New Walrus News - Styx

[styxfanNH]

Just to put this in Rock N Roll Perspective let me know if these 2 points are correct:

1. Tommy and JY Never sang any leading vocals on any Styx album prior to Dennis leaving the band. Dennis is the voice of Styx and everyone else in the band were really just hired hands for the betterment of Dennis' work.

2. Bands that have members leave should also retire because they do not live up to the "standards" of the front men that made them popular but aren't with them today or other key members are not with them today.

-Van Halen (Sammy replaced Dave)
-Journey (Austeri replaced Perry)
-The Kinks (Dave replaced Ray)
-The Who (Pete is a supporting member because Roger is the front man)
-CCR (Revisited) - John is solo
-The Beach Boys
-REO
-Plant and Page should stop playing Zep tune
-Phil Collins should stop playing Genesis tunes
and the list goes on and on

[piecesofeight]

Well............, the one's who came into Van Halen and Journey can at least sing Sammy Hagar kicks DLR ass as far as vocals. Van Halen had the most success with a new lead singer.


Many do consider that Dennis was the lead singer for Styx. More times than not he will be called the former 'LEAD SINGER' of Styx.


Beach Boys ARE NOT the Beach Boys without Brian Wilson. That's a joke as much as this is still 'Styx.'


Let's also not forget that with cases such as Sammy Hagar and Steve A. that they were more welcomed because the former lead singer LEFT. If Dennis still had his way, he would be in Styx.
I think that so much of the anger that comes up is from why Dennis is not there anymore and they didn't find a good replacement.

Journey and Van Halen are still so much the same because of how good Steve A. is and VH had so many hits with Sammy.

It boils down to first how things went down, who they hired to replace Dennis. It's just not Styx. The music isn't much the same. That's great for those who think they are better, but they don't look or sound like Styx just because a piece of paper says they are.

Just a note. What is going on with VH right now is due to EVH drinking problems.

Just to put this in Rock N Roll Perspective let me know if these 2 points are correct:

1. Tommy and JY Never sang any leading vocals on any Styx album prior to Dennis leaving the band. Dennis is the voice of Styx and everyone else in the band were really just hired hands for the betterment of Dennis' work.

2. Bands that have members leave should also retire because they do not live up to the "standards" of the front men that made them popular but aren't with them today or other key members are not with them today.

-Van Halen (Sammy replaced Dave)
-Journey (Austeri replaced Perry)
-The Kinks (Dave replaced Ray)
-The Who (Pete is a supporting member because Roger is the front man)
-CCR (Revisited) - John is solo
-The Beach Boys
-REO
-Plant and Page should stop playing Zep tune
-Phil Collins should stop playing Genesis tunes
and the list goes on and on

[Panjandrum]

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[styxfanNH]

So, if they had a different singer other than Gowan that in your opinion could sing, it would be ok.

The issues between them are more than the fact that JY and Tommy toured without Dennis. There were major problems at the very beginings of the recording of BNW. The lawsuit was the last straw - and that was done by Dennis. To say that Dennis is the victim of two bullies who stole HIS band is not recognizing what we know of the truth. Lord Acton's epic warning was correct that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" that seems to be the problem with the relationship of the band members.

I hope someday they can put their differences aside, but in the heat of battle things get said or are done and it takes time to get over them.

[froy]

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quote="styxfanNH"]Just to put this in Rock N Roll Perspective let me know if these 2 points are correct:

1. Tommy and JY Never sang any leading vocals on any Styx album prior to Dennis leaving the band. Dennis is the voice of Styx and everyone else in the band were really just hired hands for the betterment of Dennis' work.

Not true at all Jy had his Miss America so he was a one hit wonder.
Shaw had many great hits he and Dennis had great harmonies
Not taking anything away from Shaw he had great music within Styx
My point was it was Lady Madame Blue Lorelie Grand Illuision Come Sail Away Babe Why Me Borrowed Time Best of Times Rockin The Paradice Mr Roboto Don't Let It End and Show Me The Way that got Styx radio play , He had more songs than any of the other 2 you can't argue with that. To say they were sidemen is not true they were a part of Styx
Now without Dennis they are a part of nothing its not Styx just the paper say's it is .

2. Bands that have members leave should also retire because they do not live up to the "standards" of the front men that made them popular but aren't with them today or other key members are not with them today.

Steve Perry left JRNY I support Steve Augeri because of Perry leaving.
Dennis DeYoung did not leave he was pushed aside.
Thats the differnce

[froy]

So, if they had a different singer other than Gowan that in your opinion could sing, it would be ok.

First off if they have any singer but Dennis than its not a Styx concert you are seeing , Second if its Gowan - your seeing the worst singer in the buisness, That again is not Styx .

The issues between them are more than the fact that JY and Tommy toured without Dennis.

Your right JY hatched his plan to get Dennis out after the last leg of the 2nd tour , They needed money and Dennis needed rest.
Also Dennis got a huge payday from the VW commercial JY and Shaw got nothing from it , They demanded a split in the profits Dennis said no and Shaw and JY said your gone , That simple. Strike 1
Go figure the thing they make fun of most Mr Roboto and they want a piece of the money pie thats a hypacrite folks.

were major problems at the very beginings of the recording of BNW.

Sure Dennis wanted to produce it and get paid for it Shaw and Goof said no way we will get our buddy and his apple computer to produce it sorry Dennis and you now how bad of a decision that was Strike 2

The lawsuit was the last straw - and that was done by Dennis. To say that Dennis is the victim of two bullies who stole HIS band is not recognizing what we know of the truth.

The lawsuit was Dennis last effort to get back into the band and Strike 3
If Shaw and JY didn't go anti Dennis and gave him some time to get it together they would still be in buisness. Now we have 2 guys who don' t know how to eat crow.

I hope someday they can put their differences aside, but in the heat of battle things get said or are done and it takes time to get over them.

I agree totally

[froy]

Froy your Pathetic. Styx is doing great! Get over it!!

Your not even a Styx fan why do I waste my time with your garbage

[ChicagoSTYX]

I'm a STYX fan but not much of a Dennis fan. I did buy the new live Dennis CD and didn't like it much. That orchestra thing gets old fast. When you go to a Styx concert 80% of the songs being played are being sung by the original lead singer. At a Journey concert that drops to 0% unless you count the one new song they play. Don't get me wrong, I still like Journey. I thought Arrival was a good CD and I am looking forward to the next one.

STYX has a NEW hit "I Am The Walrus"

[kansas666]

I am bitter that JY and Shaw have all but made the Styx name laughable.

So Dennis doing a parady of himself in a STYX tribute band isn't laughable?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

StyxfanNH says:

So, if they had a different singer other than Gowan that in your opinion could sing, it would be ok.

To me, it still wouldn't be okay. The reason would still be the same, it's the way Dennis was "kicked" out of the band that he co-founded. If he left on his own, that would be a different story, to me. I don't follow other bands like I do with Styx so I don't know all the reasons why other members left or were kicked out.

The lead singer (Bobby) for the band "Light Up" was called by Glen to try out for Styx back then. If he was the lead singer, that would of been a Dennis clone (MY opinion).

As for Journey, I really enjoyed seeing them play this past summer. Steve A. was awesome, Deen C. was awesome singing too. Great show. It didn't bother me that Steve P. wasn't there.

EK88, no offense to the cornfield remark. I saw the new Styx in 1999 for the first time at a county fair. The fairgrounds were new and it just opened that summer. They put the stage on top of an old cornfield with it's stalks still there (LOL). I couldn't believe that I was watching Styx, a band that used to play huge arenas, was playing in a cornfield. To top that off, Dennis was no longer in the band and that was the beginning for me to take the sides.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Froy says:

Your right JY hatched his plan to get Dennis out after the last leg of the 2nd tour , They needed money and Dennis needed rest.
Also Dennis got a huge payday from the VW commercial JY and Shaw got nothing from it , They demanded a split in the profits Dennis said no and Shaw and JY said your gone , That simple. Strike 1
Go figure the thing they make fun of most Mr Roboto and they want a piece of the money pie thats a hypacrite folks.

Froy I know you're very bitter, obviously. I hope someone on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but regarding the VW "Mr. Roboto" commerical, I thought Dennis and JY were the ones that re-recorded that song together for the commercial.

Here's a quote from one of JY's interviews about it:

In another TV appearance, a re-recorded bridge of "Mr. Roboto" was used to demonstrate the sound system for a Volkswagen Golf. "We re_recorded the track for the Volkswagen commercial," said JY. "We have to okay these things, so they can't do it without the writers' permission. The record company owned the original master, and they ultimately wanted more money than the people were willing to pay, but Dennis decided, being the writer of Roboto, asked me about what I thought about re_recording it, and I said why not, let's give it a shot. So we did. And the sale of our Greatest Hits albums doubled the week after that thing first hit."

I'm pretty sure JY received some extra moola (money) for re-recording it, of course not much as Dennis, I would think, but some money.

[styxfanNH]

Suite,

I am going more on my memory than anything else, but at least here in the northeast, back in the day the fairs as rock venues were not like they are today. They were just really starting to develop as concert venues. The same can be said about amphitheaters. In the early eighties, most shows were still in arenas. So the arguement of back in the day Styx would have never played fairs from my experiences back then is an unfair comparison. Again, this is from a new england perspective and it may be different in the heartland of the country.

And you are right about the rerecording of Roboto. JY and Dennis rerecorded it for that commercial. There are 2 reasons for this, by re-recording it, it gave them the ability for it to be considered a "cover" because it was not from the original masters. The other is that it controlled who got paid for the royalty rights to the song as both Tommy and Chuck received no residuals from it. (I think Tommy and Chuck took personal offense to it as they had some stake in the original taping)

[froy]

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quote="SuiteMadameBlue"]Froy says:

Your right JY hatched his plan to get Dennis out after the last leg of the 2nd tour , They needed money and Dennis needed rest.
Also Dennis got a huge payday from the VW commercial JY and Shaw got nothing from it , They demanded a split in the profits Dennis said no and Shaw and JY said your gone , That simple. Strike 1
Go figure the thing they make fun of most Mr Roboto and they want a piece of the money pie thats a hypacrite folks.

Froy I know you're very bitter, obviously. I hope someone on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but regarding the VW "Mr. Roboto" commerical, I thought Dennis and JY were the ones that re-recorded that song together for the commercial.

Only the person who owns the rights to the song gets royalties from any resale, Thats why JY is so bitter he got nothing . Dennis got 500 K

[Monker]

The bottom line here is that Froy is the ONLY person in Styxdom to EVER say that everybody is mad at Dennis about Mr. Roboto. You would think 'somebody' would have mentioned it over the past FIVE YEARS...especialy that devlish JY.

Please quote another source...because FROY is the only person who has EVER mentioned it.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Um, Froy, I don't want to start a fight, but I'm pretty sure JY was paid something for the re-recording of "Mr. Roboto". I don't have any facts or figures to back this up in writing. I'm sure there are other matters that ticked JY off at Dennis that we may or may never know. He's one bitter guy that will not get over it.

It's been over 5 years now that Dennis was "kicked" out band. JY has said over and over that he will not let Dennis back in the band. Yes, I've read that Dennis would go back in the band. Tommy hasn't really said anything and I think he'd go either way. Yada, yada, yada.

[styxfanNH]

I read in one of Tommy's last major interviews about a year and a half ago that Tommy left the door open for some day. But he did qualify it by saying that it would take some time because of the feelings of the band based on the lawsuit and the ill will it caused.

[ChicagoSTYX]

It's all water down the river Styx!
Styx has a new hit record and I am happy for them!

[froy]

It's all water down the river Styx!
Styx has a new hit record and I am happy for them!

Who cares

[froy]

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quote="Monker"]The bottom line here is that Froy is the ONLY person in Styxdom to EVER say that everybody is mad at Dennis about Mr. Roboto. You would think 'somebody' would have mentioned it over the past FIVE YEARS...especialy that devlish JY.

I like the Froy is the only one senerio really weak Monker
I heard this info from one of Dennis's realitives If you don't believe it fine then your an idiot.Do you think JY is going to come out and say we dumped Dennis for money reasons that would be a stupid thing on his part, Rememeber there's 3 sides to every story Yours Mine and the Truth,.

500 thousand split 3 ways is 165 thousand each
If you can't see them dumping Dennis for 165 thousand then your head is in the sand , And Suite no fight here I was told only Dennis was paid and he would not split the cash. thats all I know.

1 more thing JY was quoted as saying that he felt that seeing that is was a band effort they should split all monies made 3 ways
This was his way of telling you my story was true
It was in one of his famous articles.

[Liz22562]

And still no quote....hmmmmmm

[styxfanNH]

All things aside,

If Dennis was paid $500,000 and he refused to split any of the money with any of them, I wouldn't blame JY at all for being mad. After all, He did participate in the recording of the VW track. If the sole reason was to leave out the others from payment of any type, then shame on Dennis.

We know there is more to the larger issue but I think we could at least agree that if the above scenario is true, that was unfair.

[froy]

All things aside,

If Dennis was paid $500,000 and he refused to split any of the money with any of them, I wouldn't blame JY at all for being mad.

Really pay JY 165 thousand dollars to to back up harmonies
Heck Dawn Marie is a better singer and would have done it for free.
I wonder if Dennis got any money from the lawsuit JY was slapping on Tom Cruise for the Show Me The Money line.
Dennis owns the rights to MY Roboto and he deseves royalties not JY
or Shaw,



After all, He did participate in the recording of the VW track.

Big deal he did not write the song.

We know there is more to the larger issue but I think we could at least agree that if the above scenario is true, that was unfair.

Not unfair at all
If JY co wrote the song that would be different back up singers get a standard fee not a split in the cut,

[piecesofeight]

Seriously, I am glad that some here can enjoy the group that calls themselves 'Styx.' I personally wouldn't even like the new music even if I new nothing of the group and they were named something else. That's also great that some can put the politics aside and just enjoy the music, but for some it also comes down to why someone is not in the group anymore and how does their replacement compare.
I miss Brian Wilson not being in the Beach Boys, but it was his choice, just as it was David Lee Roth's and Steve Perry. I actually enjoyed Van Halen with Sammy better, but also enjoy DLR solo show. Journey, they are fine either way because my heart wasn't into them as much as Styx, Steve left and the new Steve is doing a good job.
Even when Tommy first LEFT Styx, it was hard for me. I didn't know if I was going to continue to follow them.
I will follow anything that Dennis and Tommy do together though...

[piecesofeight]

It is rather funny that JY thinks everything should be split equeal. He wouldn't feel that way if he was more talented and wasn't hurting for cash.

[styxfanNH]

This was Tommy's comment about DDY.

Would you say to Dennis DeYoung now, ‘no hard feelings’ or just ‘no feelings?’

Tommy: (pauses) I guess no hard feelings. When somebody puts you through a Federal lawsuit it is hard for the wounds to completely heal over but to tell you the truth it hardly ever comes up. I am sure over time it will get easier and easier to completely forget about it. You don’t want to ever go through that again. Whenever that happens between you and somebody else you can forgive and forget but you can’t completely forget because you don’t want it to ever happen again.

[froy]

This was Tommy's comment about DDY.

Would you say to Dennis DeYoung now, ‘no hard feelings’ or just ‘no feelings?’

Tommy: (pauses) I guess no hard feelings. When somebody puts you through a Federal lawsuit it is hard for the wounds to completely heal over but to tell you the truth it hardly ever comes up. I am sure over time it will get easier and easier to completely forget about it. You don’t want to ever go through that again. Whenever that happens between you and somebody else you can forgive and forget but you can’t completely forget because you don’t want it to ever happen again.

Shaw is at least logical about the situation
I give him that much credit.
I would have no problem seeing Dennis and Tommy working together
JY can go talk to himself.

[ChicagoSTYX]

Froy, I think it’s time for you to double up on the medication and stop eating the greasy fried chicken. If we hear one more bit of good news about IATW it may completely push you over the edge.

This Just In……. I Am The Walrus gets 47 new adds this week!!

Oops, careful Froy, it’s a long way down from where you have been dreaming! Wake up and join the Styx revolution!

“You can’t stop the music you bastard!”

[Monker]

It is rather funny that JY thinks everything should be split equeal. He wouldn't feel that way if he was more talented and wasn't hurting for cash.

What is truly funny is that you believe you know what JY thinks and feels by a hearsay comment by Froy.

Again, please provide ANY evidence that tells how JY feels about the Roboto thing...When he talks about it all he says is that it HELPED the band. I doubt he has ever critiqued it.

Please provide ANY evidence that JY is 'hurting for cash' TODAY. After all of the touring over the years, THIS is a laughable comment. Assuming such things is not very wise.

I don't think you can answer the above...just as Froy couldn't. I think you are just allowing yourself to believe such things to justify your own feelings towards JY.

[ChicagoSTYX]

Froy said....."They are not going to spend money on a video"


This Just In.....I am the walrus video will be available on iTunes on December 7th along with the song.

Froy is the egg man or should I say egg face man!

"You can't stop the music you bastards"

[froy]

It is rather funny that JY thinks everything should be split equeal. He wouldn't feel that way if he was more talented and wasn't hurting for cash.

What is truly funny is that you believe you know what JY thinks and feels by a hearsay comment by Froy.

Look up his famous articles he said something to the effect of this is a team effort and when you all do things together the monies made from it should be split equal, Its not hearsay he said it your famous for googling find it big mouth...

Please provide ANY evidence that JY is 'hurting for cash' TODAY.

Not hurting as much today as he was 500 shows ago .
But Im sure Dennis has more money than both of them which is a driving force Im sure,