OT - New Foreigner Line Up

[styxfanNH]

NEW FOREIGNER LINE-UP REVEALED?:
Several people have e-mailed this week regarding various Foreigner live dates that have begun appearing online. Is it Lou Gramm being billed as Foreigner by promoters? No...it's Mick Jones' new band line-up, which is yet to be made official, but bassist Jeff Pilson has just talked of the new line-up.
It looks like Foreigner 2005 will feature: Mick Jones on guitar, Jeff Pilson on bass, Jason Bonham on drums, Kelly Hansen on vocals (Hurricane, Perfect World, Heaven & Earth) and Jeff Jacobs on keyboards. More news soon!

Any Opinions?

[classicstyxfan]

It's not Forgeiner to me without Lou's voice......

[froy]

It's not Forgeiner to me without Lou's voice......

Why its Supposedly Styx without Dennis 's voice
Here we go again,

[classicstyxfan]

Froy,

To me........it isn't the Styx that I love most w/o Dennis.

BUT the difference here is that Lou did ALL of the lead vocals for Forgiener, where Dennis split the duties and the songwriting chores with Tommy and to a lesser extent JY.

To me, it's not Journey without Steve Perry either, no matter how good of an imitation Augieri does.

Interestingly enough, it IS Pink Floyd to me without Roger Waters.....

This is all about personal preference, no more, no less, and I can understand and respect the opinions of those who disagree with me about any of these situations.

[froy]

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quote="classicstyxfan"]Froy,

To me........it isn't the Styx that I love most w/o Dennis.

BUT the difference here is that Lou did ALL of the lead vocals for Forgiener, where Dennis split the duties and the songwriting chores with Tommy and to a lesser extent JY.

To me, it's not Journey without Steve Perry either, no matter how good of an imitation Augieri does.

Interestingly enough, it IS Pink Floyd to me without Roger Waters.....

This is all about personal preference, no more, no less, and I can understand and respect the opinions of those who disagree with me about any of these situations.

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This is interesting Floyd without Waters is Floyd wow
I agree Foreigner is not Foreigner without Lou
Styx is not Styx without Dennis dont forget he shared vocals with out a problem no other band next to the Beatles did that

[Abitaman]

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quote="classicstyxfan"]Froy,

To me........it isn't the Styx that I love most w/o Dennis.

BUT the difference here is that Lou did ALL of the lead vocals for Forgiener, where Dennis split the duties and the songwriting chores with Tommy and to a lesser extent JY.

To me, it's not Journey without Steve Perry either, no matter how good of an imitation Augieri does.

Interestingly enough, it IS Pink Floyd to me without Roger Waters.....

This is all about personal preference, no more, no less, and I can understand and respect the opinions of those who disagree with me about any of these situations.

This is interesting Floyd without Waters is Floyd wow
I agree Foreigner is not Foreigner without Lou
Styx is not Styx without Dennis dont forget he shared vocals with out a problem no other band next to the Beatles did that[/quote]


It is Styx without Dennis, just not my favorite line up of the band. They have moved on for better or worse, but it is Styx. I think it's for the better, because both Styx and Dennis and in their own fieid, doing what they love best! Would love to see the Big 3 back together in the group, but I am not waiting for it.
Journey the same, they have moved on, and IT IS for the better! Steve Perry is (was) the voice of rock, but he don't want to play no more. Neal did a good job picking a replacement, some may argue Kevin Chalfant or Hugo would have been a better pick, and I felt that way at first, but Augeri is awesome! Give him a chance!!!!!
Foreigner can hope to be that lucky. Styx has a atvantage by having 3 singers. Sure LArrry is no Dennis on the pipes, but he isn't bad. He is awesome on the keys, and a great performer. Journey and Foreigner, both had one singer Perry and Lou. Both have voices that you can tell from the first note who they are! Styx could always fall back on the others, but not JNRY or FRNR. JRNY picked Augeri who can sould like Perry, but still has his own place in the music. FRNR tried it once with Johnny Edwards on Unusal Heat, which is my favorite album by them! But the crowd didn't take to it, even though Johnny was great on it, but he is not Lou (I would have loved for Johnny to come back)! So FRNR has got to be cardfull of who they picked, like Styx they are going to get negative feedback, from people who are scared of change. Change is good, but not always for the best. But when things are at a stand still, you have to change or die in your own do-do (crap for those who don't have kids).
FRNR had some good choices Brain Howe of Bad Company and Kevin Chalfant of JRNY/Storm/707/Two Fire expressed intreset. I do not know who this guy on vocal is, but I wish him luck, and hope he is given a fair chance, by the fan base.-ERIC

[Adam]

FROY: Styx is not Styx without Dennis dont forget he shared vocals with out a problem no other band next to the Beatles did that

ADAM: Right. You're so bloody right as usual, Froy. With the minor exceptions of little known groups such as Crosby Stills Nash and Young
And there was The Eagles (SIX LEAD SINGERS! Henley, Frey, Walsh, Leadon, Shmidt, Meisner)
Oh yeah, Chicago (SIX! Cetera, Lamm, Kath, Bill Champlin, Jason Scheff, Keith Howland)
and Fleetwood Mac (FIVE different singers)
oh and Supertramp
& The Doobie Brothers (THREE)
& Van Halen
Manfred Man
The Hollies
Even Yes (Jon Anderson, Trevor Horn and Trevor Rabin)

God, I hate it when Froy's right. He's always right.

[froy]

ADAM: Right. You're so bloody right as usual, Froy. With the minor exceptions of little known groups such as Crosby Stills Nash and Young

The point is Adam you goof Styx started with Dennis as lead singer CSNY started with all 4 sharing
If Dennis was such a control freak he would have not allowed anyone to take lead, He let Shaw take lead without a problem. He let Jy take lead without a problem.

And there was The Eagles (SIX LEAD SINGERS! Henley, Frey, Walsh, Leadon, Shmidt, Meisner)

Again thats how the band started

Oh yeah, Chicago (SIX! Cetera, Lamm, Kath, Bill Champlin, Jason Scheff, Keith Howland)

And again

and Fleetwood Mac (FIVE different singers)

I only count 3 the first Fleetwood Mac did not count

oh and Supertramp

Oh and they started with 2 lead singers oh
Roger and Rick started the band or did you forget that?

Even Yes (Jon Anderson, Trevor Horn and Trevor Rabin)

There was never a YES with Trevor Horn Jon Anderson and Trevor Rabin on the same stage at the same time OH

God, I hate it when Froy's right. He's always right.

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Don't use the lords name in vein please.

[Adam]

I’m in a mood here, people. Forgive me…

Froy: The point is Adam you goof Styx started with Dennis as lead singer CSNY started with all 4 sharing

Adam: A) The point of this thread is nothing of the sort (it's FOREIGNER knucklehead!). B) So you’re saying that Styx was entirely a one-guy-lead-vocalist band. You’re acting as if Curlweski and JY lead vocals never happened.

BlackWall: it's obvious, as I'm sure everyone knows, that J.Y. was originally the lead singer

Adam: Froy chooses to see Styx as a one-guy-lead-vocalist band, which DeYoung “ALLOWED” others to sing on HIS discs. All those Tommy Shaw songs…the EOTC Burtnik…the JY & JC songs…they don't matter.

Furthermore, if all that ‘counts’ is the lineup of a band when it began, then Deja Vu by CSN&Y is counterfeit because Neil Young joined the band AFTER their 1st album hit.

Froy: the first Fleetwood Mac did not count

Adam: GULP! Boy, I’m amazed at how you so flippantly disregard not only such big recordings, but also historically important lineups.

You must be a very significant rock historian. You must think your ass weighs a ton. You have all of the diplomacy of a rock critic (that special breed who’ve always spit on Styx).

I would pay to see you tell a couple of Peter Green & Bob Welch fans that pre-Lindsay Buckingham Mac “did not count”. Froy & Carlos Santa in a room together (ever heard of a little song named “Black Magic Woman” Froy?).

Froy: There was never a YES with Trevor Horn Jon Anderson and Trevor Rabin on the same stage at the same time.

Adam: And what’s your point? There never was a Styx with Both Panozzos, DeYoung, Shaw & JY together on stage after the early 80s. There never was a Styx with Curlweski, Burtnik & Sucherman together. And there never was a Styx with Shaw, Burtnik & DeYoung together either. This means that, to your way of thinking, “Love At First Sight” and “Show Me The Way” weren’t Styx records...that anything Todd has played on is phony Styx.

My thesis, once again people, is that with Froy, it ain’t about the music. It’s about the era in music which corresponds with Froy’s puberty.

I say if we all fiercely cling to the past and nothing BUT the past, we are closed minded imbeciles. That’s head-in-the-sand artistic conservativism in excess. It’s practically ANTI-MUSIC! And it makes you grow old and stubborn quicker.

It’s been what – six years? The present-day Styx refuses to die, Froy, just as the previous 3 or 4 incarnations.

And one more point, you’re opinion really isn’t anymore important than anyone else’s, by the way.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Wasn't Jeff Pilson with Dokken??

I don't know a lot about the band Foreigner, but isn't Mick Jones the only from the band and he's touring as Foreigner?

Below are the current line-up Foreigner dates. Hey, Classic, you want to meet at the Jefferson County Fair in July??? I'll give these guys a listen.

Foreigner Dates
March 11 Boulder Station Las Vegas, NV
March 12 Ostrich Festival Chandler, AZ
March 13 House of Blues Anaheim, CA
March 26 Route 66 Casino Albuquerque, NM
June 6 Turning Stone Casino Verona, NY
June 8 Charity Show-Cipriani New York, NY
June 21 San Diego County Fair San Diego, CA
June 22 Concert at Wente Vineyard Livermore, CA
June 24 Flaming Gorge Days Green River, WY
July 16 Jefferson County Fair Jefferson, WI
August 6 Art & Jazz FestivalSterling Height, MI
August 17 Josephine County Fair Grants Pass, OR
August 18 The Oregon Gardens Silverton, OR
August 30 Nebraska State Fair Lincoln, NE
September 16 Kansas State Fair Hutchinson, KS
September 18 2005 Harrah’s Casino Escondido, CA

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Sorry guys, I can't add fuel to this fire of the thread. I don't really care for the music of CSN&Y or CS&N, or Fleetwood Mac or Pink Floyd or Yes or Doobie Bros. or Chicago or the Beatles - LOL So it doesn't matter to me who is included in the ever changing line-ups But I do enjoy reading all your opinions on these bands, I'm learning a lot.

Just thought I'd add my .02cents

Ohhhh, but I did see Journey last summer and really enjoyed the concert. I thought Steve A. was really good and I was impressed with Deen (sp?) singing too. Great concert

[froy]

I’m in a mood here, people. Forgive me…

Just make sure your kids are not watching .

Adam: A) The point of this thread is nothing of the sort (it's FOREIGNER knucklehead!).

Who cares what the point of the thread is
The point was made that you could not compare Foreigner to Styx because they had 1 lead singer and I said Styx had 1 lead singer to start and Dennis had no problem sharing the role.

B) So you’re saying that Styx was entirely a one-guy-lead-vocalist band.

Im saying that they were a one guy lead band in the begining the only songs radio played were Dennis songs never JY songs in the early days
It was a Dennis song Lady that broke the band
You would think any other singer would not share lead roles after that.

You’re acting as if Curlweski and JY lead vocals never happened.

They happened but not on the radio.

BlackWall: it's obvious, as I'm sure everyone knows, that J.Y. was originally the lead singer

He sang lead on some songs YES but he was not the radio friendly guy
Dennis was.

Adam: Froy chooses to see Styx as a one-guy-lead-vocalist band, which DeYoung “ALLOWED” others to sing on HIS discs.

Nobody said allowed I said he had no problem with it
Look at YES you think Anderson would share lead with the classic YES band No chance.
In 80 with Horn he quit the band so Horn took over
With Rabin he was not in the band until the end of the project .

All those Tommy Shaw songs…the EOTC Burtnik…the JY & JC songs…they don't matter.

Not the issue.

Furthermore, if all that ‘counts’ is the lineup of a band when it began, then Deja Vu by CSN&Y is counterfeit because Neil Young joined the band AFTER their 1st album hit.

Not the issue/

Froy: the first Fleetwood Mac did not count

Adam: GULP! Boy, I’m amazed at how you so flippantly disregard not only such big recordings, but also historically important lineups.

Now swallow Adam your good at that and i will say it again the First Fleetwood mac lineup did not count/

You must be a very significant rock historian.

Been to about 60 Styx shows with Dennis as the leader
Have seen McCartney about 12 times
Elton about 15 times
Journey about 30 times
ELO with Lynne about 4 times
Supertramp about 5 times
Neil Diamond about 25 times
ACDC about 5 times
Genesis about 10 times
YES about 30 times
I know more about the music buisness and concerts than you will ever know ,

You have all of the diplomacy of a rock critic (that special breed who’ve always spit on Styx).

The only people spitting on STYX and there fans is Jim Young and Tom Shaw/

My thesis, once again people, is that with Froy, it ain’t about the music. It’s about the era in music which corresponds with Froy’s puberty.

When you hit yours let us know.

I say if we all fiercely cling to the past and nothing BUT the past, we are closed minded imbeciles.

Tell that the the millions of people who go see Elton Paul Neil Diamond and U2 the only imbecile is you who STYX up for a band who sells 65 percent of a 1200 seater,

That’s head-in-the-sand artistic conservativism in excess. It’s practically ANTI-MUSIC! And it makes you grow old and stubborn quicker.

Are you done yet ?
Wipe up/

It’s been what – six years? The present-day Styx refuses to die, Froy, just as the previous 3 or 4 incarnations.

Its been 6 years and the band is down to about 900 fans
Keep dreamin this dream wont come true.
Take that poster of JY off your wall/

And one more point, you’re opinion really isn’t anymore important than anyone else’s, by the way.

It keeps you comming back
Still in the MOOD?

[classicstyxfan]

Hey Suite,

Jefferson County in July sounds like fun.......I'll be there if I'm working by then......the Lyrics to Blue Collar Man have a lot more meaning to me these days, but I still have some prospects/hope that I am working on.

Being unemployed is a truly humbling experience...any arrogance I had about people lining up to hire me has long since passed.

[sadie65]

Hey Suite,

Jefferson County in July sounds like fun.......I'll be there if I'm working by then......the Lyrics to Blue Collar Man have a lot more meaning to me these days, but I still have some prospects/hope that I am working on.

Being unemployed is a truly humbling experience...any arrogance I had about people lining up to hire me has long since passed.

Keep the faith. I sincerely hope things improve for you Classic. Fingers crossed (though that makes typing a bit difficult) that you find new employment soon.

[ek88]

Just out of curiosity, classic, what is your profession, or preferred choice of occupation? Also wishing you the best in being gainfully employed in the immediate future!

[bugsymalone]

Hang in there, Classic! You have demonstrated your sparkling personality on this board, so SOMEone, SOMEwhere is going to recognize this and hire you right away!

The best of luck to you

Bugsy

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Classic, I hope everything works out for you, soon!!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you

[classicstyxfan]

Thanks to all for the kind words........My field is Marketing, and it's kind of a crowded one in South Central Wisconsin. Lands End just laid off about 500 workers, and my former company just dissolved all of the jobs in my former department. Trying to "keep the faith" at this point, but my Unemployment benefits are already half used up.

"Long nights and impossible hours" could be more than just a lyric if things dont change. But enough about that.......back to the Styx chat !

[ek88]

He sang lead on some songs YES but he was not the radio friendly guy.
Dennis was.

Its been 6 years and the band is down to about 900 fans

a band who sells 65 percent of a 1200 seater

You know, froy, sometimes it's easy to think that Styx' airplay, popularity, and fanbase appealed to you more than the music. I know that's not true, but you sure come off that way sometimes.

[BlackWall]

I'm not a huge fan of Foreigner, but didn't Mick Jones basically write all the songs? Lou has always been the voice(except for one album, I think), but if Mick wrote all the songs, and there for some reason is a clash between the two, shouldn't he be able to get someone else to do vocals? I don't know.. I'm not really sure how I feel about this one. Even though I'm not a huge fan, I wouldn't really want to hear someone else doing those songs, even though Lou didn't write them..

As for Styx, I'm not really sure what the point is, it's an entirely different situation.. The band originally had three singers, and each one more or less wrote their own material, or at least wrote the majority of a song that they would sing lead on(yes, I know this wasn't always the case).

As for who the original lead was, my impression from the first album would be that J.Y. was the choice.. No, J.Y. didn't have any real commercial success, but that doesn't mean they didn't try. "You Need Love" and possibly "I'm Gonna Make You Feel It" were singles from "Styx II", they just didn't go anywhere on the charts. So, it's not so much like Dennis decided to let J.Y. have some songs, I think it's more like J.Y. had to step away once "Lady" became their first smash hit.

[Abitaman]

Mick did write all the songs on every cd except maybe one on each. Lou co-wrote some of the songs with Mick, but Mick was the main writer. Mick did carry on without Lou when thwy had a disagreement before. It was on the cd Unusal Heat, and Johnny Edwarrds was awesome on vocals, only problem he really didn't sound a lot like Lou, and I think that hurt them. If Steve Augere didn't sound like Steve Perry, that would hurt Journey. But Johhny did a great job, but without that Lou sound, that hurt them.-ERIC

[classicstyxfan]

Eric,

You make the point I originally made, but you backed it up where I did not........

so I say, YEAH ! WHAT HE SAID !!!!!!!!