I can't make this up

[classicstyxfan]

SFNH, I love that avatar !!!!! How awsome, and how app-ro-po !

[SuiteMadameBlue]

styxfanNH says:

If and I mean If Suite knew about the name of the venue and chose not to post it, so what.

To be honest, I really didn't know the name of this festival. I didn't click on the Arkansas information on Dennis' site since I knew I wouldn't be going. When I post concert information I just copy and paste if off his site unless I see it in an article or get it else where. Every time I read about this festival I have to giggle

As for the corn festival that was funny too. It was just kind of sad that no matter which band was playing, in the article the organization was so happy about it's corn. All the zoo comments were really funny too, both sides. I talked to Mike Reno & Paul Dean from Loverboy after the show at the Zoo and I asked them if this was the first time they played in a zoo. They were laughing and didn't know what to expect, this was their first zoo performance and had a great time. I think they even road the zoo train before the show - LOL

Monker says:

And, I did not imply or state that Suite and Froy are in some weird union. If they wish to exchange vows of partnership, it's irrelevant to me and I wasn't even considering the thought.

Thank goodness I don't let my husband read the posts on this board. LOL I met Froy in person and I think he's really a nice guy!! I'm sorry to disappoint, but we don't have any type of vows of partnership, not that I'm aware of - LOL

Monker says:

Why do you worry about why I am here? I was here first ya know, nya, nya.

LOL, I tend to worry about everyone I know you were here before me, that was cute, I'm glad to see that you "lightened up" a little bit tonight

[Zan]

Now that was comical. We both know there were some really nasty things said back in 1999 and 2000. And yes, Monker's words, on this board, were not necessary and a form of blasting.

The way I remember it, nobody who supported the new line up of Styx said anything nasty about Dennis until Dennis (and his fans) starting saying (and doing) nasty things about and to them. I know, even if you didn't start it, you're just as guilty. I guess. LOL

I don't necessarily view it as hypocritical per se, but only because of the name recognition issue. I do however, think that if you/they/anyone can get a gig they want to play, by all means, I think they should go for it. Life is just too short not to.

I agree with the last bit. Although, I distinctly remember some DeYoungians back in the day saying, and I quote, "Dennis could fill Madison Square Garden by himself."

Oh and I'm a fan of Fogelberg too. Seriously hope he is soing well with his illness.

Ditto.

[Monker]

JUST when you think that the worst of all posts come from Froy, along comes Monker to make us all see that, indeed, there is MUCH worse out there.

I find it nearly impossible to believe that someone with no sense of humor at all can actually exist, but darned if you don't prove me wrong every time, Monker.

Much worse the froy? Froy's harmless. So, I guess that makes me Mostly Harmless. I can deal with that. I used it for my nick years ago.

[Zan]

LOL...I guess if that's blasting, then it's no wonder you feel there was serious bashing going on on both sides back in the day. Or you must have been reading different boards that I was. lol

Zan, I've been on all the "other" boards for a few years now as a lurker. You probably figured out who I am on the StyxBoard - LOL[/quote]


Oh, I know you! You always post the informative stuff! I just thought maybe there were some other boards you frequented that I did not, as I have no memory of Styx 5.0 fans initiating any flame wars about Dennis (or very few- there were a couple of anonymous troll-likes that popped up every now & then).

No, it's not you Zan. There are 2 people on here that I don't really care for their posts. One of them I know personally and came on as a different name and posts to bash me once in a blue moon.

I was trying to be a little funny with the "threat" and having a field day with the different venues.

Oh, I caught the humor. I just didn't "get it." LOL Glad it wasn't me, by the way.

[Monker]

And just where did I say in my post you bashed Dennis? I said you bashed Suite. Hardly the same thing.

You said, "Now that was comical. We both know there were some really nasty things said back in 1999 and 2000. And yes, Monker's words, on this board, were not necessary and a form of blasting. " Which I took to mean what I said here in the PAST was bashing...But, it looks like you changed thoughts in the middle of a paragraph and I misunderstood.

No you said that if it were an articcle about Styx she wouldn't have hesitated and Froy would have jumped on it. Guess what, Froy jumps on nearly everything. And Suite has posted several nice things about the band as well.

YOU JUST AGREED WITH ME and you don't even want to see it. I know froy jumps on everything. I've dealt with him for over ten years. I know Suite sometimes posts 'good' things from Styx.

But, the bottom line is she said "I knew it ws just a matter of time before this was posted here..." meaning that she KNEW about it and did NOT post it herself. If it had been about Styx I have no doubt that she would have posted...and just as YOU said, froy would have jumped all over it Then somebody would have argued back, then somebody would have said something else. Whatever.

What I am trying to point out is that it is hypocritical to try nip the sarcasm aimed at Dennis when those same people have NO PROBLEM aiming that sarcasm at Styx.

For you to sugges that she withheld this simply because it of some double standard, well that's conjecture, like I said before.

I did NOT suggest a motive. But, since you are suggesting one for me, I'll say what *I* think. I would think there was a bit of an embaresment factor going on because of supporting Dennis, and the fact that she has gone on about this 'corn festival' thing for what seems like years. So, I think there are some hefty reasons for her to NOT post it, and not very many for why she should...and besides, she knew somebody else would post it eventauly.

[sadie65]

You said, "Now that was comical. We both know there were some really nasty things said back in 1999 and 2000. And yes, Monker's words, on this board, were not necessary and a form of blasting. " Which I took to mean what I said here in the PAST was bashing...But, it looks like you changed thoughts in the middle of a paragraph and I misunderstood.

Just to be clear, I didn't change thoughts. I said all along I thought you were bashing Suite, not Dennis. However, if that's what you thought, then that's what you thought.

YOU JUST AGREED WITH ME and you don't even want to see it. I know froy jumps on everything. I've dealt with him for over ten years. I know Suite sometimes posts 'good' things from Styx.

No I didn't JUST AGREE with you. My vision is just fine.

But, the bottom line is she said "I knew it ws just a matter of time before this was posted here..." meaning that she KNEW about it and did NOT post it herself. If it had been about Styx I have no doubt that she would have posted...and just as YOU said, froy would have jumped all over it Then somebody would have argued back, then somebody would have said something else. Whatever.

Wonder why you have no doubt. I do. There have been several articles over the past years that were not necessarily flattering to the band, and I know she didn't post them on the boards. Her reasons for posting/not posting something are hers.

What I am trying to point out is that it is hypocritical to try nip the sarcasm aimed at Dennis when those same people have NO PROBLEM aiming that sarcasm at Styx.

I can see your point. And as I said in one of my earlier posts, she should have worded it better.

I did NOT suggest a motive. But, since you are suggesting one for me, I'll say what *I* think. I would think there was a bit of an embaresment factor going on because of supporting Dennis, and the fact that she has gone on about this 'corn festival' thing for what seems like years. So, I think there are some hefty reasons for her to NOT post it, and not very many for why she should...and besides, she knew somebody else would post it eventauly.

I think it's fair to say that "going on" about something would apply at some point to everyone here. There are all aspects of this band that people hold on to, good and bad. I don't know if she was or was not embarrassed. I can see how you would read it that way, and I can also see how it might not be that way.

All that being said, I sill find it a really comical name and hope to heck that Dennis gets some new material from it to crack wise.

[sadie65]

The way I remember it, nobody who supported the new line up of Styx said anything nasty about Dennis until Dennis (and his fans) starting saying (and doing) nasty things about and to them. I know, even if you didn't start it, you're just as guilty. I guess. LOL

I remember instances of things being said by supporters of the lineup that were negative where no prior volley had occured as well. I think it was a very incendiary time, people allowed their emotions to run, and bad things were said and done by all involved. And look how far we've come. LOL

I agree with the last bit. Although, I distinctly remember some DeYoungians back in the day saying, and I quote, "Dennis could fill Madison Square Garden by himself."

Yes, and again, emotions ran over sense.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker says:

But, the bottom line is she said "I knew it ws just a matter of time before this was posted here..." meaning that she KNEW about it and did NOT post it herself.

I didn't know about this name of the venue, I should have written that I knew it was a matter of time that there would be this type of venue (the name) that Dennis would be playing at. I did/do know about other venues that he may/may not be playing at this summer. Not just with Dennis, but other bands too that I like, my heart sinks when I hear the names of some of the festivals. There are a few funny ones, but this tops them all. I still didn't see it on his website with the name of this venue.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Zan says:

Oh, I know you! You always post the informative stuff! I just thought maybe there were some other boards you frequented that I did not, as I have no memory of Styx 5.0 fans initiating any flame wars about Dennis (or very few- there were a couple of anonymous troll-likes that popped up every now & then).

LOL, yes just the informative stuff, that's me. There are a lot of times that I want to post on the other topics but have backed off due to my shyness

I'm on all the Dennis and every Styx board that I can find out there. I mostly lurk

It's mostly the trolls that like to start the Styx vs. Dennis vs. Tommy vs. JY vs. Glen wars.

Sadie says:

Wonder why you have no doubt. I do. There have been several articles over the past years that were not necessarily flattering to the band, and I know she didn't post them on the boards. Her reasons for posting/not posting something are hers.

Actually there are pretty many articles & blurbs about Styx and Dennis that are good and also not flattering at all. Just recently with the movie "Robots" Dennis' name has been mentioned with the "Mr. Roboto" song, all good.

[ChicagoSTYX]

Nothing from Froy on this subject? He must be enjoying a plate of crow or maybe frog legs. Froy if you’re looking for a fork there’s one in DDY.

[Adam]

sadie: double standards run rampant in each direction. I've seen plenty of jokes made at Dennis' expense, just as I have at the current lineup. I agree we have bashed the band for its choice of venues, just as I recall recoiling at the name of this venue for Dennis. It happens. It happens over Dennis' hair, JY's comments, Dennis Broadway leanings, the underwear on the guitars., so please, spare me that we are the hypocrites here. Seems to me, everyone ought to look in a mirror.

ADAM: Perhaps we're all TIME KILLING IDIOTS here, but I'm not convinced both 'sides' are being equally hypocritical...

When JY starts wearing an obvious wig, I'll jump in right alongside the 'DeYoungians', however, it still seems blatantly obvious that moves made by Styx which were deemed UNACCEPTABLE, UNPROFESIONAL, UNDIGNIFIED and SOMETHING DENNIS WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED THE BAND STOOP TO are now suddenly acceptable. Cute even. For DeYoung.

Dennis long ago released an album of covers and now plays casinos and hogfests. And you know what? I don't believe THERE'S EVER BEEN ANYTHING WRONG WITH DOING SO! But boy, did the DeYoungians once.

(And again, I maintain it's the elitist nature of the DDY camp - which I suggest comes from trickle down - that invites this current finger pointing & shouts of "LOOK AT YOU NOW!" from the Styx supporters)

[sadie65]

ADAM: Perhaps we're all TIME KILLING IDIOTS here, but I'm not convinced both 'sides' are being equally hypocritical...

When JY starts wearing an obvious wig, I'll jump in right alongside the 'DeYoungians', however, it still seems blatantly obvious that moves made by Styx which were deemed UNACCEPTABLE, UNPROFESIONAL, UNDIGNIFIED and SOMETHING DENNIS WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED THE BAND STOOP TO are now suddenly acceptable. Cute even. For DeYoung.

Okay, now I think we're losing perspective here. One more time I'll say it. With Dennis in the band, as Styx, it's doubtful they would play these venues. It's also doubtful they would have toured again. As a solo artist rebuilding his career, Dennis is playing the same venues as Styx. Nothing hypocritical in what was said. They are two seperate animals. Why is that so hard to grasp? However, I can see where, if you don't look at those points, you would find the comments hypocritical. I honestly can.

Dennis long ago released an album of covers and now plays casinos and hogfests. And you know what? I don't believe THERE'S EVER BEEN ANYTHING WRONG WITH DOING SO! But boy, did the DeYoungians once.

The DeYoungians, as well as the bathwater Drinkers have all made comments and assumptions that were out of line, way out of line. The key word in your phrase is once. On this board, I've seen tremendous strides made by just about everyone to be a lot more tolerant and accepting. I believe I have said on numerous occasions, by rehashing the past, it never resolves it, changes peoples' opinions, and basically just frustrates those involved.

(And again, I maintain it's the elitist nature of the DDY camp - which I suggest comes from trickle down - that invites this current finger pointing & shouts of "LOOK AT YOU NOW!" from the Styx supporters)

And I find that remark ridiculous. There are several so called DeYoungians on this board who do not fall anywhere near what an elitist is. You continue to spout that word, and voice your opinion about how "we"call him a hero, or at least you have on other posts. Trust me, "we" have all acknowledged that he isn't our hero, and lord knows I've said often enough the man screwed up. Funny how you don't acknowledge that.

So I stand by my statement. Hypocrasy abounds on all sides. As it would whenever you let your emotions get involved. We all do it in our everyday lives as well. We tolerate certain things from those we like, because we like them. But if we don't like the person, we're much more inclined to be less tolerant and even challenge them on it.

Peace

[Zan]

With Dennis in the band, as Styx, it's doubtful they would play these venues. It's also doubtful they would have toured again.

THANK YOU. Also, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING that people *did* say that Dennis, with or without Styx, would have never stooped to the level of playing the types of shows Styx was playing and could have filled places like Madison Square Garden on his own - seeming to forget how Styx's popularity as a whole had dwindled substantially after 1983 and it's easier to fill large venues when you're playing 20-25 shows a year. I understand emotions were high, etc., but some of us are curious what those highly emotional folks think now.

[bugsymalone]

StyxfanNH!! Look what you and your froggy post hath wrought! LOL!

Page 3 and going strong!!! (EDIT: Now FOUR!)

Carry on everyone. I am staying out of this one....well, mostly.



I will add that I am one who had very strong emotions when Styx left Dennis, but I have come to accept what is and will be. I don't have to like the current lineup, but they are doing their thing and having fun and a lot of people think they are the greatest lineup ever.

I have my opinions, however, and will voice them from time to time.

I reseve the right to call JY a jerk when he spouts off like one in public.

I reseve the right to think this is a band so different from its history, it should carry another name. Again. Only my opinion and they sure are not listening to ME!

I also acknowledge that Dennis is NO angel in any of these matters, but I love his voice and music, so I will put up with that, buy his CD's/DVD's and go to his concerts if I can get there. (Arkansas street-fests or glittering historic theaters, I'll take whatever)


Bugsy

[SuiteMadameBlue]

ADAM Says:

Perhaps we're all TIME KILLING IDIOTS here, but I'm not convinced both 'sides' are being equally hypocritical...

When JY starts wearing an obvious wig, I'll jump in right alongside the 'DeYoungians', however, it still seems blatantly obvious that moves made by Styx which were deemed UNACCEPTABLE, UNPROFESIONAL, UNDIGNIFIED and SOMETHING DENNIS WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED THE BAND STOOP TO are now suddenly acceptable. Cute even. For DeYoung.

Sadie Says:

Okay, now I think we're losing perspective here. One more time I'll say it. With Dennis in the band, as Styx, it's doubtful they would play these venues. It's also doubtful they would have toured again. As a solo artist rebuilding his career, Dennis is playing the same venues as Styx. Nothing hypocritical in what was said. They are two seperate animals. Why is that so hard to grasp? However, I can see where, if you don't look at those points, you would find the comments hypocritical. I honestly can.

Adam, why does Sadie have to repeat herself post after post????? I agree with her and here read it again in BOLD for you:

With Dennis in the band, as Styx, it's doubtful they would play these venues. It's also doubtful they would have toured again. As a solo artist rebuilding his career, Dennis is playing the same venues as Styx. Nothing hypocritical in what was said. They are two seperate animals. Why is that so hard to grasp? However, I can see where, if you don't look at those points, you would find the comments hypocritical. I honestly can.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Here again:

Adam says:

Dennis long ago released an album of covers and now plays casinos and hogfests. And you know what? I don't believe THERE'S EVER BEEN ANYTHING WRONG WITH DOING SO! But boy, did the DeYoungians once.

Sadie Says:

The DeYoungians, as well as the bathwater Drinkers have all made comments and assumptions that were out of line, way out of line. The key word in your phrase is once. On this board, I've seen tremendous strides made by just about everyone to be a lot more tolerant and accepting. I believe I have said on numerous occasions, by rehashing the past, it never resolves it, changes peoples' opinions, and basically just frustrates those involved.

Yes I agree, every side have made a lot of comments & assumptions that were out of line, and I agree some were WAY out of line.

The business of Styx has moved on, Dennis has moved on.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Sadie says:

And I find that remark ridiculous. There are several so called DeYoungians on this board who do not fall anywhere near what an elitist is. You continue to spout that word, and voice your opinion about how "we"call him a hero, or at least you have on other posts. Trust me, "we" have all acknowledged that he isn't our hero, and lord knows I've said often enough the man screwed up. Funny how you don't acknowledge that.

Once again I agree with Sadie and your remark Adam, very ridiculous!!

I personally don't call Dennis my "hero". He's my all-time favorite singer and I think he's a really nice, funny guy. My parents are the only "heroes in my life".

All the members of Styx past and present screwed up enough over the years, publically and personally, they're only human, just like us.

By the way Adam, do you any Styx news articles, interviews, concert reviews or anything to share with us?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Oh and one more thing Adam, how long have you been a Styx fan? How many times have you seen them in concert?

Oh, and to add, I'm not a "Time Killing Idiot"!! I'm just a Time Killing Mom With Kids At School That Would Rather Spend On The Computer Than Do Housework During The Cold Winter Months ACK - LOL

[sadie65]

With Dennis in the band, as Styx, it's doubtful they would play these venues. It's also doubtful they would have toured again.

THANK YOU. Also, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING that people *did* say that Dennis, with or without Styx, would have never stooped to the level of playing the types of shows Styx was playing and could have filled places like Madison Square Garden on his own - seeming to forget how Styx's popularity as a whole had dwindled substantially after 1983 and it's easier to fill large venues when you're playing 20-25 shows a year. I understand emotions were high, etc., but some of us are curious what those highly emotional folks think now.

I cannot dispute what I read. What would be the point? As for where the people are, some still post, others are licking wounds privately I'm sure, and some have mellowed with age. I've seen drop off on both sides of those who the most volatile with their posts.

[classicstyxfan]

Are the " DeYoungians" some kind of cult ????? kinda sounds like a good name for a cult to me.

Would I recognize a group of them if I were in an airport

I don't think we should let any "DeYoungians" have any Kool-aid at their gatherings, that seems like a really bad idea

[Zan]

Are the " DeYoungians" some kind of cult ????? kinda sounds like a good name for a cult to me.

Would I recognize a group of them if I were in an airport

I don't think we should let any "DeYoungians" have any Kool-aid at their gatherings, that seems like a really bad idea

They'd be the ones wearing toupees and singing to the baggage checkers.

"I'm making my waaaaaay back to Chicagoooo..."

Kool-Aid, yes. Bleach flavored Coke, no.

[Adam]

A good portion of what I post is knee jerk reaction to Froy.

Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. I just can't help but think Froy only getting busted by a few of us Pro-Styx 5.2 types and NOT by the Pro-Dennis caucus suggests being part of the problem, or worse.

Now, I admit, things HAVE become better, slightly more tolerant with some. But as long as there's a Froy insurgency, the new kinder, gentler regime will appear a failure.

To be fair, my practice of busting Froy whenever inspired is feeding the fire - hence I guess this makes me part of the problem, which some of you cooler heads will point out from time to time. But as long as there's a guy posting on a Styx board how awful Styx is, why SHOULDN'T there be a personality or two like me to counter them?

(I know I know. Because it's a futile exercise)

As far as the excuse that the entire 'class of venue' issue is apples & oranges because Dennis is sort of embarking on a 'new' solo career versus Styx being an established brand name, I get the point, but I still don't give a flying you know what. Blaming an act for THE VENUE THEY PLAY seems to me like blaming VanGough for dying a pauper - WHAT THE HELL DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR ART?

Maybe I'm older than you guys. Maybe by the time you started going to rock concerts they were nice neat little exercises in capitalism. But Jimi Hendrix played $hitholes and the Beatles didn't have decent sound systems and it rained cats and dogs on Woodstock. SO WHAT? It's the music and the performance that matter - the LIVING BREATHING MOMENT, not some status oriented measurement of upper class values.

I say it's FINE for ANY Goddam artist to play wherever the hell there's an audience who wants to hear them and that's that. I refuse to judge an act by the bathrooms of the venue - it's not their responsibility!

If you ask me there is absolutely nothing inherently cool about a "shed". Call me anti-elitism, I just have always been irked by that perspective.

I hope Dennis kicks the audience's ass. Nothing wrong with it, even though Froy (and possibly Dennis) may be privately hanging their heads in some silly "shame" over it.

I think that's the most I've ever typed! (There must be alot of spelling errors...here's your chance, Froy!)

[sadie65]

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quote="Adam"]A good portion of what I post is knee jerk reaction to Froy.

Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. I just can't help but think Froy only getting busted by a few of us Pro-Styx 5.2 types and NOT by the Pro-Dennis caucus suggests being part of the problem, or worse.

Now, I admit, things HAVE become better, slightly more tolerant with some. But as long as there's a Froy insurgency, the new kinder, gentler regime will appear a failure.

You are joking right? The actions of one individual condemn the whole lot? Nice world you live in. I do believe several here have challenged him, called it as we see it, and still it doesn't change. That we recognize the futility of this does not by any stretch mean we condone it. Surely you can recognize that you are lumping people together because they don't react the same way you do.

To be fair, my practice of busting Froy whenever inspired is feeding the fire - hence I guess this makes me part of the problem, which some of you cooler heads will point out from time to time. But as long as there's a guy posting on a Styx board how awful Styx is, why SHOULDN'T there be a personality or two like me to counter them?

(I know I know. Because it's a futile exercise)

I never suggested you shouldn't exist. I merely wonder why you aren't tired of the keyboard marks on your forehead yet.

As far as the excuse that the entire 'class of venue' issue is apples & oranges because Dennis is sort of embarking on a 'new' solo career versus Styx being an established brand name, I get the point, but I still don't give a flying you know what. Blaming an act for THE VENUE THEY PLAY seems to me like blaming VanGough for dying a pauper - WHAT THE HELL DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR ART?

Okay, that's your choice. I'd like to tell you you are right, but I cannot. Like it or not, society in GENERAL judges everything. You get judged on where you live, who you associate with, what you do for a living, and on and on and on. I have said before, I think any artist who can amke a living performing is great. However, I do not accept that they hold no responsibility for where they chose to perform. Van Gogh died a pauper because in his lifetime, he only sold one painting. Why, because he was not deemed popular in his era. And in the final analysis, it's a popularity contest.

Maybe I'm older than you guys. Maybe by the time you started going to rock concerts they were nice neat little exercises in capitalism. But Jimi Hendrix played $hitholes and the Beatles didn't have decent sound systems and it rained cats and dogs on Woodstock. SO WHAT? It's the music and the performance that matter - the LIVING BREATHING MOMENT, not some status oriented measurement of upper class values.

I have no clue how old you are. I am almost 40. I think making statements like "status oriented measurement of upper class values" are really unwarranted and only display more of that knee jeark reaction you are getting so good at. I don't go to any concert with the idea that it's an excercize in capitalism. I agree with you that a concert is "in the moment".

I say it's FINE for ANY Goddam artist to play wherever the hell there's an audience who wants to hear them and that's that. I refuse to judge an act by the bathrooms of the venue - it's not their responsibility!

If you ask me there is absolutely nothing inherently cool about a "shed". Call me anti-elitism, I just have always been irked by that perspective.

See above. I respectfully disagree.

I hope Dennis kicks the audience's ass. Nothing wrong with it, even though Froy (and possibly Dennis) may be privately hanging their heads in some silly "shame" over it.

I think Dennis is laughing his a** off over the name of this one. Come on, how can you not. I think it's hysterical. Outrageous, which is why they probably named it that way.

Lighten up. And have a great weekend

Peace

[Adam]

I'm enjoying the volley, sadie, but it sounds like you blame artists for not being popular. Oooch. I got a big old major problem with that (if that's what you mean).

I think greatness usually has very little to do with popularity.

And if popularity is a measurement of quality, than break out the Ashlee Simpson CDs and let's watch that pinnacle of artistic television, "The Apprentice"!

(It was popular once to be racist too once.)

Yes, you might get judged on where you live, who you associate with, what you do for a living, etc., but A) That don't make it right and B) I feel absolutely compelled to point out that it's wrong and stupid to do so.

I hope Dennis is laughing (I can't help but doubt it) but I sure know Froy aint.

YEE HEE HEE YOW!!!

[bugsymalone]

Adam:

I just can't help but think Froy only getting busted by a few of us Pro-Styx 5.2 types and NOT by the Pro-Dennis caucus suggests being part of the problem, or worse.

Sadie:

I do believe several here have challenged him, called it as we see it, and still it doesn't change. That we recognize the futility of this does not by any stretch mean we condone it. Surely you can recognize that you are lumping people together because they don't react the same way you do.

Adam, apparently, ignores anything that contradicts what he says. Either that or he only reads Froy's posts.

Sadie is right. Many of us have taken Froy to task over his posts. He has been "busted" by more than just the Current Lineup Camp, if you will.

Sorry you keep "missing" those posts, Adam.

Bugsy

[ChicagoSTYX]

Funny how Froy has nothing to say on this one!!

[Adam]

I know. On this topic, Froy's silence is DEAFENING, Chicago.

[sadie65]

I'm enjoying the volley, sadie, but it sounds like you blame artists for not being popular. Oooch. I got a big old major problem with that (if that's what you mean).

Nope not what I mean at all. I mean, that in the final analysis, it is society that dictates what is popular. I cannot stand reality tv, hoever, it is the popular choice for today. Doesn't make it right, but it is "reality".

I think greatness usually has very little to do with popularity.

And if popularity is a measurement of quality, than break out the Ashlee Simpson CDs and let's watch that pinnacle of artistic television, "The Apprentice"!

I fully agree. I stand by my statement thought, that artists are responsible for where they choose to perform. Nothing more, nothing less.

(It was popular once to be racist too once.)

Sadly, in many parts of the world, it still is.

Yes, you might get judged on where you live, who you associate with, what you do for a living, etc., but A) That don't make it right and B) I feel absolutely compelled to point out that it's wrong and stupid to do so.

I agree. I'm merely trying to point out that reality is often the negator to moral rightiousness. People will almost always do that which they somehow makes them better. The whole idea of "celebrity" is absurd. Yet people glom on to the idea that because someone is in the public eye their words and actions are somehow so much more than what they really are. And so, people judge their lives by ridiculous benchmarks.

I hope Dennis is laughing (I can't help but doubt it) but I sure know Froy aint.

Whatever gets you through your day Adam. By the way, have you not noticed that when the so called "DeYoungians" (and I do not wear a toupee Zan) get into dialogue like this, Froy is quiet. Should give you a clue.

I also like the volleys. Now keep up.

[Adam]

sadie: ...have you not noticed that when the so called DeYoungians"...get into dialogue like this, Froy is quiet.

Adam: this speaks volumes in praise of the DeYoungians, I must admit. We he shuts up, y'all seem, well...less stupid!

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