MR

For my 1,000th post, here's what I think would be a most interesting topic......

Did you ever wonder what DDY would say if there were no gag order
as a result of the settlement of the lawsuit ? OR BETTER YET, if you could read his mind regarding what he REALLY thinks about JY, Tommy or any of the other members of the band ?

For you "DeYoungians" perhaps it's what he thinks, but has too much class to ever actually say in public ! so, don't post that he has too much class....you'll ruin the spirit of the thread!!!

What would he say about Cyclorama if truth serum was injected into his veins ?

I'd invite anyone here to post a question(s) to DDY and how you think he would answer. I'll be back to try my hand at it in a bit......

About Cyclorama, he probably thinks it's a decent disc, or has decent moments, but wouldn't consider it a STYX album because A) It doesn't SOUND the way he likes it B) He's not there C) "Whose Lawrence?"

I think Dennis felt there was NO way the band would EVER go out and tour without him. Up until 1999 he felt he was the straw that stirred Styx. He was the ONE member that was 100% unreplaceable. I am sure he also felt there was absolutely NO way there could EVER be a new Styx record without that signiture Dennis Deyoung voice on it.

Today, I am sure he burdens most of the blame that he is no longer in the band. I believe him 100% about his light sensitivity, but I also feel that he must feel that if he was more of a team player Tommy, JY & even Chuck for that matter would of never left him behind when they first went out in 1999.

He may resent Tommy, JY, Chuck, Glen, and even Todd but I feel deep down he must believe that had he not been so head strong in soo many of his beliefs that he would still be in Styx. Its lonely at the top and maybe he feels he should of let Tommy or even JY up on that perch a little more. Maybe he feels that he should of even let them make more of the business decisions pertaining to Styx. Personally, I feel he DID spread the wealth around, and did allow everyone to shine. He did this better than Tommy does now.

As for Cyclorama I bet he has listened to it, probably likes some of the songs, feels he is being blasted in others. He also feels it is NO WAY a true Styx CD since he is not on it.

The one member I think Dennis probably does not resent is Lawerence. I really believe he respects him as an artist. Hes the one guy I have NEVER heard Dennis slam, or even talk about negatively.

Finally, I dont know a hell of alot about the VW commercial. Only what Froy states. If there is truth to it, I would bet Dennis started out by believing that 'he carried these guys long enough, they hated this song anyways, and that I will take all the royalties for this song.' 'Since they hated Roboto and Kilroy was my idea why should I grease these bums pockets anymore than I already have'. In hindsight I bet Dennis now feels this(Kilroy/ Roboto money grab) was a BIG mistake and led to his being let go from the band.

First of all, HAPPY 1000th, Classic! A big Homer Simpson Woo HOO! for you!

Second, Yogi made some valid points there. Some probably hit very close to home.

Lastly, I think Dennis loved his band more than almost anything else besides his family and his hometown. I believe it hurts him deeply every day that he is not still a part of it.

He certainly cannot go back and remake the past. He can only look forward and in many ways, that is what he seems to be doing.

Under his leadership, and with the partnership and contributions of all the members, this band achieved what VERY few bands or artists ever achieve. Of this, he can be justly proud.

Bugsy

I'd be surprised if he's listened to Cyclorama. Of course, he may have already heard demos of a couple of the songs at some point in time. IF he's listened to it, then he's a bigger person than me. In his shoes, I don't think I'd want to hear one note of it.

yogi wrote: The one member I think Dennis probably does not resent is Lawerence. I really believe he respects him as an artist. Hes the one guy I have NEVER heard Dennis slam, or even talk about negatively.

I have heard him criticize Larry in a radio interview. He saidsomething to the effect that, "Did you hear the guy they hired to sing my songs? He's awful"

the interview was just a couple of months ago.

bugsymalone wrote:Lastly, I think Dennis loved his band more than almost anything else besides his family and his hometown. I believe it hurts him deeply every day that he is not still a part of it.

And I believe this is part of the issue. From Dennis' point of view it was HIS band and everyone else felt it was THEIR band.

styxfanNH wrote:

yogi wrote: The one member I think Dennis probably does not resent is Lawerence. I really believe he respects him as an artist. Hes the one guy I have NEVER heard Dennis slam, or even talk about negatively.

I have heard him criticize Larry in a radio interview. He saidsomething to the effect that, "Did you hear the guy they hired to sing my songs? He's awful"

the interview was just a couple of months ago.

Not quite. They played him a karaoke singer singing a Styx song. He said "is that the guy they hired to replace me"? The singer was pretty bad, so I can see how it looks as an insult.

Peace

I think he probably has listened to Cyclorama. I think Yogi's assessment is probably accurate.

I think each one of them including Dennis thought/thinks it was HIS band, and at the same time thought/thinks it was THEIR band. Power corrupts and power isolates. And rebellion does not always bring peace to those rebelling.

I think if any of them were asked about their feelings, including Dennis, they would probably point out more that was good than what was bad. Time and distance are great educators.

That being said, long live the music, and may they all continue to brighten our lives with it.

Peace

Dennis, I think, believes (hopes) that one day he maybe asked to come back to Styx. thou I like the way things are not, except for Dennis never coming to my area. At least with Styx I would get to see him-ERIC

Classic, congratulations on your 1,000 post

Um, I'm pretty sure Mr. DeYoung heard the Carrot cd.

Bugsy says:

Lastly, I think Dennis loved his band more than almost anything else besides his family and his hometown. I believe it hurts him deeply every day that he is not still a part of it.

Yes, this is true, very true.

Sadie says:

I think each one of them including Dennis thought/thinks it was HIS band, and at the same time thought/thinks it was THEIR band. Power corrupts and power isolates. And rebellion does not always bring peace to those rebelling.
I think if any of them were asked about their feelings, including Dennis, they would probably point out more that was good than what was bad. Time and distance are great educators.
That being said, long live the music, and may they all continue to brighten our lives with it.

I can't even add to her comments, she hit it right on the head.

Yogi says:

I think Dennis felt there was NO way the band would EVER go out and tour without him. Up until 1999 he felt he was the straw that stirred Styx. He was the ONE member that was 100% unreplaceable. I am sure he also felt there was absolutely NO way there could EVER be a new Styx record without that signiture Dennis Deyoung voice on it.

Yes very true and also the Producer of the later Styx albums

Yogi says:

Today, I am sure he burdens most of the blame that he is no longer in the band. I believe him 100% about his light sensitivity, but I also feel that he must feel that if he was more of a team player Tommy, JY & even Chuck for that matter would of never left him behind when they first went out in 1999.

I don't know if he burdens most of the blame. His light sensitivity is 100% true, I will argue with anyone about this. Ask the other guys who the last band member in the studio was late at night? Who spent more time working on the albums? I know they'd say Dennis.

Yogi says:

He may resent Tommy, JY, Chuck, Glen, and even Todd but I feel deep down he must believe that had he not been so head strong in soo many of his beliefs that he would still be in Styx. Its lonely at the top and maybe he feels he should of let Tommy or even JY up on that perch a little more. Maybe he feels that he should of even let them make more of the business decisions pertaining to Styx. Personally, I feel he DID spread the wealth around, and did allow everyone to shine. He did this better than Tommy does now.

He did spread some of the wealth around, especially times that he didn't have too. Yogi must've talked to someone You need someone "head strong" in the band to make decisions. It's better to have someone be a "leader" than everyone in the studio shrugging their shoulders on what to do next. Ask any band.

As for Mr. Roboto, I thought Tommy hated it so much. Why is he wearing the original Roboto t-shirt at the concerts? Things that make me go hmmm? LOL

I hope you all have a great day!!

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Yogi says:

I feel he DID spread the wealth around, and did allow everyone to shine. He did this better than Tommy does now.

As for Mr. Roboto, I thought Tommy hated it so much. Why is he wearing the original Roboto t-shirt at the concerts? Things that make me go hmmm? LOL

I'm not sure I agree with Yogi's comment. I believe Tommy does share the wealth. Each member of the band get's their moment in the spotlight.

Regarding Suite's comment about the Mr. Roboto T-shirt, that is just marketing. Regardless of how he feels, many of the fans like that song.

Now concerning Denny, it seems he is still very bitter. He made a comment in concert about the band he was recently a member of. I'm sorry, but it has been 6 years. In his interviews he constantly talks about "his" songs and "his" producing. I don't see that kind of possessiveness in interviews from the others. I can't help but think that he has heard Cyclorama. And I would bet money that he finds it very disturbing.

I can think of 2 songs specifically that are direct digs against him.

Burgois Pig is obvious and Killing the Thing that You Love has a couple of pretty big slams too.

Now don't go and say that the song was written before Glen was even in STYX. I know that. But Glen mentioned in an interview that some of the lyrics were changed for Cyclorama:

Once you walked so tall and handsome
Now nobody even wants you around
Now you’re just some kind of
Leftover clown
Now you’re like Quasi Modo crying

You plant plutonium silos
Then you blister from the sun that’s too bright
Like a vampire stepping into the light
Just a victim of your own greed as you
Look in the mirror


The references to his ego, Hunch Back and his light sensitivity are too obvious.

Maybe this has all been discussed before. But I haven't seen it brought up since I have been a member of this board.

Another note about Cyclorama, even though it wasn't "produced" by Denny, I think it still retains many of the elements that make it sound like STYX. The big harmonies are there. JY has his signature Rocker. And it is full of well written, well "produced" songs.

In his interviews he constantly talks about "his" songs and "his" producing.

Well, that's because those particular songs ARE his. And they WERE produced by him. He doesn't claim it for every Styx song. Only his songs

The references to his ego, Hunch Back and his light sensitivity are too obvious.

Maybe this has all been discussed before. But I haven't seen it brought up since I have been a member of this board

I know all of this was hashed out at great length on many boards. Arguments pro and con. The songs were written long before the breakup, yada, yada. That said, anyone who actually believes these songs were not included on Cyclocarrot as a direct slam at Dennis, well, I have a turnip truck you need to be riding on.

Ditto the inclusion of "I Don't Need No Doctor" on Covers.

Bugsy

kansas666 wrote:The references to his ego, Hunch Back and his light sensitivity are too obvious.

Maybe this has all been discussed before. But I haven't seen it brought up since I have been a member of this board.

That song (lyrics and everything) was written in 1994. The lyrics couldn't possibly be ABOUT Dennis, unless Glen and Bob Burger are psychic. Big coincidence, definitely. Did the band think some people might think it could be about Denniis? probably. Did they really care that much? Probably not. Are they guilty? I don't think so. it's a good song, IMO.

bugsymalone wrote:Ditto the inclusion of "I Don't Need No Doctor" on Covers.

Oh, good grief.

kansas666 wrote:Now concerning Denny, it seems he is still very bitter. He made a comment in concert about the band he was recently a member of. I'm sorry, but it has been 6 years. In his interviews he constantly talks about "his" songs and "his" producing.

Come on Kansas that is very lame
Ok what did he say in concert please tell us
I was at the show and can't wait to hear what he said
As far as interviews go listen to the Detroit interview that makes your statement look foolish,

I don't see that kind of possessiveness in interviews from the others.

I can think of 2 songs specifically that are direct digs against him.

Burgois Pig is obvious and Killing the Thing that You Love has a couple of pretty big slams too.

You said it all

Oh, good grief.

Sorry, there were no "accidents" or "coincidences" on any of the choices made for SOME (certainly NOT ALL) of the songs on both of these albums.

The turnip truck awaits.

Bugsy

Zan wrote:

bugsymalone wrote:Ditto the inclusion of "I Don't Need No Doctor" on Covers.

Oh, good grief.

Is there such a thing as bad grief?

SuiteMadameBlue: His light sensitivity is 100% true, I will argue with anyone about this. Ask the other guys who the last band member in the studio was late at night? Who spent more time working on the albums? I know they'd say Dennis.

Adam: Excuse me, but I don’t understand this statement. Is that some kinda voodoo logic I don’t get? What does one thing have to do with another? Are you under the impression that you’re proving something?

Ultimately, it’ll only boil down to who you tend to believe. You may wanna argue with anyone about the mysterious light-sensitivity malady, but you’ll never prove it by me. Allow me to say something that’ll cause some people here off…

I think that, on one hand, Dennis was/is a hypochondriac. He’s one of those squeamish clean freaks who dotes on matters of cleanliness, germs, etc., therefore I don’t believe there actually was an illness, and rather suspect it was a convenient excuse to get out of the roadwork he wanted to avoid. It was very likely the manipulation of a vigorously demanding, controlling and manipulative personality…

On the other hand, I also think that if someone BELIEVES they’re sick – even a hypochondriac – they pretty much ARE sick. It’s a psychosomatic illness. Hence, Dennis WAS ill.

I know my opinion might seem harsh. But it’s the way I see it. You can argue all you like, SuiteMadam. You “know” what you know and I “know” what I know.

However, I will say this: the WISEST thing I’ve read on this board was posted on this thread. Sadie wrote “Power corrupts and power isolates. And rebellion does not always bring peace to those rebelling.”

Sadie wins. This clearly and intelligently explains the dramatic split in Styx. Bravo Sadie. Big bingo there sister!

Adam wrote:SuiteMadameBlue: His light sensitivity is 100% true, I will argue with anyone about this. Ask the other guys who the last band member in the studio was late at night? Who spent more time working on the albums? I know they'd say Dennis.

Adam: Excuse me, but I don’t understand this statement.

Is this like excuse me I dont understand how to use the quotes feature?
Adam do us all a favor learn how to use this board .

Sadie wins. This clearly and intelligently explains the dramatic split in Styx. Bravo Sadie. Big bingo there sister!

Sadie is an astute observer of the human condition.


Bugsy

bugsymalone wrote:The turnip truck awaits.

As does your detective badge.

Bugsy: Well, that's because those particular songs ARE his. And they WERE produced by him. He doesn't claim it for every Styx song. Only his songs

Adam: Excuse me, but you're wrong here. Ask Froy or any other DeYoungian. Both Dennis AND his followers maintain that HE was the Producer, even before he was credited as such.

I post the way I like - I personally find it clearer, easier to understand. I apologize if anyone finds it annoying - I suspect most don't have a problem with it. Of course, our happy go-lucky-little friend Froy does.

There have been TOO MANY Froy posts with so much quoting and re-quoting that I got dizzy trying to decipher who was making which point and who was arguing.

Sue me. I crave definition and clarity.

Adam wrote:I post the way I like - I personally find it clearer, easier to understand. I apologize if anyone finds it annoying - I suspect most don't have a problem with it. Of course, our happy go-lucky-little friend Froy does.

There have been TOO MANY Froy posts with so much quoting and re-quoting that I got dizzy trying to decipher who was making which point and who was arguing.

Sue me. I crave definition and clarity.

Silly - you know the same rules don't apply to Froy! LOL

I like your quoting style - makes it seem like a comedy sketch.

Thanks, Zan. This board IS kinda like a comedy screenplay!

Who would play Froy in the movie? (The guy from Napoleon Dynamite?) Who would play YOU? Who'd play ANDREW?

I'd like to cast Brad Pitt for me...

How about Kirsten Dunst for Zan?

I may have a turnip truck or two in my back yard, but I can't remember anyone of the regular posters here questioning the light sensitivity issue with Dennis, well except for Adam now.

I also think in regards to the songs on Cyclorama that many of them are shots at Dennis in one form of another. If not in their entirety then in sections from here or there.

I also know most song writers write best when their is a true passion about an issue they feel strongly about. And we can all say that we all have a pretty good idea about what they felt about Styx without Dennis and the break up.

Once you walked so tall and handsome
Now nobody even wants you around
Now you’re just some kind of
Leftover clown
Now you’re like Quasi Modo crying

You plant plutonium silos
Then you blister from the sun that’s too bright
Like a vampire stepping into the light
Just a victim of your own greed as you
Look in the mirror

Purely out of curiousity, does anybody know what the original lyrics were for the above? Burtnik fans? Yogi? I'd like to compare, if possible.

froy wrote:

Adam wrote:SuiteMadameBlue: His light sensitivity is 100% true, I will argue with anyone about this. Ask the other guys who the last band member in the studio was late at night? Who spent more time working on the albums? I know they'd say Dennis.

Adam: Excuse me, but I don’t understand this statement.

Is this like excuse me I dont understand how to use the quotes feature?
Adam do us all a favor learn how to use this board .

"Lighten up Francis!" Stripes
Did I use it properly?