Lawrence Gowan Fired From Styx

[RedWingFan]

Ah.. but still I don't think the mayors of those cities that you mentioned have any control of the Auto Manufacturer's closing down plants and such.

Michigan has long been a very unfriendly business state. High taxes plus very pro-union = jobs going elsewhere. It's not rocket science but libs still manage to get elected here.

Do you think that a Republican or a more conservative Democrat (I know there really aren't those lol) could have been better prepared to run things when the Big three downsize?

Conservatism certainly could have slowed the bleeding from the Big three's troubles. It absolutely would have spurred investment from other fields and businesses and allowed them to prosper here. But instead we have people clinging to the UAW and the Democrat party.

Since the late mid 80's I've watched the NBC affiliate from Detroit and I have to say is things have definately slumped, boomed and slumped again.

Yeah, Republican Governor Engler gave us a shot in the arm. I believe at one point during his term unemployment in Michigan was below 4% which is staggering when you think we can't get below 7% now. Nice job Granholm.

Here in Canada, we had enough of our Left-wing government and voted them out with a more conservative group, maybe when things get bad enough there in Michigan people will wake up and try and vote for a change for the better.

Some of us here continue to fight libs here. Glad to hear about your changes. When I heard about it I gave you Canucks much deserved props. You still have a ways to go yet though. Keep up the fight.

Maybe McCain is the guy to do that for the US. Whoever takes over, they have a long road ahead of them to get the country's economy back into shape!

McCain is NOT a conservative. There's 2 or 3 issues I agree with him on, which is 2 or 3 more than I agree with Obama on.
I don't know if I'll be able to stomach voting for McCain though. We'll see in November.

[Jodes]

So if McCain is not a conservative, what exactly is he then?

I have the funny feeling he's not as right wing as Mr. Bush Jr is..

[RedWingFan]

So if McCain is not a conservative, what exactly is he then?

I have the funny feeling he's not as right wing as Mr. Bush Jr is..

McCain is a liberal. Though he is still right of Obama who is a socialist/Marxist. McCain actually considered joining Kerry on the Democrat ticket 4 years ago.

President Bush is NOT right wing either.

From the start he campaigned as a compassionate/conservative.
Compassionate is a code word for liberal. He oversaw the largest spending increases in education among other things. (the problem with public schools is NOT underfunding, but the huge inefficient beuracracy running it!)
He was conservative on some things like Supreme court nominees and tax cuts.
Other things like the boarder, spending, not so much.

[Zan]

"FOTB is about what a piece of crap this country has turned into, after everything our ancestors fought for to be here".

Is that the true meaning behind the song? I have not listened to it myself in a long time. If so, how nice of a Canadian to point that out to all of us.

Yes, Lord. That's exactly what it means. Nothing deeper, nothing more introspective. Just "this country sucks now and before it didn't."

Very much the same way that *this*:


Not everyone's like Al Gore and longs for a long lost "Eden" that would have us wearing loincloths and trading wampum with Indians. Rolling Eyes


Is a dead-on balls accurate description of every American (hell, anyone) who, God forbid sees flaw in anything happening in or to do with The United States.

<---indeed.


America - FUCK YEAH!

[RedWingFan]

"FOTB is about what a piece of crap this country has turned into, after everything our ancestors fought for to be here".

Is that the true meaning behind the song? I have not listened to it myself in a long time. If so, how nice of a Canadian to point that out to all of us.

Yeah, Lord. That's kinda the meaning of the song.

Sometimes I close my eyes
And picture the plains
I see Buffalo Bill and the Iroquois
Riding again

Open skies, fertile ground
This was heaven on earth
That they found

We got what they gave
By their God we were saved
They were humble not depraved
These streets we're afraid of
Once were the fields of the brave
The fields of the brave

Where a Chevrolet rusts
By a closed shopping mall
Can you see through the dust
Where the brave ones stood tall

Buried deep where they fell
They live on in the stories we tell

But I think this is a more accurate discription of it's meaning...
Not everyone's like Al Gore and longs for a long lost "Eden" that would have us wearing loincloths and trading wampum with Indians.

[LordofDaRing]

Oh well to each their own. By the way what was this topic, oh yeah Styx firing Gowan (bwahahahahha). By the way Jodes nothing against Canada, My two trips to their were very nice. I was especially impressed with how clean everything was. I just wonder how it would go over if an American artist wrote a negative song about Canada, Isreal, Japan, China, etc. Would it go over well in that paticular country?

Nice that we do have that first ammendment right here, even if some people use it to say that we should ban the second ammendment. Uh oh, just went off topic even more. Ok now back to this Larry Gowan thing....

[LordofDaRing]

Yeah Red Wing I see your point. Its the same recurring thing out there with these hollywood and rich types, do as I say, not as I do. Not to sure a lot of American Indians would want to return to that past either.

[elmotano]

Let's see... Fields of the Brave,

The Show Me The Way ripoff





I Am The Walrus,

Beatles ripoff





Love For The Money,

Never Heard of it




and even A Criminal Mind have been played.

Not A Styx song

Sorry Larry Loses again[/quote]


fraud I can only think of one loser here. Do you see a therapist about DDY not being in Styx anymore? How much has this cost you in the last 9 years? Does your therapist help you cope with being such a loser?

[Tanirocker]

:::sigh:::

I tried. I didn't bring up politics and I really tried to ignore the digs, but I have to correct a few things. As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.

McCain is a liberal. Though he is still right of Obama who is a socialist/Marxist.

McCain is a neo-con, just as Bush is. He supports the same failed policies and regressive attitudes. He certainly believes in the forceful promotion of democracy and US national interests through military means. That's the very definition of the term.

Obama is neither socialist nor Marxist. Has Obama spoken in support of a dictatorship of the proletariat? When has he supported a collective or governmental ownership of the production and distribution of goods? When did he say he was for the abolition of private property? To be a socialist/Marxist, he would have to be a supporter of all of those things.

From democrats, you will not hear the words freedom or liberty. From them you will hear the words: required, mandated and universal.

I use all of those words. I don't believe that any of them are owned by any political group of any stripe.

[Tanirocker]

Funny...I don't see Fields of the Brave as a negative message at all. I think it's a reminder of our past and the glories that should inspire us to greater things.

A few years ago, when they were doing the song live, a bunch of us brought American flags to wave during that song!

[froy]

Funny...I don't see Fields of the Brave as a negative message at all. I think it's a reminder of our past and the glories that should inspire us to greater things.

To me its a reminder of a plagiarism
Just put the words Show Me The Way in the place of FOTB and your off to court

A few years ago, when they were doing the song live, a bunch of us brought American flags to wave during that song!

Gee how creative
Did Gowan sing with his ass to the crowd on that one?

[Zan]

Funny...I don't see Fields of the Brave as a negative message at all. I think it's a reminder of our past and the glories that should inspire us to greater things.

I don't either, funny enough. It's sort of introspective to me, but I do get a somewhat melancholy feel from it.

But we're wrong. The message is clearly that America sucks.

To me its a reminder of a plagiarism
Just put the words Show Me The Way in the place of FOTB and your off to court

How much is DeYoung paying you per word these days? No, I don't think he's that obsessive about current Styx. He's too busy having a life.

Too bad they didn't use "show me the way." Chuck might have gotten more credit! :::ducking:::

Did Gowan sing with his ass to the crowd on that one?

Yes, Tani. Would you let us know ...'cuz my loin cloth & I will start looking into flights to CA if so.

[Toph]

[quote="Zan"]


How much is DeYoung paying you per word these days? No, I don't think he's that obsessive about current Styx. He's too busy having a life.

Too bad they didn't use "show me the way." Chuck might have gotten more credit! :::ducking:::


I have to disagree with Chuckie on his claim in his book that he should have gotten a 1/2 writing credit for Show Me The Way. That is ludicrous IMO. Dennis writes the entire music, the entire lyrics, and you suggest changing 3 words and you want the same amount of credit for the song as DDY? Give me a break. It seemed to me to be handled the right way with a Thank you in the liner notes.

[Zan]

How much is DeYoung paying you per word these days? No, I don't think he's that obsessive about current Styx. He's too busy having a life.

Too bad they didn't use "show me the way." Chuck might have gotten more credit! :::ducking:::


I have to disagree with Chuckie on his claim in his book that he should have gotten a 1/2 writing credit for Show Me The Way. That is ludicrous IMO. Dennis writes the entire music, the entire lyrics, and you suggest changing 3 words and you want the same amount of credit for the song as DDY? Give me a break. It seemed to me to be handled the right way with a Thank you in the liner notes.

Jesus Christ, it was a joke. Relax.

[Jodes]

Funny...I don't see Fields of the Brave as a negative message at all. I think it's a reminder of our past and the glories that should inspire us to greater things.

To me its a reminder of a plagiarism
Just put the words Show Me The Way in the place of FOTB and your off to court

A few years ago, when they were doing the song live, a bunch of us brought American flags to wave during that song!

Gee how creative
Did Gowan sing with his ass to the crowd on that one?

Of the video's i've seen no, but someone's talking out of his right now..

[RedWingFan]

McCain is a liberal. Though he is still right of Obama who is a socialist/Marxist.

Obama is neither socialist nor Marxist. Has Obama spoken in support of a dictatorship of the proletariat? When has he supported a collective or governmental ownership of the production and distribution of goods? When did he say he was for the abolition of private property? To be a socialist/Marxist, he would have to be a supporter of all of those things.

I'm sure Obama keeps them as his friends and on his staff just to keep an eye on them.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/ ... rxist.html

[Tanirocker]

Did Gowan sing with his ass to the crowd on that one?

He can sing with his ass???

I knew he could tighten screws on suspension bridges with those tight buns but damn...singing? Now that's talent.

[RedWingFan]

Did Gowan sing with his ass to the crowd on that one?

He can sing with his ass???

I knew he could tighten screws on suspension bridges with those tight buns but damn...singing? Now that's talent.

I hope you're a chick!

[Zan]

I'm sure Obama keeps them as his friends and on his staff just to keep an eye on them.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/ ... rxist.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Thinker

Can you find a source that doesn't have a right-wing agenda to back up your ridiculous accusations, or is that all you read?

(and I'm a Republican, dude. You're embarrassing me)

[RedWingFan]

I'm sure Obama keeps them as his friends and on his staff just to keep an eye on them.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/ ... rxist.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Thinker

Can you find a source that doesn't have a right-wing agenda to back up your ridiculous accusations, or is that all you read?

(and I'm a Republican, dude. You're embarrassing me)

How does that change the facts of the column?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Well excuse me Froy.. last time I checked my map the USA was a lot more then Chicago!!

So tell me Froy, when was the last time you heard a DDY-solo song on the radio in Chicago? Does that mean he didn't get any airplay in the USA as well?

Oh and guess what, I bet he doesn't get any airplay in Chicago when he releases 100 Years from now.. whenever that may be (I guess its the fall now, so look for it to be released summer of 09)

Milwaukee, Appleton, Madison (all Wisconsin) radio stations do play DDY solo more often than not. The other day I heard "Grand Illusion" from his live cd. "Desert Moon" is played especially on Fridays here in Milwaukee.

"Save Me" was played a month ago on a Milwaukee radio station

[Zan]

I'm sure Obama keeps them as his friends and on his staff just to keep an eye on them.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/ ... rxist.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Thinker

Can you find a source that doesn't have a right-wing agenda to back up your ridiculous accusations, or is that all you read?

(and I'm a Republican, dude. You're embarrassing me)

How does that change the facts of the column?

Well, for starters, they're not complete facts. It's political propaganda used to slant any "facts" they can scrounge to paint only one part of a very large picture. But I don't really need to explain this to you, do I?

I guess that's one thing Conservatives truly have in the bag: Persuasion through paranoia. I'm just thankful I'm smart enough to buy it. *shrug*

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get some more wampum!

[Zan]

"Save Me" was played a month ago on a Milwaukee radio station [/b][/color]

Clearly a "Heads Up "ripoff.

"Too late I heard them calling - Saaaaave me
Won't somebody....saaaaaaaaaave meeeeee."

Yup.

That rat bastard.

[froy]

Well excuse me Froy.. last time I checked my map the USA was a lot more then Chicago!!

So tell me Froy, when was the last time you heard a DDY-solo song on the radio in Chicago? Does that mean he didn't get any airplay in the USA as well?

Oh and guess what, I bet he doesn't get any airplay in Chicago when he releases 100 Years from now.. whenever that may be (I guess its the fall now, so look for it to be released summer of 09)

Milwaukee, Appleton, Madison (all Wisconsin) radio stations do play DDY solo more often than not. The other day I heard "Grand Illusion" from his live cd. "Desert Moon" is played especially on Fridays here in Milwaukee.

"Save Me" was played a month ago on a Milwaukee radio station

I heard Boy 's will Be Boys the other day also
Call Me as well..
Dennis solo is on all the time

[Zan]

I heard Boy 's will Be Boys the other day also

Yipyipyipyipyipyip-BOMBOM

Sorry, I can't think of that song without singing it out loud.

[styxfanNH]

Do you have that number to that girl, Susie...Susie Fusie....I like the way she looks...

Always the obligatory shout out for Suzanne....

[froy]

Well excuse me Froy.. last time I checked my map the USA was a lot more then Chicago!!

Better check again

So tell me Froy, when was the last time you heard a DDY-solo song on the radio in Chicago? Does that mean he didn't get any airplay in the USA as well?

When was the last time you heard a JY solo song on the air?

Oh and guess what, I bet he doesn't get any airplay in Chicago when he releases 100 Years from now..

When you lose will you pay?

[froy]

Do you have that number to that girl, Susie...Susie Fusie....I like the way she looks...

Always the obligatory shout out for Suzanne....

Great song that Boys will be boys
I can see the video now

[Jodes]

Well excuse me Froy.. last time I checked my map the USA was a lot more then Chicago!!

So tell me Froy, when was the last time you heard a DDY-solo song on the radio in Chicago? Does that mean he didn't get any airplay in the USA as well?

Oh and guess what, I bet he doesn't get any airplay in Chicago when he releases 100 Years from now.. whenever that may be (I guess its the fall now, so look for it to be released summer of 09)

Milwaukee, Appleton, Madison (all Wisconsin) radio stations do play DDY solo more often than not. The other day I heard "Grand Illusion" from his live cd. "Desert Moon" is played especially on Fridays here in Milwaukee.

"Save Me" was played a month ago on a Milwaukee radio station

I heard Boy 's will Be Boys the other day also
Call Me as well..
Dennis solo is on all the time

Your Ipod doesn't count Froy..

[Jodes]

How quickly the topic changes from Larry to JY when Froy knows he's backed into a corner and can't admit the truth.

Finally Why would I pay you anything?

Actually the only thing that would involve money and you Froy would have me put in a US jail for 5-10 years.