Facts Respectfully Submited to Froy

[Monker]

Dennis was sick but thats not why they dumped him JY has all but said it in his interviews, The VW commercial and other things got him ousted
Perry was never comming back his inactivity has proved that .

Liar.

Quote it. I have probably asked you a dozen times and you have NEVER produced an article and quote where this was said.

They replaced Dennis because he couldn't/wouldn't tour when they and the label needed him to. It's as simple as that.

[froy]

Dennis was sick but thats not why they dumped him JY has all but said it in his interviews, The VW commercial and other things got him ousted
Perry was never comming back his inactivity has proved that .

Liar.

Quote it. I have probably asked you a dozen times and you have NEVER produced an article and quote where this was said.

I see so everything has to be in an article for it to be real.
Do you really believe that they dumped Dennis because he was sick and they did not want to wait for him ? That was in an article and you know damm well that is not the reason, If it was would they have nothing to do with Dennis since? Thats alittle cold hearted wouldn't ya say?
Jy has all but said it in every interview he has done something to the contrary So if your waiting to hear the real reason why Dennis was dumped and your looking for an article your never going to see it ,

They replaced Dennis because he couldn't/wouldn't tour when they and the label needed him to. It's as simple as that.

Again blaming the lable BS
Comming off back to back sucsessfull tours the lable did not need anything, Did you hear the last radio interview with Dennis in Florida when the DJ said what did one of the members need the money
He said I don't want to get into that .
Kinda tells ya who needed the tours
600 shows in 5 years really tells it to me and there not even with that lable anymore.

[Monker]

I see so everything has to be in an article for it to be real.
Do you really believe that they dumped Dennis because he was sick and they did not want to wait for him ? That was in an article and you know damm well that is not the reason, If it was would they have nothing to do with Dennis since? Thats alittle cold hearted wouldn't ya say?
Jy has all but said it in every interview he has done something to the contrary So if your waiting to hear the real reason why Dennis was dumped and your looking for an article your never going to see it ,

Geez, you contradicted yourself so many times in the above it's redikyoulus.

First you say it's not in an article.
Then you say it's in an article, and I know it.
Then you say it's in every article that JY has done.
Then you say I'll never see it in an article.

I say you are making things up and can't even keep your own lies straight. Quote an article or admit that you don't know for certain what you are talking about.

Again blaming the lable BS
Comming off back to back sucsessfull tours the lable did not need anything

They released their first studio album since Kilroy and you don't think the label wanted a tour to promote it? You''re joking, right? You just can't be serious about that.

Did you hear the last radio interview with Dennis in Florida when the DJ said what did one of the members need the money
He said I don't want to get into that .
Kinda tells ya who needed the tours
600 shows in 5 years really tells it to me and there not even with that lable anymore.

So, since everybody wants to tour except the lead singer, then the band has to wait for him, indefinitely...and that's OK. Are you sure you're a Dennis fan talking about Styx and not a Perry fan talking about Journey?

[froy]

I see so everything has to be in an article for it to be real.
Do you really believe that they dumped Dennis because he was sick and they did not want to wait for him ? That was in an article and you know damm well that is not the reason, If it was would they have nothing to do with Dennis since? Thats alittle cold hearted wouldn't ya say?
Jy has all but said it in every interview he has done something to the contrary So if your waiting to hear the real reason why Dennis was dumped and your looking for an article your never going to see it ,

Geez, you contradicted yourself so many times in the above it's redikyoulus.

First you say it's not in an article.
Then you say it's in an article, and I know it.
Then you say it's in every article that JY has done.
Then you say I'll never see it in an article.

I say you are making things up and can't even keep your own lies straight. Quote an article or admit that you don't know for certain what you are talking about.

You can't be this stupid really you just can't be .
2 issues were brought up
First Dennis being tossed because of the VW commercial you then asked me to quote it becuase its not in an article
Then the JY story about why Dennis was not in the band which is in many articles and is always changing .
And please enough with the liar BS .

Again blaming the lable BS
Comming off back to back sucsessfull tours the lable did not need anything

They released their first studio album since Kilroy and you don't think the label wanted a tour to promote it?

Ahh I see now your guessing as to the lable wanting to promote it , Once again for you and your slow minded way of thinking
Im sure the lable did not say ok dump Dennis and go on tour without him
No freakin way . Next made up story MonK

So, since everybody wants to tour except the lead singer, then the band has to wait for him, indefinitely...

6 months is not indefinitly
Funny he's touring now no probnlem

[styxfanNH]

Froy,

JY usually gets bashed in here for saying the same thing over and over, now you say he keeps changing what he says. I am surely confused over this.

When BNW was released, there was pressure from the label to tour it. Dennis was ill. 6 months is a lifetime to wait for a tour after an album is released and it would have made little sense to wait seeing they would have lost any momentum a new album would bring. At that moment in time there was no way anyone could say with any certainty that DDY would be better.

Now we pretty much know much more now than we did then. But during that album, Classic Styx, ceased to be. As we know now, even if Dennis was healthy, they would have done the complimentary 30 city tour and called it quits. Right or wrong; Tommy, JY, and Chuck pretty much wanted to tour and they weren't going to let Dennis stop them like he did after Kilroy or EOC.

I know this is a rehash of the rehash, but its the way it is.

[froy]

Froy,

JY usually gets bashed in here for saying the same thing over and over, now you say he keeps changing what he says. I am surely confused over this.

Jy gets bashed not because he say's the same thing over and over he gets bashed because he's negative towards Dennis over and over.
The story always changes thats for sure

When BNW was released, there was pressure from the label to tour it.

Really I never heard anyone say this but Monker and yourself.
Im sure if they knew Dennis was ill they could have delayed the release of the cd for 6 months no big deal.

Dennis was ill. 6 months is a lifetime to wait for a tour after an album is released and it would have made little sense to wait seeing they would have lost any momentum a new album would bring.

Really JRNY waited 2 years for Steve Perry so any excuse to me is just that an excuse, They wanted Dennis out for 2 reasons 1 he would not do 100 shows a year 2 He would not split the 500 K from the VW commercial.
BNW and Dennis being sick had nothing to do with it at all.
It's the cover page line .

At that moment in time there was no way anyone could say with any certainty that DDY would be better.

If you remember Dennis was supposed to come back mid tour.
then all of a sudden he was dumped WHY was that ?

Now we pretty much know much more now than we did then. But during that album, Classic Styx, ceased to be. As we know now, even if Dennis was healthy, they would have done the complimentary 30 city tour and called it quits.

You can't say that with certainty they would have been promoting a new cd
The 2 tours prior were rehash tours different situation
Those tours were warm up shows to see if the band still had it and they sure did. The RTTP tour was the best tour in there history.
Then JY and Shaw got freakin greedy they wanted money big time.
Dennis slowed them down, Out he went.

Right or wrong; Tommy, JY, and Chuck pretty much wanted to tour and they weren't going to let Dennis stop them like he did after Kilroy or EOC.

You could be right BUT do you see other acts over touring like the current
STYX
I mean really 600 shows in 5 years is over kill Even Burtnick said it was ridiculous, I would rather have a better quality show and less of them then 100 shows a year with the wrong lineup any damm day of the week.

[yogi]

If they would of waited for Dennis for six months, then released Brave New World, then went out on tour together, do you think we all would of gotten to hear Hip Hop, Great Expectations, and Fallen Angle live???

Thats DAMN scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

FROY: "Im sure if they knew Dennis was ill they could have delayed the release of the cd for 6 months no big deal."

ADAM: I've read this figure, and it's always struck me ridiculous. There was surely no "6 months". He couldn't even identify WHAT he had - how could he know how long it'd take for him to be "cured"?

FROY: "JRNY waited 2 years for Steve Perry so any excuse to me is just that an excuse, They wanted Dennis out for 2 reasons 1 he would not do 100 shows a year 2 He would not split the 500 K from the VW commercial."

ADAM: I bet they wanted him out for a MYRIAD of reasons. I guess that, like Journey, Styx got fed up with being manipulated by an egocentric prima donna lead singer. In the end, Journey chose to move on without Perry, so his presence ultimately musn't have been all that valueable to them! DeYoung's MADE-UP illness was the straw that broke the camel's back. At THIS STAGE IN THE GAME - the late 90s - when their commercioal peak was behind them - they saw no reason to continue putting up with the unprofessional powertrips.

FROY: If you remember Dennis was supposed to come back mid tour.
then all of a sudden he was dumped WHY was that ?

ADAM: Here's why. DeYoung was absolutely dead set against them touring without him. He was very vocal publically about this. He went to bashing their choices in interviews. Meanwhile, the band was probably having more fun than they'd had in years, now they were without this overbearing ego tripping control freak. Suddenly they were realizing confidence with the new band (Sucherman, Burtnik and Gowan are no slouches). I can understand why they would retract their offer. The guy was dissing them AND began sueing them. These are grown ups. Life's too short. They chose to continue performing great shows without the extra stress putting up with DeYoung would've brought.

FROY: "The 2 tours prior were rehash tours different situation
Those tours were warm up shows to see if the band still had it and they sure did. The RTTP tour was the best tour in there history."

ADAM: Says you. (And it's spelled "their", by the way). I see Froy accepts rehashing old hits, but only Dennis gets to do so. Not for a second do I buy the theory that those 2 tours were any kind of "test". Nobody's ever said anything of the sort. Just another Froyimagining.

[sadie65]

Okay...are we all finished hashing this yet? My goodness people...let it go.

Some like Adam think that Dennis made up an illness and was nothing but a prima donna, others like Froy think that it was only the VW commercial.

We don't have facts...we have lots of different statements made by these men over the past (soon to be) 6 years. And we twist them, interpret them, and manipulate them to support our theories (myself included).

Enough already. Can we all just agree to disagree and enjoy the music...in whatever form you like.

If you all want to argue for the sake of arguing...be my guest. Just seems a big waste of time. I don't think any of our "facts" will change anyone's minds on this board.

Four pages of basically...nothing constructive. Just my opinion of course.

Sadie

[DeeJaySTYX]

I'm With You, Sadie... Long Live The Music...


DeeJay....

[froy]

If they would of waited for Dennis for six months, then released Brave New World, then went out on tour together, do you think we all would of gotten to hear Hip Hop, Great Expectations, and Fallen Angle live???

Thats DAMN scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would have been better than Gowan singing Dennis songs thats for sure .

[froy]

FROY: "Im sure if they knew Dennis was ill they could have delayed the release of the cd for 6 months no big deal."

ADAM: I've read this figure, and it's always struck me ridiculous. There was surely no "6 months". He couldn't even identify WHAT he had - how could he know how long it'd take for him to be "cured"?

All I know is Dennis said he needed 6 months
Thats all Im basing it on.

DeYoung's MADE-UP illness was the straw that broke the camel's back. At THIS STAGE IN THE GAME - the late 90s - when their commercioal peak was behind them - they saw no reason to continue putting up with the unprofessional powertrips.

So you have proof Dennis made up this illness?
If it were true he would have asked for a year not 6 months

I see Froy accepts rehashing old hits, but only Dennis gets to do so. Not for a second do I buy the theory that those 2 tours were any kind of "test".

Im not asking you to buy anything the fact is the band had not played
together for 12 years so call it what you want
The RTTP tour was a greatest hits tour with Little Suzie thrown in.
They had to start somewhere.

[Monker]

Okay...are we all finished hashing this yet? My goodness people...let it go.

Why?

Some like Adam think that Dennis made up an illness and was nothing but a prima donna, others like Froy think that it was only the VW commercial.

No, most people know that their opinions are not facts...others confuse the two and constantly need to be corrected.

We don't have facts...we have lots of different statements made by these men over the past (soon to be) 6 years. And we twist them, interpret them, and manipulate them to support our theories (myself included).

And, some people choose to state their 'theories' as if it is reality...even if that reality makes absolutely no sense at all.

Enough already. Can we all just agree to disagree and enjoy the music...in whatever form you like.

No. It seems to me that this forum is more for discussing what you don't like about Styx. It's for discussing what you don't like about JY's interviews. It's for discussing what you don't like about how Styx tours. It's for discussing what you don't like about Dennis' choice of musical genres. It's for discussing what you don't like about bands doing cover songs. It's for discussing what you don't like about Dennis choices in Styx past. It's for discussing what you don't like about Gowan.

It is that way because that is what the members here make it. Oh, sure, it can be changed temporarily. But, as soon as JY does another interview, or Styx makes some announcement...some here will not be able to resist the fresh meat. It's in their nature.

If you all want to argue for the sake of arguing...be my guest. Just seems a big waste of time. I don't think any of our "facts" will change anyone's minds on this board.

Of course it doesn't. So, when somebody is all bent on making Dennis smelling like roses...and somebody else is bent on making Styx a success without him : Who wins?

Nobody...it's a draw. The one who loses is the one who truly believes there is something to win. The only winning move is not to play.

But, I like to play...I don't care if I win, and I know I can't lose.

Four pages of basically...nothing constructive. Just my opinion of course.

Oh, it was constructive for me personaly. It was fun to write. Some of the things I wrote I didn't even post...but it was still fun. The thing about John Lennon was a blast. You call that not being "constructive"...I think I constructed a very entertaining post - LOL.

[styxfanNH]

No one has ever changed anyone elses mind when it comes to this board. Everyone believes their version of the truth. Others can't handle the truth. There are probably about 5 different points on this entire board. maybe not even that many. But we all plan to rehash our points to the death.

[froy]

And, some people choose to state their 'theories' as if it is reality...even if that reality makes absolutely no sense at all.

Thats Monker

[Monker]

And, some people choose to state their 'theories' as if it is reality...even if that reality makes absolutely no sense at all.

Thats Monker

Let me give you "Reality According to Monker":

#1. Styx is Styx whether people like it or not. Certain people may not like it, but they are not going to change their name.

#2. Styx will continue to record and release music as long as they have a label willing to release it. Even if they don't have a label, they could release it on their own, as Journey does....if enough people buy it to make it profitable.

#3. Styx will continue to tour as long as people continue to go to their shows and venues book them. I don't care if they do three shows a day playing at day care centers to five year olds. If those kids are paying customers, and the day care wants to book them, and Styx agrees to it, they can tour.....and no amount of complaining will stop it.

#4. Styx will record whatever music they want to record and perform whatever music they want to perform. If they want to rerecord BCM reagae style, nothing is stopping them. If they want to go on stage and parody Babe, and have JY bust Tommy's guitar because he hates the song so much, nothing is stopping them....no amount of complaining will cause them to change it - because labels still release their albums and people still go to their concerts.

#5. The 'breakup' was years ago. Why it happened, and who it happened to is basicaly irrelevant. No amount of complaining about it is going to change the fact that Dennis was kicked out of the band, that he sued the band to stop them moving forward - and he settled out of court ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE ON WITOUT HIM. Not even Dennis can change that outcome.

#6. The reality is that we are talking about Styx...even if some people don't like the current band. A band that has vibrant conversation about it is more in the public eye getting attention then a band that has no conversation about it at all.

So, go ahead, complain some more. It's just cannon fodder for me. None of your talk is going to change the current reality of Styx - no matter how much you hate it.

[froy]

And, some people choose to state their 'theories' as if it is reality...even if that reality makes absolutely no sense at all.

Thats Monker

Let me give you "Reality According to Monker":

Not Intrested Delete

[Adam]

Monker has the right to state his opinions, as we all do. And those who aren't interested enough to read them (Froy) can choose to do so. But really, what's interesting is how he'd enter a conversation, post, state his case, argue it, and then refuse to read anyone else's perspective.

One might call that ignorant. I believe Andrew would prefer you call it something like close minded. I think you can guess what I'd call it.

Perhaps Froy would rather censor Monker?

Fans take on the characteristics of their heros. DeYoung is obviously one pompous dude, who was hard to work with. You can only imagine him not allowing others to their opinions, deleting their thoughts and ideas.

[froy]

Monker has the right to state his opinions, as we all do.

He's not stating his opinions he's giving a sermon he calls It reality according to Monker big difference,

Not called for on this board

[Adam]

Well, actually, I believe his well explained "reality" makes alot of sense and is not colored by personal issues, as some people's perspectives certainly do.

And it pompous to make declarations like "Not called for on this board"!

Delusional actually.

[sadie65]

Fans take on the characteristics of their heros. DeYoung is obviously one pompous dude, who was hard to work with. You can only imagine him not allowing others to their opinions, deleting their thoughts and ideas.[/quote]


Now see I don't see him that way, and I think the term hero is grossly missused on this board. But that's me.

I have no doubt there were times Dennis was a royal pain. But I have also seen him be open and more than willing to compromise. I think he causes friction because he has such exacting standards. Not everyone shares those standards. And yeah, if he pushes too hard, he alienates.

This was from an interview done by JY in December of 1999 for the House of Blues..

QUESTION: Why did you start singing>
STYX: Well, guitar playing was my first love, when it came to playing music. And singing just sort of followed. And actually, it's Dennis DeYoung that really, in the beginning of Styx, encouraged me to try and become a lead singer. To work at it. When I didn't think of myself as one.

I think that these men simply grew apart in what they expected of themselves, each other, and this band. it is very easy to say Dennis is the major factor, or the major victim. Somewhere in the middle lies the "truth".

Sadie

[bugsymalone]

Well stated, Sadie. And, may I add, CALMLY stated.

Most musicians are strong, A-type pesonalities to begin with. It is the nature of what makes them do what they feel they have to do -- a total belief in the music and their talent to produce it.

When these kinds of personalities form to make up a band, they start out tentatively, naturally, exploring what they want to do and how they want to do it. Often they are willing to work within the band to achieve their dreams and to, they hope, be successful and recognized.

When they DO become successful, what made them be what they wanted to be -- performers, singers, writers, etc. -- in the first place will naturally rise back up, in the belief that each one was responsible for the success of the band.

I do not think there is any band that is any exception to this rule. Some grow to tolerate the strong personalties within and continue on. Others, MOST bands, eventually break apart over the differences of these personalities.

Ambition, ego, talent, all go into making a successful performer and/or band of performers.

Those very attributes that helped them become great in the first place are often the very things that break the whole thing apart.

Solo performers have no one to blame but themselves if things start falling apart.

Bands usually blame each other.

And the fans take sides and therein lie the pages of arguments such as these.

My, oh let's say, 45 cents on this topic.

Bugsy

[froy]

Well, actually, I believe his well explained "reality" makes alot of sense and is not colored by personal issues, as some people's perspectives certainly do.

And it pompous to make declarations like "Not called for on this board"!

Delusional actually.

Thanks for the kind words but the fact is we are not here to preeched the word of Styx according to everyone on this board
We are he to talk about subjects and debate them
If you wish I will tear apart the fuzzy word of Stx according to Monker and we can turn that into a 10 pager,

[Monker]

Thanks for the kind words but the fact is we are not here to preeched the word of Styx according to everyone on this board

First of all - the above makes absolutely no sense at all.

Secondly, I'm not 'preaching'. You implied that what I view as the reality of the Styx situation makes no sense at all. Well, I spelled out the cold hard truth of the matter. That's not 'preaching', it's just telling it like it is.

We are he to talk about subjects and debate them

Who are you to say what this forum is for? You are not the owner. You are not even a moderator. You can't censor me, or delete my posts. You have absolutely no power over me at all.

If you wish I will tear apart the fuzzy word of Stx according to Monker and we can turn that into a 10 pager,

If you could, you would have already done so. If you do respond, all you will do is go off on some tangent completely ignoring what I said...probably going after Styx and saying such and such is 'bad'. That is your nature.

Go ahead, disagree with me. Tell me that labels will sign Styx and release albums if they don't sell enough to make a profit. Tell me venues will continue to book Styx if nobody shows up at their shows. Tell me that Styx will continue to tour if they are losing money. Tell that they are going to change their name when they are still making a living off of "Styx". Tell me that the whining and complaing by some over zealous fans on the internet will change ANYTHING Styx does...except keep their name in some people's conversations.

As long as Styx (or Journey, or LRB, or Dennis, or any other performer/recording act) has enough fans to be profitable, they can continue...Even if there is a small number of outspoken people who dislike, hate, or whatever, them.

Go ahead...I'd like to see how you will justify your actions and words.

[froy]

Thanks for the kind words but the fact is we are not here to preeched the word of Styx according to everyone on this board

First of all - the above makes absolutely no sense at all.

Sure it does if your smart enough to figure it out

Secondly, I'm not 'preaching'. You implied that what I view as the reality of the Styx situation makes no sense at all. Well, I spelled out the cold hard truth of the matter. That's not 'preaching', it's just telling it like it is.

First of all I don't remember implying anything
I can ripp that sermon to shreads but I don't think I need to get into another 10 page tit for tat with you
My point is if every single poster on this board gave the same sermon we would be here for weeks in a 25 page war.
Stick to the facts on hand don't give us the Monker Styx sermon.
Its way too fuzzy .

We are he to talk about subjects and debate them

Who are you to say what this forum is for?

Who are you to give out deluted Styx analogies?

You are not the owner. You are not even a moderator. You can't censor me, or delete my posts. You have absolutely no power over me at all.

Your right you can be an idiot all by yourself you don't need any help/

If you wish I will tear apart the fuzzy word of Stx according to Monker and we can turn that into a 10 pager,

If you could, you would have already done so.

Fine stay tuned,

If you do respond, all you will do is go off on some tangent completely ignoring what I said...probably going after Styx and saying such and such is 'bad'. That is your nature.

Thats my noose around your neck

Go ahead, disagree with me. Tell me that labels will sign Styx and release albums if they don't sell enough to make a profit. Tell me venues will continue to book Styx if nobody shows up at their shows. Tell me that Styx will continue to tour if they are losing money. Tell that they are going to change their name when they are still making a living off of "Styx". Tell me that the whining and complaing by some over zealous fans on the internet will change ANYTHING Styx does...except keep their name in some people's conversations.

There ya go ya just blasted yourself.

[Monker]

My point is if every single poster on this board gave the same sermon we would be here for weeks in a 25 page war.

Do you even know what a 'sermon' is?

Stick to the facts on hand don't give us the Monker Styx sermon.
Its way too fuzzy .

The 'facts on hand'? You mean the facts on YOUR hand, the ONLY facts YOU want to deal with. So, everybody should just talk about the few things YOU want to talk about and everything else should be tossed aside as being unworthy because YOU say it is?

Again, this isn't your forum and you do not have a say in what people post.

Who are you to give out deluted Styx analogies?

A person given the privilage to post to this forum by Andrew...no different then you or any of the other people here.

Your right you can be an idiot all by yourself you don't need any help/

Yep, and you can downgrade yourself all you want by making personal attacks, instead of addressing the subject of the forum.

Thats my noose around your neck

Sorry, nobody on the internet has a noose on my neck.

[Adam]

FROY: “Stick to the facts on hand don't give us the Monker Styx sermon. Its way too fuzzy.”

ADAM: Okay. Since Froy is attacking what was said, let’s look at what Monker wrote. Let’s look at it’s factuality.


#1. Styx is Styx whether people like it or not. Certain people may not like it, but they are not going to change their name.

Fact. Plain and simple.

#2. Styx will continue to record and release music as long as they have a label willing to release it. Even if they don't have a label, they could release it on their own, as Journey does....if enough people buy it to make it profitable.

Fact. No matter how much a middle aged guy or two in IL are against it.

#3. Styx will continue to tour as long as people continue to go to their shows and venues book them. I don't care if they do three shows a day playing at day care centers to five year olds. If those kids are paying customers, and the day care wants to book them, and Styx agrees to it, they can tour.....and no amount of complaining will stop it.

Absolute fact. There would be no way to pay a crew, travel expenses, etc. without there being ticket sales. This band is selling tickets and have been for 5 years. Contrary to Froy’s predictions, the band has lasted quite profitably without his hero.

#4. Styx will record whatever music they want to record and perform whatever music they want to perform. If they want to rerecord BCM reagae style, nothing is stopping them. If they want to go on stage and parody Babe, and have JY bust Tommy's guitar because he hates the song so much, nothing is stopping them....no amount of complaining will cause them to change it - because labels still release their albums and people still go to their concerts.

Fact. Whatever idiots like us choose to debate online is pointless to their creative choices, I assure you. To think otherwise is delusional.

#5. The 'breakup' was years ago. Why it happened, and who it happened to is basically irrelevant. No amount of complaining about it is going to change the fact that Dennis was kicked out of the band, that he sued the band to stop them moving forward - and he settled out of court ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE ON WITOUT HIM. Not even Dennis can change that outcome.

All true. Facts.

#6. The reality is that we are talking about Styx...even if some people don't like the current band. A band that has vibrant conversation about it is more in the public eye getting attention then a band that has no conversation about it at all.

Fact. As recognized in a Court of Law, as recognized in an agreement with Dennis DeYoung, the band that Froy doesn’t like is Styx. And controversy does give an act a higher profile.

So there ya have it. Froy challenges us, and people respond. Then Froy says “delete”. But here it is again, Froy asked Monker to “Stick to the facts” and he does. Nothing “fuzzy” about it.

MONKER: “Go ahead, disagree with me. Tell me that labels will sign Styx and release albums if they don't sell enough to make a profit. Tell me venues will continue to book Styx if nobody shows up at their shows. Tell me that Styx will continue to tour if they are losing money. Tell that they are going to change their name when they are still making a living off of ‘Styx’. Tell me that the whining and complaing by some over zealous fans on the internet will change ANYTHING Styx does...except keep their name in some people's conversations.”

ADAM: Excellent argument on Monker’s part. Immature responses on Froy’s part.

[ek88]

No offense intended, froy, but after reading Adam's, Monker's, and your posts, I think you should just quit while you're behind

(Go ahead and take your retaliatory shot now )

[DarrenUK]

Adam and Monker I agree with you both 100%

I love Dennis,s music from Styx 1 to Paradise Theater, and in my opinion wrote the best songs in the band during those years.

I like Cyclorama I like DDY live with Symphony Orchestra

I would love to see DDY back in Styx but i accept it wont happen and have moved on.

I will always go and see Styx live and will always go and see DDY live.
I will always buy a new Styx CD and will always buy a new DDY CD (Unless its Broadway not my style)

Everyone from Tommy & JY to Dennis is doing what they enjoy and i bet if they came on this message board they would all have a good chuckle at these anti Styx anti DDY posts.

Lets discuss the positives in what both Styx and DDY are doing and not slate everything the other side does.
DDY aint coming back get over it Froy.
Dennis was always the best singer/songwriter in Styx until 1981 get over it Monker & Adam

To the both of you

HAPPY NEW YEAR

PS..

Styx have not played here in the UK since 1981 and they have sold 33 rows of the Manchester Apollo and there is still 6 months to go until the show, thats good in comparison to other bands who sell 30 rows total. Roll on June 17th......

[yogi]

DarrenUK I agree with EVERYTHING you just wrote, and that is pretty much EXACTLY how I feel about the state of past and current Styx, and Dennis Deyoung.

DarrenUK, If you havent already, pick up a copy of Glen Burtniks Welcome To Hollywood. It is AWESOME!! One of the GREATEST CD's I have EVER heard!!

I have an article from back in 1991, when Glen replaced Tommy for Edge Of The Century. In the article Dennis stated what an UNBELIEVEABLE talent Glen Burtnik is. Boy, was Dennis Deyoung correct. This CD is TOTAL proof!!!!!

Great post Darren, and great facts Monker. Adam you are 100% correct in your evaluation, and Ek88 your advice to Froy was VERY well stated. A total team effort, kind of like........................ Cyclorama!!!