Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame

[Ash]

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[bugsymalone]

Maybe the politics is fairly easy to understand when you glance over the list. THE MONKEES???

And "I'm a Believer" was written and sung by Neil Diamond. Didn't see him on that list.

An interesting group of songs and performers, many with which I agree and many I do not. But I don't have a vote in choosing who does, or does not, get into the R & R Hall of Fame.

If nothing else, Dennis DeYoung certainly deserves a place in the Songwriter's Hall of Fame.
And I can see by some of the posts here that his songwriting, which works on so many levels, is simply beyond the understanding of certain people.
Maybe they can plumb the depths of "Let's Go Crazy."


Bugsy

[DeeJaySTYX]

Usually when someone says a songs sucks and I disagree I usually don't reply because I believe that that person is entitled to his opinion..

As for Snowblind.I know the it was about drug addicition but it was shallow.almost lame.

You're joking!!!!! JY singing the low side when you're not on the drug( more specificly cocaine) and you're feeling the withdraws and thinking that life sucks, and Tommy singing the high side when your on the drug and you're blinded from reality..I thought this song was CLEVERLY done....


And Suite Madam Blue, America repeated over and over...Yea, So....You're dressed in your jewels, You made your own rules(Constitution), you've conquered the world and more.....Heaven's door....This line is talking about America's acomplishments including putting a man on the moon...Heaven's Door.. AGAIN CLEVERLY done...

And to say that Prince tackled more important issues in his songs than Styx did I say RUBBISH!!!! I agree with sadie that each tackled issues that were important to them... Does Grand Illusion ring a bell???


DeeJay...

[swwskj]

Before I begin, let me say that given the choice of listening to Styx or Prince I choose Styx. But, I am a big fan of both.

First of all just because your music is "influential" doesn't mean that it's necessarily good. Kind of like the ear of the beholder let's say. Also what influences someone varies depending upon whom you talk to.

Styx wrote some fantastic music in the late 70's and early 80's, but it wasn't "influencial" at least not to the critics. They weren't trying to solve the worlds problems without even trying or blaze some new musical trail. But who the hell cares?

Prince wrote some great music in the 80's and one great album (1994's The Gold Experience) in the 90's. The difference was that he took a lot of chances musically. Some of the songs were good, some were not.

The other difference between Styx and Prince is this, Styx is primarily 3 songwriters, while Prince is but one. He also produces, writes, composes and performs practically everything on his albums. He's made several movies and is always looking to push the envelope.

The bottom line is does any of this matter? Only the music matters to me. Yes Prince had some great stuff and took chances and did in fact compose some really intruiging music. However, starting around the time he became the symbol man I feel his need to be a trailblazer became more important to him than the desire to create good music.

Perhaps in order to catch the eye of the HOF voter you do need to seperate yourself from the herd. For me the only way Styx did this was by crafting great albums. And for me that's all that really matters anyway.

Scott

[swwskj]

Before I begin, let me say that given the choice of listening to Styx or Prince I choose Styx. But, I am a big fan of both.

First of all just because your music is "influential" doesn't mean that it's necessarily good. Kind of like the ear of the beholder let's say. Also what influences someone varies depending upon whom you talk to.

Styx wrote some fantastic music in the late 70's and early 80's, but it wasn't "influencial" at least not to the critics. They weren't trying to solve the worlds problems without even trying or blaze some new musical trail. But who the hell cares?

Prince wrote some great music in the 80's and one great album (1994's The Gold Experience) in the 90's. The difference was that he took a lot of chances musically. Some of the songs were good, some were not.

The other difference between Styx and Prince is this, Styx is primarily 3 songwriters, while Prince is but one. He also produces, writes, composes and performs practically everything on his albums. He's made several movies and is always looking to push the envelope.

The bottom line is does any of this matter? Only the music matters to me. Yes Prince had some great stuff and took chances and did in fact compose some really intruiging music. However, starting around the time he became the symbol man I feel his need to be a trailblazer became more important to him than the desire to create good music.

Perhaps in order to catch the eye of the HOF voter you do need to seperate yourself from the herd. For me the only way Styx did this was by crafting great albums. And for me that's all that really matters anyway.

Scott

[bugsymalone]

Perhaps in order to catch the eye of the HOF voter you do need to seperate yourself from the herd. For me the only way Styx did this was by crafting great albums. And for me that's all that really matters anyway.

Excellent point. Sadly, these terrific albums were only fan favorites, not critical favorites.

Classic Styx may not get into the Hall of Fame, but the music endures and that is what truly counts.

Bugsy

[GaryS]

[quote]You're joking!!!!! JY singing the low side when you're not on the drug( more specificly cocaine) and you're feeling the withdraws and thinking that life sucks, and Tommy singing the high side when your on the drug and you're blinded from reality..I thought this song was CLEVERLY done....

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!
I don't care what anybody's 14 year old whatever wants to hear at their b-day party. The facts are STILL the facts. Remember this started when somebody called Prince talentless. I said that I was a Styx fan but to call Prince talentless is ridiculous. Especially compared to Styx.
I think that they will get in the RRHOF right after they hockey game that JY keeps talking about.

[DeeJaySTYX]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!

NOPE..I speak for myself...I thought that Snowblind was cleverly written to where the message is that cocaine needs to be avoided...

I don't care what anybody's 14 year old whatever wants to hear at their b-day party.

What are you talking about????There's nothing in my posts about a 14 year old at a birthday party...

Remember this stared when somebody called Prince talentless.

And I understand your point..Prince is Talented and I like some of his music..But to belittle and degrade Styx the way you did with sarcasm in order to make Prince look better is mind boggling..

Styx little themes were so contrived. Suite Madam Blue? Tail end of 75...what was the next year? Oh yeah...it was 1976. The bicentennial. Huge USA movement. Uncle Sam was everywhere. And wow....Styx wrote a song for the big party.Big suprise. I am not knockin' it I am pointing out the fact. STYX WERE FOLLOWERS!!! NOT LEADERS!!!NOT GROUNDBREAKERS!!!
Prince was a leader and a groundbreaker.

I find it funny that you can call Styx followers by writing Suite Madam Blue for the 1976 bicentennial celebration and call Prince A leader and a Groundbreaker when he made the following song: 1999

"Cuz they say 2000 zero zero party's over, oops, out of time, so tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999"...Didn't he write that for the turn of the century????


And a Thank you to Scott for another good post for which I totally agree with...

DeeJay....

[classicstyxfan]

So Gary, did you take a wrong turn at Albequerque and wind up on this board or what ? there's got to be a Purple Rain fan club board you would find much more entertaining than this place is...

The Music of Styx may well be forgotten 20 years from now, but Prince and whatever you call that noise he recorded will be right there with them....

If you put me on a desert island with only Prince and Right Said Fred CD's
well, 1st I'd sing to myself alot, but when it was all said and done, I'm not sure which one would get more play after I developed laryngitis..... It wouldnt matter though, Insanity would certainly set in before either one got a spin.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Thanks kiddo for the link of the 500 most influential songs on rock and roll and the artists who made them famous. That was very interesting and while reading the list I had to remember this was just his opinion.

I still want to know who these "rock experts" are too. I also want to know what makes a "rock expert".

I seriously hope Dennis makes it into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. I was disappointed to see that he wasn't in there. Again, I can't understand how some of the artists made it in there too. My opinion again.

I agree with "Zombie Styx", oops I mean Sadie's comment to Gary:

To further argue that Prince is WAY more deserving because he tackled barriers is not FACT, it's your OPINION. Perhaps you might look up the words. I respect your right to your opinion, but it doesn't make it FACT.

Gary, it is YOUR opinion about Prince and how you feel. I liked Prince during the Purple Rain time and when I used to go out dancing. Most of the songs I won't let my kids listen too because of the lyrics. That goes for most of the songs of today.

Do you think Styx will be considered for nomination with a few of the band members on bitter terms with each other? Especially with the 3 main ones? I was talking with a good friend and she brought up when the Police were inducted. There were a few problems and Stewart Copeland almost didn't perform. He had/has issues with Sting. He didn't even stay after for any group pictures. That's problems with the performance, show and to be inducted.

Let's see, Van Halen was nominated but not inducted. There's always rumors about Eddie not getting along with band members or what ever. Hmmmmm, passed over this year. Hey, I have an idea, let's get together on "good" terms with Sammy Hagar, since DLR is impossible to deal with, and let's tour. Let's show the world that we can get along. Let's show the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame committee that we can get along. Let's prove this so we'll be inducted. Yes, they'll be inducted with DLR, they should. They sure influenced a LOT of bands.

I personally think Styx should be inducted into the R&RHOF. They shouldn't be over looked. JY really needs to enter an anger management class and start talking more positive about the former group called Styx. Seriously. Tommy is starting to either avoid the Dennis questions and is talking less negative. Didn't anyone notice that their website actually listed Dennis as a member at one time?

Just my opinions

[GaryS]

Again... I am not a huge Prince fan.
1999 came out in 80something...
AND I stand by everything that I say. Just because I don't think Styx in the end all doesn't mean that I can't be a fan.
Classic... Print this out and show it to ANYBODY that is not a Styx Zombie and they will agree... with me.
Happy Easter.

[GaryS]

I hear ya - my 14 year old nephew recently bought The Best of Styx....

There was this and the post about the 17 year olds SLUMBER party. Go confused.
So I will check out the Styx exhibit @ the Hall of Fame.... Wait.. I am confused again. Styx isn't in the Hall of Fame... whooops!
Again have a nice easter... and if any of you get a chance go see Fog of War.

[Ash]

Hey Suite.... don't forget that John Fogherty and the rest of CCR BITTERLY hate eachother and have for decades. The relationship between Fogherty and CCR makes Styx/DDY look like a Teletubby love fest.... yet they got into the hall of fame - when only Fogherty was deserving IMO because he penned EVERY SINGLE one of the songs people remember.

I'm actually hoping Fogherty swings through Middle TN on his next tour - I'd love to catch his show.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

The relationship between Fogherty and CCR makes Styx/DDY look like a Teletubby love fest....

This HAS to be the quote of the week

TOO FUNNY!!!

Ash, I forgot about Fogerty & CCR. I hope you get a chance to see John Fogerty. Is he touring? I didn't see a schedule for him.

Gary, just curious, how old are you? No offense, I'm just curious if you're about the same age of most of us on here 18-25, just kidding, the 30 and older group. Also what's up with the "Styx Zombie"? That's a new one - LOL

I hope you all have a nice Easter weekend too

[GaryS]

I am 36.

[GaryS]

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[Ash]

I actually just checked out Fogherty's most recent live album on iTunes music store and he sounds incredible musically. He's currently working on a new record and I guess will tour for that.

I think the guy makes a living just off the "Centerfield" song he did that gets played at a million baseball stadiums every year. It's sung more places than "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" these days.

[I Stumble In]

WHAT!!!! DDY for the songwriters hall of fame. You have got to be kidding me. Now granted - he has written some good songs - with 95% of the good ones being ballads. But explain to me what else he's written and for whom (insert Hunchback joke here) - uhhhhhh - NONE!!!!!
Now - Tommy has written for Styx, Damn Yankees, Solo, Jack Blades, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, Ozzie, Alice Cooper - just to name a few. He has written for Rock and Roll legends - he is widely respected with these people as a songwriter, he's also jammed with all of these artists as well as other (Eddie VH). If anyone in the Styx legacy should make it as a sonwriter - it's Tommy.

[sadie65]

Well I can see your point, however, I disagree that just because Tommy wrote for other artists mean his material as a songwriter is more deserving of inclusion into the songwriter's hall of fame.

I would think it would be based more on popularity of the material itself, whether or not it is considered to be a song that advances the art so to speak. To that end, Dennis has written more successful material than TS.

Not taking anything away from Tommy's skills at all, but I would think Dennis' material is just as noteworthy from the standpoint I took above. And while I fully recognize Hunchback is not for everyone (if you look at it from a rock perspective) it is still beautiful material for what it is about.

Sadie

[Ash]

Ever notice how the rabid Tommy fans have to put DDY down at the same time they promote their guy? Most of us recognize the talents of all the members... Hell "7 Deadly Zens" is my favorite Styx-Solo-Artist recording (the Japanese version with "How Should I Feel" which is the best song on the disc IMO).

Tommy's written a lot of songs for a lot of people and that's awesome.

DDY has written songs which have made their way in to the cultural lexicon.

Both have merit.

Do you have to tear one down to build another up? Tommy and JY have pissed me off with their attitude toward JY, that doesn't mean I can't like and respect what Shaw has done as an artist.

[kiddo]

This is the mission of the Songwriters Hall of Fame:

"Founded in 1969, the Songwriters Hall of Fame is dedicated to recognizing and honoring the accomplishments and lives of those men and women who create the popular songs that serve as the soundtrack of our lives."


Soundtrack of our lives. Yep.
Dennis DeYoung has given us prom songs, love our country songs and there's always hope songs.
It has nothing to do with for whom he's written for or jammed with.


kiddo

WHAT!!!! DDY for the songwriters hall of fame. You have got to be kidding me. Now granted - he has written some good songs - with 95% of the good ones being ballads. But explain to me what else he's written and for whom (insert Hunchback joke here) - uhhhhhh - NONE!!!!!
Now - Tommy has written for Styx, Damn Yankees, Solo, Jack Blades, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, Ozzie, Alice Cooper - just to name a few. He has written for Rock and Roll legends - he is widely respected with these people as a songwriter, he's also jammed with all of these artists as well as other (Eddie VH). If anyone in the Styx legacy should make it as a sonwriter - it's Tommy.

[rock6542]

Tommy's written a lot of songs for a lot of people and that's awesome.

DDY has written songs which have made their way in to the cultural lexicon.

Both have merit.

Do you have to tear one down to build another up?

Well said Ash. I agree.

[I Stumble In]

Ash - I did not tear DDY down - if you read the post I said that he had written some very good songs - hell - one of my favorites by him is "South Bound Ryan" (Love the horn section - like Lonely People)
My response was for songwriting and the impact they've both had with other artists. I don't see a lot of people asking Dennis to write songs for them - that's all. I seriously doubt either will make it into the HOF for songwriters. I was just making the case that Tommy has been more influential with other artists - that's all.

[DeeJaySTYX]

Actually with the full history of Styx, I believe three of its current and former members should be inducted into the Song Writers Hall of Fame...

1( Dennis DeYoung

2( Tommy Shaw

3( Glen Burtnik



DeeJay....

[kiddo]

My post must have gotten swallowed up along with some of the others.

The mission of the Songwriter's Hall of Fame is:

"dedicated to recognizing and honoring the accomplishments and lives of those men and women who create the popular songs that serve as the soundtrack of our lives."


"DeYoung".
Capital D little E captial Y.

kiddo

Well I can see your point, however, I disagree that just because Tommy wrote for other artists mean his material as a songwriter is more deserving of inclusion into the songwriter's hall of fame.

I would think it would be based more on popularity of the material itself, whether or not it is considered to be a song that advances the art so to speak. To that end, Dennis has written more successful material than TS.

Not taking anything away from Tommy's skills at all, but I would think Dennis' material is just as noteworthy from the standpoint I took above. And while I fully recognize Hunchback is not for everyone (if you look at it from a rock perspective) it is still beautiful material for what it is about.

Sadie