hate to tell you this Froy, as much as you wish you could CONTROL the business affairs of Dennis Deyoung, Tommy Shaw, James Young, Todd Sucherman, Chuck Panozzo, Glen Burtnik, and Ricky Phillips you.... CANT!! You also cant make it 1976-1983 again. keep trying though it is humerous watching you try. Send me that tape, and I will PROVE you WRONG AGAIN!!!!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yogi, I can answer that only 25 tickets are Comp tickets at each show - THAT is a fact. The rest are paid ticket holders, whether the band is paying for family & friends or fans are paying.

Have a nice day

[Monker]

Froy, you are so out of whack. I don't know what your point is any longer.

The FACT is that a band has the right to perform any song they want to. If JOURNEY wants to perform Babe, they can pay the fees and do it. If Dennis wants to perform "Foolish Heart", he can pay the fees and do it. If Styx wants to perform "Desert Moon", they can pay the fees and do it. If Journey wants to perform "Oh, Sherrie", they can pay the fees and do it. They have the RIGHT to do so gauranteed under the Constitution. It's called free speech.

Now, just because they have the RIGHT to do it does not mean they should. Styx and Journey SHOULD perform songs that the fans want to hear so they can fill the venues and keep performing and touring. That means that Styx performs Styx songs, even if Dennis wrote them for his wife, if the fans go to the concert expecting to see them. A few fans on the internet whining about it isn't going to change that. It shouldn't.

As for Styx performing DY, or Gowan solo songs, being 'dumb ideas'. I have no idea where you are coming from. Was it a 'dumb idea' for Journey to perform Schon & Hammer songs, or "Foolish Heart" and "Oh, Sherrie" during the ROR/Frontiers tours? It all depends on the context in which those songs are performed. After hearing Cyclorama, IMO, Tommy and Glen's vocals blend incredibly well and can EASILY get by performing ANY DY song...Why not do it? Why not allow Gowan to perform a solo song? Those are COMPLETELY different situations then Styx performing a Dennis solo song, when Dennis isn't even in the band. They have the RIGHT to do it, but why should they?

As for Tommy and JY using whatever songs they can to 'make a payday', what do you think DENNIS is doing when he performs Styx songs? He has enough solo material where he can perform an entire concert without touching Styx songs. So, why does he do it? For the same reason Styx does - people go to the concert expecting to hear it. It's really that simple.

[yogi]

Here is the Edge of The Century Tour set Styx performed in either KC or St. Louis: Love Is The Ritual, Lady, Fooling Yourself, The Grand Illusion,
Too Much Time On My Hands, Edge Of The Century, Babe, Show Me The Way, Blue Collar Man, Homewrecker, Mr. Roboto, All In A Days Work, Suite Madam Blue, Dont Let It End, Miss America, The Best Of Times, Renegade, Come Sail Away. Sorry Froy, I was wrong Glen only sung 4 of Tommy Shaw led songs. In this set they did not perform Snowblind. I guess it was replaced by Fooling Yourself. The concert I saw in Minneapolis they did not do Fooling Yourself, or Homewrecker, but did Snowblind and Lorreli instead. With that said Styx in 1991 with Dennis Deyoung at the helm, and trying to promote their Edge Of The Century CD still played 4 Tommy Shaw led tunes live in concert. Styx 2003 while trying to promote Cyclorama performed 3 Dennis Deyoung led songs. This is FACT!! Slant that now for your benefit!! On last thing Glen was not booed off stage as soo many of you are led to believe when he replaced Tommy. There may have been a few rumblings by die hard Tommydroolers none were even heard where we sat. On the KC or St Louis video the crowd seems pretty fired up also and appear to be having a GREAT time. Glen was EXCELLENT, and the concert was GREAT even without Tommy Shaw, just as the shows now are GREAT minus Dennis Deyoung. The music is GREAT, Most EVERYONE has fun, and goes home happy. That's what it is suppose to be about. Styx accomplishes this EVERY TIME out no matter who is or isnt in the group. Wake the hell up and figure this out!!

[froy]

Froy, you are so out of whack. I don't know what your point is any longer.

Im out of wack
Yea right
Your the one who takes posts and changes names around and then makes thing up,
Only when you have been proven wrong does the whatever's and your out of wacks come out.

The FACT is that a band has the right to perform any song they want to.

The fact is your full of crap .
If Curlewski had a few number one hits they would milk them to sell tickets .
Get real Monk.
Heck your bitching about Dennis doing his Huntchback material .
If you don't like it STAY HOME .
The ticket say's Dennis DeYoung remember .

Now, just because they have the RIGHT to do it does not mean they should.

Well bust my britches .
And that's exactly how we feel about Styx doing Dennis songs
By the free speech act they can sing em but it's wrong to do so .

Styx and Journey SHOULD perform songs that the fans want to hear so they can fill the venues and keep performing and touring.

And the fans don't want Dennis songs to be sung other than by him
So they should listen.

That means that Styx performs Styx songs, even if Dennis wrote them for his wife, if the fans go to the concert expecting to see them.

The expectations of the fans is irrelavant.
They don't by tickets with any assurance that any song will be played.
Wrong again .


As for Styx performing DY, or Gowan solo songs, being 'dumb ideas'. I have no idea where you are coming from. Was it a 'dumb idea' for Journey to perform Schon & Hammer songs, or "Foolish Heart" and "Oh, Sherrie" during the ROR/Frontiers tours?

You said it yourself
Read your own words.

As for Tommy and JY using whatever songs they can to 'make a payday', what do you think DENNIS is doing when he performs Styx songs?

Dude HIS STYX songs NOT SHAWS OR THE LEGENDS
Are you really this dense?

[yogi]

Man Hands, I will respond to a few of your quotes: To the best of my knowledge Styx has NEVER ripped or made fun of Dennis up on stage. Ive seen around 7 or 8 concerts since 1999 and Dennis has NEVER been talked about or made fun of at ANY of these shows. Maybe what you are referring to is what Tommy did in regards to 'Babe' while a member of Damn Yankees. He did publically apologize for that. When Styx broke up in 1984 Chuck said they did with their middle fingers held up in the air. The 1984 breakup was not a happy one. To the best of my knowledge they didnt get back together until 1995 with the rerecording of Lady. So when Tommy did make fun of Babe he probably was still pissed off at DDY and The Kilroy Tour which cost the band millions. So lets move on.... Styx did. I have a recording of Dennis showing up to sing Come Sail Away, and Suite Madam Blue with Tommy when Tommy was doing The Borders Seven Deadly Zens Tour. They hug and act like best buds. Times change Man Hands. The only other thing I can think you are referring to in regards to Styx ripping Dennis are some of the lyrics found in Cyclorama. Thats TOTAL bull. NONE of us will know for SURE what the true meaning of the lyrics are. The Fact remains when Tommy was NOT in Styx the band performed at LEAST 4 of his led tunes. During The Main Event Concert Styx only performed 3 Dennis led tunes. That is FACT!!! As for your orginal band members take.. WAKE UP Two of the orginal Five members are dead and One has AIDS. Get real, most Styx fans view Tommy as an orginal member. I feel like I am one of the few even here who TRULY recognizes the brilliance of John C. , and how he was a HUGE factor in Styx becomming the GREAT band they are. Equinox was the turning point for the band John was there!!!!!!!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yogi, you're not a bright person, it's obvious in your posts especially that you have to keep calling me names.

I never said that Styx ripped on Dennis up on stage. They did rip on him in recent (2003) magazine and newspaper articles. I'm not saying that the songs off the Carrot cd are ripping on Dennis. You are right about one thing, no one (fans) will know for sure about the lyrics. It was also interesting that on all the Tuesday's of the year, that cd was released on Dennis' birthday? Hmmm, very interesting.

Yogi, did the Kilroy Tour cost the BAND MILLIONS? Is that a fact that you can back up? I'd like to know where you read that information.

I have the same Borders recording. I know that time changes.

What about Dennis' songs in the Medley? Take those out too, then what do you have for a Styx concert? So they NEED Dennis' songs on tour - whatever.

I like Styx as a band when they were in their hey-day - that's the version of Styx that I like. That's the point I was making. I don't care for this current line-up they're calling Styx. You wake up.

[maxell]

Here is the Edge of The Century Tour set Styx performed in either KC or St. Louis: Love Is The Ritual, Lady, Fooling Yourself, The Grand Illusion,
Too Much Time On My Hands, Edge Of The Century, Babe, Show Me The Way, Blue Collar Man, Homewrecker, Mr. Roboto, All In A Days Work, Suite Madam Blue, Dont Let It End, Miss America, The Best Of Times, Renegade, Come Sail Away.

I am pretty sure Mr. Roboto was never performed on the EOTC tour, or ever for that matter, except for the "half live" version on the Kilroy tour.

[froy]

Here is the Edge of The Century Tour set Styx performed in either KC or St. Louis: Love Is The Ritual, Lady, Fooling Yourself, The Grand Illusion,
Too Much Time On My Hands, Edge Of The Century, Babe, Show Me The Way, Blue Collar Man, Homewrecker, Mr. Roboto, All In A Days Work, Suite Madam Blue, Dont Let It End, Miss America, The Best Of Times, Renegade, Come Sail Away.

I am pretty sure Mr. Roboto was never performed on the EOTC tour, or ever for that matter, except for the "half live" version on the Kilroy tour.

Right you are Max Mr Roboto was never played
Is Yogi lying ?
I never heard that they did a version of Fooling Yourself either.

[yogi]

Man Hands, Styx did not play The Medley on The Main Event Tour, I stated they did play it on their short tour with REO right before The Main Event Tour. The score is still Tommy led songs sung by Glen in 1991 4, Dennis led songs sung by Gowan on The Main Event Tour 3.. Froy, & Max you are 100% correct about Mr. Roboto not being sung in 1991.I went off the top of my head when I started posting the 1991(Missouri) set, some of the songs I could not remember so I pulled the tape out and went through it real fast. I was fastforwarding and writing going through the concert at top speed, I have NO clue why I thought they played Roboto, I may be wrong on one or two other songs too.They did play Not Dead Yet, My VCR and computer are in two seperate rooms. I apologize for MY error, but I do know and have for a fact Glen performing Fooling Yourself on this set. I stand corrected. Froy, about the same time I sent you that tape of DDY and other Styx and Dennis videos I sent another poster a different video I used to sell on E-Bay it was called Styx - Now & Then. What I did was show different concert footage of the same song recorded at different times and places form around 1977-2002. Example I have three different versions of 'Lady' recorded back to back to back. It took me forever to gather the footage, and put the tape together. Some of the early footage was not the best of quality, still I wanted to include it the tape. I sold alot of these tapes. Towards the end I had some complaints because of the quality of the early video. Since I was tired of pissing off certain Styx fans I stopped selling. I have a whole bunch of clips of the concert I am referring to on it. I think I sent it to Scott but I cant remember his user name. He can verify to a point I have the tape, and it does exist. The last song on the tape is different versions of Fooling Yourself- I have three versions on the tape one from Styx in Japan back on The Orginal Paradise Theatre Tour, One with The current band including Chuck its from 2001, and the last is with Glen performing it in 1991. Thats the truth. Scott, or (swaski) please post and verify I am telling the 100% TOTAL truth. We have got a good assembly line going here! Keep it coming!!!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I'll have to see what I have on my tapes & DVD's. I know for sure I have the 1981 Japan tour and the 1981 Landover, Maryland tape.

I'm watching the Arsenio Hall 1990 clip now - I forgot how Glen looked. TOO funny!! You're right, he just stands there. When did cd's come out? Arsenio is holding their Edge of The Century ALBUM.
Doesn't 1990 seem so long ago now?

The earliest film footage I have is from 1972, "Best Thing" filmed at the Milwaukee Lakefront

[yogi]

Two last things Man Hands,
On The Behind The Music episode on Styx it was stated that the band was losing millions of dollars playing the smaller venues(Kilroy tour) when they could be selling out stadiums.Thats when they took their shows(Kilroy) to the stadiums(' It was like taking Shakesphere to Football fields', there was some sort of quote like that). I took that as a fact, and I believe it is a fact. Although, I was at the Dallas show(Texas Jam) they talked about and how it was dipicted to me was NOT true at all.Also, I sure would like to know or hear some of the negative things that the current band is saying about Dennis. You said you have, or read a 2003 article, and other recent articles where the band rips him. I find that hard to believe. I think ALL of them have moved on. We are the ONLY ones who havent. Please post when, where, and what was said. Finally, you need to lighten up...... Man Hands was a TOTAL knockout, despite the GIANT meathooks!!

[Monker]

The DY/Babe thing - It was JOKE. They also made fun of "Sister Christian", was Jack mad at Night Ranger? It had nothing to do with Tommy being mad. There was a post on the OLD "Notes From the Band" from Tommy that told the story of how he bumped into Dennis during the DY tour. Dennis told him how upset and hurt he was by the joke. Tommy told hm he would never do it again, and he didn't.

The release date of Cyclorama is a coinkadink...Labels release albums, not bands. Do you really believe that Styx has so much power in Sanctuary that they can dictate the release date of their album? I don't.

Medley = they are STYX songs, not Dennis songs. Styx is free to perform any Styx song they choose...and the medley is AWESOME. They did not perform it on the Main Event tour...But, they did perform it on the "Evening With Styx" shows that followed it.

Dennis DID perform with Styx at least once after the BNW release. I don't think we will ever know everything that happened. IMO, they had no intention of firing Dennis IN THE BEGINNING. Again, IMO, I think Dennis simply wanted them to stop touring, the band didn't want to, so an impass formed. Eventualy, it came down to firing Dennis or stop the tour, so they fired Dennis, Dennis sued, and then settled out of court. VW commercials had little to do with...touring for a new album did.

Dennis and insults...IMO, the most insulting thing said during this entire fiasco was Dennis saying that Tommy only paid attention to fans on the internet who would drink his bathwater if he asked them to (or, whatever the 'bathwater' quote is). Insulting the fans is uncalled for and he was WAY out of line for doing it.

"Only 1 original member". Well, that's a cheap shot. If Dennis had toured for BNW, the ONLY difference would have been him replacing Gowan. Is "Only 2 orignal members" so much more legitimate? Chuck has even supported this band from the beginning...even performing with them.

The bottom line in all of this is that Styx STILL has fans without Dennis. They can STILL record without Dennis. They can STILL tour without Dennis. If people did not like the band as it is, they would not be able to tour because people would not REPEATEDLY go to their shows. Venues wouldn't book them...because they couldn't sell tickets. If they couldn't sell albums, Sanctuary would drop them. Dennis is not missed within Styx as much as some WANT him to be.

[yogi]

WRITE ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[classicstyxfan]

I dont think Dennis is missed "within Styx" at all.....I think they are many times more functional with Gowan in the Band.....or at least they put up a good front.

I do think he is missed by many fans though.........sorry, but many of us just cant stomach Gowan's vocals of Dennis songs. ......it's sort of like if the Beatles had reformed in the 70's with Bob Dylan singing Paul's parts......is Dylan talented ? yep, can he write a good song, I dont even have to answer that.....would the Beatles sound good with ol' bob singing lead on Hey Jude ? The Long and Winding Road ? Let it be ? I think not !!!!!

By the way, Dylan sounds just fine doing his own songs, so does Gowan.

PS I think I'd like to hear Dennis sing lead on Renegade at one of his shows......that would be a hoot !

[LordofDaRing]

I don't remembe DY making fun of Sister Christian. By the way didn't the drummer of Night Ranger writer that song about his sister? If so, maybe somebody should ask him if he was pissed off ...... instead of jack. After all Tommy did not write Babe.

[swwskj]

Yogi,

I never did get a tape from you, so I can't verify that what you were saying was total truth, but it sounds true enough to me.

As far as BTM, the Kilroy stage show WAS too costly to be covered by small venue revenues. THAT much I can back you up on.

As far as I know, and I may be wrong here, Styx in any form has not played any version of any song from Kilroy (With Vocals that is) since the Kilroy tour. My Dennis loyalty may blind me, but I think DDY realized the impact that the Kilroy album had on the band (he says as much in BTM) and probably avoided playing anything off it in order to not bring up bad memories.

Hope that helps at least at little Yogi.

And while I'm in a passing out props mode, Monker-your last couple of posts have been classics. I really like the Neal = Tommy, Babe = Open Arms comparison one especially. That post was dead on!

Scott

(By the way the SWWSKJ is a chrostic of my families initials, not a Polish adverb, just in case anyone was wondering)

[yogi]

I sent the Styx Now & Then Video that I had made to classicstyx. He can verify that and that I am telling the truth.

[classicstyxfan]

I can verify that I have the tape......

Yogi, I have $5.00 in Arby's gift certificates I have been meaning to send you for MONTHS to say "thanks" on my desk in my home office.....I'll get that out to you one of these days. Pretty rude of me to procrastinate on that after I said I'd help pay for your cost...

I couldnt see what it was that I was supposed to verify or deny, ( other than I got the tape ) though.

[piecesofeight]

[quote="classicstyxfan"]
I do think he is missed by many fans though.........sorry, but many of us just cant stomach Gowan's vocals of Dennis songs. ......it's sort of like if the Beatles had reformed in the 70's with Bob Dylan singing Paul's parts......


ROTFLMAO

[piecesofeight]

All this talk about Dennis not being missed. It's so easy NOW to take shots and both Perry and Deyoung, yet those bands were SO sucessful when both were in the bands. I still go back to wondering this. IF people like Lawrence so much better in the band than Dennis and so many are going to the concerts, how come Cyclorams isn't selling that well. With Dennis, Styx sold millions of records. It's Dennis's Styx songs that are being used in so many commercial type things today. So many.....When you bring up Styx, I bet it's a Dennis Styx song that someone else will mention. IF, which won't happen ever, Dennis returned to Styx, I believe there would be a high in the air by many. What surprises me is how many think that Lawrence handles Dennis' songs just fine. If people are SO happy with Lawrence in the group over Dennis, then how come it's the Styx cd's with Dennis that are selling so well and not the one's that Lawrence is on? We can all debate about how cd's are not selling that well today, but the Styx cd's with Dennis are selling more units than the one's with Lawrence.......