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What is the possibility that BBT could be use to evolve the Styx sound into a harder edged more traditional rock band and less of what we consider the STYX sound?

Covers with a Cyclo touch.
Of the tracks I recognize,none of them are ballads.Giddyup.
I probably won't like them all.But a nice tie over 'till next studio cd.
Well,it will be rock,but they cannot not sound like JY TS Styx.

What ever it is, I will buy it and give it a fair listen-ERIC

Styx totally evolved into a new sound the day Dennis was booted.

They do not sound anything like the band that had Dennis as a vocal centerpiece --- lead or harmonies.

This is an entirely new group with a couple of members from the classic days, in my estimation. They are just using the name Styx.

Don't mean to sound like Froy here, but the more I listen to the Glen lineup and the Ricky lineup, the more I feel this way.

I think they sound very good on a lot of songs. The covers CD sounds promising from the clips I heard. They simply do not sound like Styx anymore.


Bugsy

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I don’t know that many bands do still sound the same as they did 25 years ago. But as far as style goes I think some songs from Cyclorama sounded more true to the style and sound of classic Styx songs then anything on Brave New World. I think a lot of that had to do with the type of music DDY favors now compared to the songs he wrote in the 70’s. To me Tommy and JY’s writing styles are closer to what they wrote in the 70’s and Dennis’s style has gone in a much different direction.

To me Tommy and JY’s writing styles are closer to what they wrote in the 70’s

The songs are fine. They are sung and played very well. They just don't sound like Styx to me.

Bugsy

Bugsy, Did “Brave New World” sound like Styx to you?

To me the clips didn't indicate a harder edge than any of the other albums/cd's they've done. Just my opinion of course.

Peace

Without Dennis DeYoung... it ain't Styx.

Without Steve Perry... it ain't Journey. Even if you get a guy that sounds very similar.

Fortunately, Dennis is one of a kind or no doubt they'd have stooped to that level.

I really don't know what is so difficult to understand here.

When you have a nucleus of guys who make up a band and you change that nucleus - it ceases to be the same - no matter how good the new mix may be.

It's like a recipe for key lime pie. If you change one of the main ingredients to something else - it doesn't mean that it's not yummy and that you don't like it - but it's definitely not the same. It may look like key lime pie, it may taste a bit like key lime pie - but if you want to make key lime pie, you need to have all of the ingredients.

Mixes of people are no different. This group of people may be calling themselves Styx ... and they may be playing Styx songs, but to many of us who considered Dennis a key ingredient - then Styx simply doesn't taste the same as it used to.

In it's truest sense, none of us have had a piece of classic styx since 1984... and for people like me, I'll never get to experience what a piece of classic styx ever tasted like.

So please don't try to tell me how this is Styx or that is Styx. You can change the recipe for Styx and try to make it into what you want, but to those of us who enjoyed the taste of classic Styx, the new Styx may be good - but doesn't measure up.

(substitute Coca Cola for Key Lime Pie if you need another frame of reference)


Anybody want to go to lunch now? All this pie talk is making me hungry

Ash wrote:...You can change the recipe for Styx and try to make it into what you want, but to those of us who enjoyed the taste of classic Styx, the new Styx may be good - but doesn't measure up....

What She Said! To me it's not so much that they don't sound good, it's just not the same and never will be.

EE

So if you have some key lime pie and a Coke while you listen to Big Bang Theory everything should be fine.

ItsMyLife wrote:Without Dennis DeYoung... it ain't Styx.

Without Steve Perry... it ain't Journey. Even if you get a guy that sounds very similar.

Fortunately, Dennis is one of a kind or no doubt they'd have stooped to that level.

Don't wanna get off on a Journey rant here, but I have 3 points to make on that:
1) Journey (2) Look into the Future (3) Next

There was a Journey before Perry, there can be one after. There's now A Queen w/out Freddie M; and like it or not, a Styx w/out DeYoung.

There's no I in team! To say one person is an entire band is a major disservice to the other 4 or 5 members of the band.

Ok! Rant made. I'll get off my soapbox now.

I agree with Chicagostyx. I often describe Cyclorama as "the most Styx sounding album they've done in years"; compared to BNW or EOTC in particular.

What happens if one ingredient gets stale??? Do you replace that ingredient with one that is fresher or do you keep using it anyway in the hopes it wont ruin your pie????????

yogi wrote:What happens if one ingredient gets stale??? Do you replace that ingredient with one that is fresher or do you keep using it anyway in the hopes it wont ruin your pie????????

Beatifully put yogi!

You put the lime in the Coke-you-nut and drink it all up...........

Coke is such a great analogy here.......

Coke Classic = Classic Styx
New Coke = Post DDY Styx

There are those who would say some "new and improved" recipies.......aren't !

Coke is such a great analogy here.......

Coke Classic = Classic Styx
New Coke = Post DDY Styx

Only problem with that?
Classic Coke is the original recipe either. It's just one that came closer than New Coke .

Kinda like EOTC Styx or ROR Journey

yogi wrote:What happens if one ingredient gets stale??? Do you replace that ingredient with one that is fresher or do you keep using it anyway in the hopes it wont ruin your pie????????

First you figure out which, if any, of the ingredients are now "stale". Then, is the ingredient actually bad or is it just a matter of adjusting the mixture. You have to be very careful substituting for the "stale" ingredient. You can't substitute salt for granular sugar, even though they have similar appearance, they taste way different. But neither can you substitute powdered sugar for granular sugar, which have similar taste but very different appearances. Otherwise you might end up with a pie that not only tastes different but also wrong.

Of course, you could also find you prefer the new taste over the old one. But not everyone who eats it will agree.

EE

It's like a recipe for key lime pie. If you change one of the main ingredients to something else - it doesn't mean that it's not yummy and that you don't like it - but it's definitely not the same. It may look like key lime pie, it may taste a bit like key lime pie - but if you want to make key lime pie, you need to have all of the ingredients.

Mixes of people are no different.

There most certainly is a difference. You alone are not putting 'ingredients' together and calling it Styx. Styx is doing that. It is not up to you to tell fans of a band that what they enjoy is not 'real'.

This group of people may be calling themselves Styx ... and they may be playing Styx songs, but to many of us who considered Dennis a key ingredient - then Styx simply doesn't taste the same as it used to.

Fine. Don't buy their product if all you care about is who the characters are in the band. If that is what matters to you most, let it pass on by.

In it's truest sense, none of us have had a piece of classic styx since 1984...

No, that is not the 'truest sense'. The truth is that you are not being allowed to purchase what YOU want to call Styx. That does not mean that Styx doesn't exist. it means that you are simply not being offered what you demand. Others are.

So please don't try to tell me how this is Styx or that is Styx.

You just went on a rampage telling this forum exactly what Styx is. Perhaps you should preach a different sermon?

You can change the recipe for Styx and try to make it into what you want, but to those of us who enjoyed the taste of classic Styx, the new Styx may be good - but doesn't measure up.

It may not 'measure up' to your standards, but that does not mean the band is not Styx.

(substitute Coca Cola for Key Lime Pie if you need another frame of reference)

Classic Coke, and probably ALL soft drinks, have changed their recipe. Most notably, exchanging sugar for (the much cheaper) corn syrup.

This may be true but I still prefer the pie over the stale ingredient all by itself. Especially when the pie seems to gel better with the new recipe. The pie still tastes like pie. The sugar is nothing on its own.

Whoo! I am getting both hungry and also a little queasy from all these "ingredients"!

No one is saying you should or should not buy the new "improved" Styx product. At least I don't think I got that idea from all these coke and key lime pie comparison posts.

Some of us think it is not so great any more and will not buy it. Some think it is just as good or better and will buy the product.

But if no one buys the "new" version, then it probably will eventually go off the market.

The pie still tastes like pie. The sugar is nothing on its own.

Hmmmm.....the pie may be ok to some, but most feel that sugar is the best part of it.

My question here is, if a pie collapses in a cornfield, will anyone hear it?



Bugsy

ChicagoSTYX wrote:This may be true but I still prefer the pie over the stale ingredient all by itself. Especially when the pie seems to gel better with the new recipe. The pie still tastes like pie. The sugar is nothing on its own.

Can anyone else smell Froy's brain burning?

The real problem here was that the Head Chef switched foods on us back in 1984. Then when he saw we didnt care for the new food he put us all on a bland diet!!!!!

ChicagoSTYX wrote:This may be true but I still prefer the pie over the stale ingredient all by itself. Especially when the pie seems to gel better with the new recipe. The pie still tastes like pie. The sugar is nothing on its own.

Are you admitting that Dennis is to Styx what Sugar is to Pie? All I can say is I love Pixie Styx

Also Monker - I wasn't "sermonizing"... I was basically saying that everyone enjoys different tastes... but that said everyone has different opinions on said tastes. Please read what I said again:

So please don't try to tell me how this is Styx or that is Styx. You can change the recipe for Styx and try to make it into what you want, but to those of us who enjoyed the taste of classic Styx, the new Styx may be good - but doesn't measure up.

That was saying the same thing to both sides of the aisle. The mix has been subjective. But those who like the new will find ways to say it's better than the old, and those who don't like the new will talk about how good the old recipe is. And my point was why are we trying to convince eachother that the other is wrong.

Lost in translation...

Monker Says:

Classic Coke, and probably ALL soft drinks, have changed their recipe. Most notably, exchanging sugar for (the much cheaper) corn syrup.

Classic says:

Classic Styx for Classic Coke
All Classic rock acts for All soft drinks
DDY for Sugar and..........

Hmmmm, who would be corn syrup ?

For me it all comes down to the music and nothing else. If I hear a CD that I Like, I buy it. It does not matter to me who the players are. I like most Styx music because of the style. Kind of like being a sports fan. I’m a fan of the White Sox. No matter who is on the team they are still the White Sox. Right now the Styx organization is owned by Tommy and JY and they can take it in any direction they like. If they put out a good product that enough people like they will succeed. Dennis can put out the best CD of his career and have it sound more like Styx then anything any of them have done in the last 25 years (and I’d be the first one in line to buy it) but he can’t call it Styx. He doesn’t own the company.

ChiStyx,

My analogy in response to yours....

In your analogy ( owning the business....) We could compare Styx to Apple Computer Corp .....and Dennis to Steve Jobs. Steve left and the business went south, then he came back and righted the ship !

I dunno if I see that as a possibliity, probably not actually.....Apple was in fact happy to have Steve back, whereas if DDY ever returns and is accepted back, there will be lots of $$$$$ involved.

Just a thought.

They simply do not sound like Styx anymore.

I would concede that there is some truth in this. However, I thought they began to stop sounding like Styx with Kilroy Was Here (and some would argue that it began with Babe) and by the time Edge Of The Century came out, there was very little of the Styx sound left, in my opinion. While there may have been a bit of it on BNW, there was none of the cohesion of the classic albums. So in my mind, the classic Styx sound was dead long before the breakup.

I often describe Cyclorama as "the most Styx sounding album they've done in years"; compared to BNW or EOTC in particular.

I agree. I, for one, think These Are The Times, One With Everything, Waiting For Our Time, and Captain America sound more like classic Styx than anything post-PT, but that's just my very subjective opinion.

Well after reading this thread this morning, I was hungry. I made a nice pan of brownies. If you all lived closer I'd pass them around


Ash says:

Are you admitting that Dennis is to Styx what Sugar is to Pie? All I can say is I love Pixie Styx

Oh how cute, Pixie Styx Sounds sweeter than Carrot Styx.

For my personal music tastes, I enjoy the music of Styx with Dennis and all the Styx albums/cd that Dennis was a part of.

ChicagoStyx says:

This may be true but I still prefer the pie over the stale ingredient all by itself. Especially when the pie seems to gel better with the new recipe. The pie still tastes like pie. The sugar is nothing on its own.

Um, sugar is GREAT on it's own, by the way.

Hmmm . . . with all these food analogies, I guess it would be safe to say that Dennis is on the trendy "low-rock" diet