MR

All these varying subjects, threads, (assembly lines, Yogi!) started here seem always to go back to the basic arguments we all go back and forth on, day after day, post after post.

There are a few irrefutable facts in this whole Styx the Band matter. Everything else. and I mean EVERYTHING else, including what I believe and say, are simply suppositions, guesses and inferences.

1. A core group of three young men formed the starting point of the band that would become Styx. Dennis DeYoung and John and Chuck Panozzo.

2. The band was already in place with additional members James Young and John Curulewsi when the name Styx was agreed upon by all members.

3. Three members left the band voluntarily. John Curulewski, Tommy Shaw and Glen Burtnik.

4. Only one member did not leave the band voluntarily. Dennis DeYoung.

#4 is the point at which all the arguments, speculations, facts, fiction, semi-truths, truths, radiate out like spokes on a wheel and proceed to go ‘round and ‘round certainly on this Styx board.

I guess we all need to have at it occasionally and then calm down and talk about other things for awhile.

The love the fans of this band have brings out both the worst, and the best, in a lot of them. And apparently always will.

Bugsy

Well said, Bugs. I, for one, have nothing of substance to add.

Well said Bugsy!! I agree.

I just wanted to add that I really enjoy the posts on here. This is a fun board with a lot of great people!! We might not always agree on everything, if we did, then it would be boring on here

I hope you all have a great day!!

With the possible exception of item #1, I whole heartedly agree and I think it's intelligently well put.

(Not to be a jerk, but the thing about #1 is the Panozzo twins HAD a band they were rehearsing in thewir basement with, when DeYoung approached them and wouynd up replacing the 1st accordionist).

Well I agree with what was written. Although I was always under the impression that the Panozzos didn't have a band when Dennis joined them, just that they were jamming with the unknown accordion guy. Now I fully acknowledge I could be wrong on that one.

Sadie

(Not to be a jerk, but the thing about #1 is the Panozzo twins HAD a band they were rehearsing in thewir basement with, when DeYoung approached them and wouynd up replacing the 1st accordionist).

Not a jerky thing to say at ALL Adam, LOL. The reason I stated that as fact is, Dennis asked the Panozzo twins to his house and the three of them set up the band that was to eventually become Styx.

Had that event not occurred, Dennis may have gone in a different direction with different guys. The Panozzos may have continued on with accordion player #1 and done something else entirely.

The basis of the band Styx was formed, though, by the three guys, Dennis, John, and Chuck, when they gathered at DDY's house and began their music (however tiny at that point) careers.

Bugsy

1. A core group of three young men formed the starting point of the band that would become Styx. Dennis DeYoung and John and Chuck Panozzo.

True and none of those 3 are in the band today
In my world that means that band does not egsist

2. The band was already in place with additional members James Young and John Curulewsi when the name Styx was agreed upon by all members.

By todays standards thats = to the James Young Group

3. Three members left the band voluntarily. John Curulewski, Tommy Shaw and Glen Burtnik.

And 2 were asked back
1 sold his rights to his music to another member and he was still asked back.

4. Only one member did not leave the band voluntarily. Dennis DeYoung.

And how right was that?
Still not asked back he's not sick anymore ready to tour
There current piano player fell down they need a replacement

I would add that the real issues within the band surfaced in 1983/84 with the end of the Kilroy Tour. Although it was never brought to the public's attention. The Reunion appeared that time heals all wounds, but in reality brought their issues to the forefront with Behind the Music being the culminating event.

It still breaks down to these guys made great music together. NONE of them have had the same success since they parted ways. And in the end, their musical tastes grew in different directions.

They all appear to be happy with what they are doing now.

styxfanNH wrote:I would add that the real issues within the band surfaced in 1983/84 with the end of the Kilroy Tour. Although it was never brought to the public's attention. The Reunion appeared that time heals all wounds, but in reality brought their issues to the forefront with Behind the Music being the culminating event.

Really what issues Tom's cocaine addiction
Did that resurface?
Im mean if the wounds from the past came back it must have been Toms drug problem because that was the only thing other than nobody in the band liking Kilroy that broke them up.
Is that what you are saying
I loved the Kilroy tour thought it was great
Its a shame we had a drug addict who could not make it to band rehearsals back then because he was snowblind.
Lets put fair blame were its belongs,

Pete Best ? no....that was the Beatles 1st drummer....

Peter Gabriel ? no, he was Genesis 1st singer.

Gerald Ford ? no, he was Ronald Reagans 1st choice to be Vice President in 1980.

I give up....who is the unlucky guy ?

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Trivia: Can anyone name the first accordion player that was practicing with the Panozzo brothers before Dennis?

Weird Al?

Didn't Tommy Lee start out as an accordian player? (Seriously) I think he said as much in one of those Behind the Music episodes.

Scott

good post-ERIC

classicstyxfan wrote:Gerald Ford ? no, he was Ronald Reagans 1st choice to be Vice President in 1980.

Gerald Ford was Richard Nixon's vice president. Then became president when Nixon resigned. And he ran against Ronald Reagan and lost.

froy wrote:
True and none of those 3 are in the band today
In my world that means that band does not egsist

egsist? that's a new one.

I saw Chuck playing in the band up at the Wisconsin Dells.

kansas666 wrote:

classicstyxfan wrote:Gerald Ford ? no, he was Ronald Reagans 1st choice to be Vice President in 1980.

Gerald Ford was Richard Nixon's vice president. Then became president when Nixon resigned. And he ran against Ronald Reagan and lost.

Nope not against Reagan. Ford lost to Jimmy Carter.

Sadie

kansas666 wrote:egsist? that's a new one.

Actually, he used that one the other day.

Dave,

Actually , the Reagan camp had serious discussions with Ford after clinching the republican nomination about being his VP....it didnt work out, and Reagan eventually chose George H.W. Bush as his running mate.

I wonder who would be president today if Ford had said yes to Reagan ?

classicstyxfan wrote:Dave,

Actually , the Reagan camp had serious discussions with Ford after clinching the republican nomination about being his VP....it didnt work out, and Reagan eventually chose George H.W. Bush as his running mate.

I wonder who would be president today if Ford had said yes to Reagan ?

I have a news paper Sun Times that say's Its Reagan and Ford
Which was quickly withdrawn

1. A core group of three young men formed the starting point of the band that would become Styx. Dennis DeYoung and John and Chuck Panozzo.

FROY: True and none of those 3 are in the band today
In my world that means that band does not egsist

ADAM: You’re right. The Tradewinds/TW4 have long since ceased appearing. They no longer egsist, sister!

Quote: 3. Three members left the band voluntarily. John Curulewski, Tommy Shaw and Glen Burtnik.

FROY: And 2 were asked back
1 sold his rights to his music to another member and he was still asked back.

ADAM: And what’s the problem? For your information Froy, guess who ELSE sold his rights to the band? Starts with a “D” and ends with a “eYoung”…

Quote:4. Only one member did not leave the band voluntarily. Dennis DeYoung.
FROY: And how right was that? Still not asked back he's not sick anymore ready to tour

ADAM: Well, while the band was waiting for DeYoung’s unknown, unnamed illness to go away (by the way, how long does it take for unknown, unnamed illnesses to heal?) DeYoung took them to Court. This created a problem.

Say you were married. Then your spouse hired an attorney and sued your ass for divorce. Then – after you were forced to go through the process of hiring an attorney – your spouse signs an agreement with you ending the relationship. The divorce is final. Would you instantly jump back into bed? Only a fool would.

styxfanNH: They all appear to be happy with what they are doing now.
ADAM: Amen. The truth shall set you free, Froy.

FROY: Really what issues Tom's cocaine addiction Did that resurface?
Im mean if the wounds from the past came back it must have been Toms drug problem because that was the only thing other than nobody in the band liking Kilroy that broke them up. Is that what you are saying
I loved the Kilroy tour thought it was great
Its a shame we had a drug addict who could not make it to band rehearsals back then because he was snowblind.
Lets put fair blame were its belongs,

ADAM: That’s silly. FYI, I have it on good authority that the DeYoungs smoke pot. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s very likely true. Take it or leave it. Furthermore WHAT DOES IT MATTER? It’s nobody’s business. Tommy has been sober for YEARS – and that’s nobody’s business either. What are we, the morality police?

And maybe YOU liked the Kilroy tour but it was the last straw for the band. DeYoung had finally succeeded in leading the band into the quagmire. He fired their manager, he took over, he spent a million bucks of the band's money on a movie that featured HIM, and he insisted on touring in small theaters, so the profit was minimized - if at all.

Maybe YOU liked it Froy, but the band sure didn't. And it led to the thing you hate most: the break up and the moving on.

[quote="Adam"]





ADAM: That’s silly. FYI, I have it on good authority that the DeYoungs smoke pot. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s very likely true. Take it or leave it. Furthermore WHAT DOES IT MATTER? It’s nobody’s business. Tommy has been sober for YEARS – and that’s nobody’s business either. What are we, the morality police?

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Smoking Pot will ruin your voice. Although I do not know what Dennis or his wife does, I find it hard to belive he would do anything to ruin his voice. And he still has a voice-ERIC

I spend 5 years smoking herb every single day and my voice was perfectly fine thoughout it all - fine enough to helm two short-lived coverbands (Queen and Judas Priest) so that blows that BS out of the water. Alas, as the 90s wore on, something else killed my voice to the point where I can barely sing a lick anymore - Camel Non-Filters!

DDY and coffin nails don't mix and never did.

FROY: Really what issues Tom's cocaine addiction Did that resurface?
Im mean if the wounds from the past came back it must have been Toms drug problem because that was the only thing other than nobody in the band liking Kilroy that broke them up. Is that what you are saying
I loved the Kilroy tour thought it was great
Its a shame we had a drug addict who could not make it to band rehearsals back then because he was snowblind.
Lets put fair blame were its belongs,

ADAM: That’s silly. FYI, I have it on good authority that the DeYoungs smoke pot. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s very likely true. Take it or leave it. Furthermore WHAT DOES IT MATTER? It’s nobody’s business. Tommy has been sober for YEARS – and that’s nobody’s business either. What are we, the morality police?

Yes, Froy is the morality police. But how quaint is it that whenever Froy puts his Dr. Righteous wardrobe on, he has the gall to say something like:

True and none of those 3 are in the band today
In my world that means that band does not exist

... and thus remove all doubt as to where his own sins lie?

BEHOLD - TOMMY SHAW, THE COKEHEAD!
BEHOLD - FROY, THE IDOLATOR!

You would think that birds of a feather would flock together ... holding hands as JY rows the ferry on the river Styx, eh?

[quote="PsychoSy"]I spend 5 years smoking herb every single day and my voice was perfectly fine thoughout it all - fine enough to helm two short-lived coverbands (Queen and Judas Priest) so that blows that BS out of the water. Alas, as the 90s wore on, something else killed my voice to the point where I can barely sing a lick anymore - Camel Non-Filters!

DDY and coffin nails don't mix and never did. ]

Any type of smoking will eventually kill the voice. While I believe they all did at one point smoke the stuff, I highly doubt he does now. Non-filtered Camels, that's brave to say the least!

Peace,

Sadie

Thank you Sadie, pot or no filtered camels, about the same!-ERIC

While I believe they all did at one point smoke the stuff, I highly doubt he does now.

Can't imagine a band that sang Light Up doing such a thing

I think it depends on the person. Some people can smoke like Denis Leary in a maternity ward and still manage to sound great. Freddie Mercury is a perfect example -- he was lighting those Marlboros up until he tested positive for HIV in the mid 80s. I don't recall ever seeing DDY with a cigarette ... but I do recall him mentioning that everyone in the band (including himself) would flare up those hooters on a regular basis. Apparently, both Tommy and Johnny took their substance abuse to the next level (Tommy with cocaine and Johnny with booze).

Anyone see Paul McCartney at the Superbowl? He's been smoking pot since Dennis DeYoung even knew he coud sing...And I think that guy practically INVENTED great white rock vocals.

But Dennis could never no wrong like Tommy Shaw, right?

Adam wrote:Anyone see Paul McCartney at the Superbowl? He's been smoking pot since Dennis DeYoung even knew he coud sing...And I think that guy practically INVENTED great white rock vocals.

But Dennis could never no wrong like Tommy Shaw, right?

Once again, I'll say it. I do believe Dennis and the others smoked pot back in the day. I do not think he does now. As for Tommy, I think it's great that Tommy was able to conquer his addiction. Dennis isn't a saint. So tell us, where is your "good authority" that Dennis, or any of them for that matter still indulge?

Sadie

in the scheme of anything, does it really matter whether he did or didn't inhale?

None of us know one way or the other. Tommy is open about his use back in the day and is clean now. I would guess that they all probably are.