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Great Shaw song don't hear it as a STYX song more of a 7 Zens tune
Gowan is weak on the keys and if Dennis played on this and produced it
It would have been a STYX classic
Todd smokes this tune,
Im glad its on the Anthology disc.

froy wrote:Great Shaw song don't hear it as a STYX song more of a 7 Zens tune
Gowan is weak on the keys and if Dennis played on this and produced it
It would have been a STYX classic
Todd smokes this tune,
Im glad its on the Anthology disc.

Holy...was that a compliment, Froy?

Zan wrote:

froy wrote:Great Shaw song don't hear it as a STYX song more of a 7 Zens tune
Gowan is weak on the keys and if Dennis played on this and produced it
It would have been a STYX classic
Todd smokes this tune,
Im glad its on the Anthology disc.

Holy...was that a compliment, Froy?

Yep good song

But Froy......everyone KNOWS Gowan can PLAY CIRCLES around Dennis on the Keys....JY told us so !

Dennis would have just dragged the song down with his INFERIOR skills !

classicstyxfan wrote:But Froy......everyone KNOWS Gowan can PLAY CIRCLES around Dennis on the Keys....JY told us so !

Dennis would have just dragged the song down with his INFERIOR skills !

Funny you say this..... wife asked me last night before American Idol... "If you were on this show and could play with one of your legends, who would you choose"... and I said that I'd like to perform "Pieces of Eight" with Dennis DeYoung... I'd do the first verse/chorus, and he'd do the rest...

She asked me why not Styx as opposed to just Dennis and I said, well the song is piano heavy and I didn't really like the new Piano player in Styx and Paula looks at me and says "but he just plays RINGS around everyone".. and we had a big laugh. She saw Styx backj in 1999 with me on the BNW tour and she thought the spinning keyboard thing was just lame..

anyway, made for a great inside joke.

one with everything is a great STYX song, don't really thing it would of fitted in on Zens. Gowan is awsome on keys, harmonies great, it IS a classic styx song without DDY. Please tell me where DDY would have IMPROVED that song?????????????

styxmike wrote:one with everything is a great STYX song, don't really thing it would of fitted in on Zens. Gowan is awsome on keys, harmonies great, it IS a classic styx song without DDY. Please tell me where DDY would have IMPROVED that song?????????????

First off the harmonies are good but its sounds like just Shaw and Burtnick
Dennis would have improved the harmonies big time
The keys are budget Dennis would have ripped this apart on his oberhiem , Gowan is a piano player Dennis is a monster on the oberhiem you would have seen riffs ala Fooling Yourself and Madame Blue on this one. Believe me its a good song just not polished and its missing Dennis .

we must be listening to a different song froy??. budget keys LOL not polished LOL, as much as i like DDY he couldn't improve on that. shame they won't be performing it over here , or will they??????????????

styxmike wrote:we must be listening to a different song froy??. budget keys LOL not polished LOL, as much as i like DDY he couldn't improve on that. shame they won't be performing it over here , or will they??????????????

Styx Mike Dennis would have ripped this up
Just think of hearing that oberhiem in the song and Dennis's harmonies,
Wow

Dennis doesn't PLAY the Oberheim in years - HAS HE? It's a great vintage sound but Dennis strikes me as going light on synths - using presets (when he uses them) and basing more on piano anymore.

I got the feeling he stopped using vintage synths when he stopped writing rock tracks.

I could be wrong tho.

Adam wrote:Dennis doesn't PLAY the Oberheim in years - HAS HE? It's a great vintage sound but Dennis strikes me as going light on synths - using presets (when he uses them) and basing more on piano anymore.

I got the feeling he stopped using vintage synths when he stopped writing rock tracks.

I could be wrong tho.

If I rember correctly for the '96 tour Dennis had to obain one.

one with everyhing rocks, froy i agree it would sound really cool with ddy's harmony but i don't belive ddy could have done a better job then gowan on the keys since gowan really rips on it. one thing styx really misses now is the harmonies, they're still good now, but before you had shaw and ddy then you had shaw and burtnik, now thats gone

I can't help but wonder if DeYoung would've allowed such a foray into prog-rock revisited, were he in the band during Cyclo. Besides, the song was clearly a collaboration of the current band (w/ Burtnik). There are obvious Gowan moments in that song. Listen to how many keyboard driven sections there are - it's NOT a "guitar song".

So, One With Everything just wouldn't exist w/ Dennis in the band.

Adam wrote:I can't help but wonder if DeYoung would've allowed such a foray into prog-rock revisited, were he in the band during Cyclo. Besides, the song was clearly a collaboration of the current band (w/ Burtnik). There are obvious Gowan moments in that song. Listen to how many keyboard driven sections there are - it's NOT a "guitar song".

So, One With Everything just wouldn't exist w/ Dennis in the band.

"One With Everything" is just a blatant attempt to sound like classic Styx.

The keyboard parts are fabricated to sound like classic Styx. It's dishonest to me because there is no reason those keyboard parts would be there if they weren't performing under the name "Styx".

Dennis has more pride then to pander to his audience that way so you maybe be right.

ItsMyLife wrote:

Adam wrote:I can't help but wonder if DeYoung would've allowed such a foray into prog-rock revisited, were he in the band during Cyclo. Besides, the song was clearly a collaboration of the current band (w/ Burtnik). There are obvious Gowan moments in that song. Listen to how many keyboard driven sections there are - it's NOT a "guitar song".

So, One With Everything just wouldn't exist w/ Dennis in the band.

"One With Everything" is just a blatant attempt to sound like classic Styx.

The keyboard parts are fabricated to sound like classic Styx. It's dishonest to me because there is no reason those keyboard parts would be there if they weren't performing under the name "Styx".

Dennis has more pride then to pander to his audience that way so you maybe be right.

So if Dennis was in Styx and wouldn't write a Styx song that sounded like Styx. then what would he write?

Adam says:

I can't help but wonder if DeYoung would've allowed such a foray into prog-rock revisited, were he in the band during Cyclo. Besides, the song was clearly a collaboration of the current band (w/ Burtnik). There are obvious Gowan moments in that song. Listen to how many keyboard driven sections there are - it's NOT a "guitar song".

So, One With Everything just wouldn't exist w/ Dennis in the band.

We'll never know. Dennis was kicked out, Carrot Styx released the song "1 with everything" as it is. Nothing is going to change that.

Move on....................

Dennis probably wouldn't have even recorded this song. If he is so blind that he would cut out "These Are the Times", he would have passed on this one too.

He's been stuck in the Hunchback groove for over ten years. If he had as much control over Styx as some of you people want, Styx would have recorded a Hunchback soundtrack.

styxfanNH wrote:

ItsMyLife wrote:
"One With Everything" is just a blatant attempt to sound like classic Styx.

The keyboard parts are fabricated to sound like classic Styx. It's dishonest to me because there is no reason those keyboard parts would be there if they weren't performing under the name "Styx".

Dennis has more pride then to pander to his audience that way so you maybe be right.

So if Dennis was in Styx and wouldn't write a Styx song that sounded like Styx. then what would he write?

I think there is a big difference in creating something for the sake of creating something and ending up at that particular destination because that's who you are as opposed to consciously saying "let's make this sound like something off the Grand Illusion" even though we've done umpteen albums in the last 20 years all of which don't have that sound.

If they had been using that "sound" all along then fine, but c'mon... the last Styx song to have that "sound" featured prominently was from what album? "Pieces Of Eight"? It's definitely not on PT and KWH.

I think when you shift into the latter mode, you're disingenious and it's almost comical.... add that to the fact that it's not even the original guy doing it and you've basically morphed into a caracature of yourself.

Monker wrote:Dennis probably wouldn't have even recorded this song. If he is so blind that he would cut out "These Are the Times", he would have passed on this one too.

I wanna hear the original "These Are The Times" demo that Dennis turned down.... I bet it is far removed from the actual song.

So the Froy point of view is they don't sound like Styx enough and the IML point of view is One With Everything sounds too much like Styx.

I think that shows what the real issue is with the disgruntled Pro-Dennis/Anti-Styx insurgents is: Dennis is all that matters. This is NOT a criticism, but it WOULD mean that it's a matter of principle more than an issue of MUSIC.

Ya know, I've heard Beatle arguments about the validity of the two post-mortem Lennon "Anthology" tracks (Free As A Bird and Real Love). Are they real Beatles records? Aren't they?

The bottom line, I believe, is you can go to the store and purchase a Beatle album which includes Free As A Bird and a Styx album with These Are The Times. Like it or not, this is the current Styx. All arguments against seem tired and pointless to me.

Adam wrote:So the Froy point of view is they don't sound like Styx enough and the IML point of view is One With Everything sounds too much like Styx.

I think that shows what the real issue is with the disgruntled Pro-Dennis/Anti-Styx insurgents is: Dennis is all that matters. This is NOT a criticism, but it WOULD mean that it's a matter of principle more than an issue of MUSIC.

Ya know, I've heard Beatle arguments about the validity of the two post-mortem Lennon "Anthology" tracks (Free As A Bird and Real Love). Are they real Beatles records? Aren't they?

The bottom line, I believe, is you can go to the store and purchase a Beatle album which includes Free As A Bird and a Styx album with These Are The Times. Like it or not, this is the current Styx. All arguments against seem tired and pointless to me.

Styx is what it is. For me, Dennis is not all that matters. None of us here knows why songs were chosen for one album over another. The sound for some is perfectly cool, while for others, it's not. I don't happen to care for their sound now. But I hope for those that do, they continue to give that sound to you for a long time.

Me, I think it's just important to remember that they aren't getting any younger.

Adam wrote:So the Froy point of view is they don't sound like Styx enough and the IML point of view is One With Everything sounds too much like Styx.

Nope... that's not what I said and you know it.

I was responding to those who cite how the keyboards make it sound like Styx and my take is that it's a fake and forced attempt to sound like Styx circa 1977.

It doesn't sound like Styx unless it has Dennis DeYoung on lead or background vocals. THAT is the classic sound of the band. CS, PT and KWH didn't have that keyboard sound and it still sounded like Styx to me.

They can't replicate Dennis' unique and incredible voice so they went with the next best thing that identifies with a period of Styx.

Adam wrote:I think that shows what the real issue is with the disgruntled Pro-Dennis/Anti-Styx insurgents is: Dennis is all that matters.

Sorry, when you remove the main ingredient, it ain't the same dish.

Adam wrote:Ya know, I've heard Beatle arguments about the validity of the two post-mortem Lennon "Anthology" tracks (Free As A Bird and Real Love). Are they real Beatles records? Aren't they?

No they aren't "the same". It was an interesting experiment but if anyone holds those 2 songs up as equal with the rest of The Beatles catalog they need their head examined.

Adam wrote:The bottom line, I believe, is you can go to the store and purchase a Beatle album which includes Free As A Bird and a Styx album with These Are The Times. Like it or not, this is the current Styx.

I think I've made it clear that I don't like it.

Adam wrote:All arguments against seem tired and pointless to me.

Then why do you respond to the arguments? Oh yes, it's because if anyone doesn't see eye-to-eye with your acceptance of this atrocity that uses the name Styx these days you feel obligated to respond.

I like One With Everything. Can't say that I've spent any time wondering what it would've sounded with Dennis or contemplating whether or not it was an attempt to sound like Styx of old. I simply like it for what it is.

Then why do you respond to the arguments? Oh yes, it's because if anyone doesn't see eye-to-eye with your acceptance of this atrocity that uses the name Styx these days you feel obligated to respond.

What a hypocrit you are.

You make up excuse after excuse to respond in any way you see fit because you feel 'provoked'. Then you critique others who you feel are feeling 'obligated' to respond.

That is the ONLY reason you are here, to complain. You are no different then certain Perry fans who post on Journey forums.

Monker wrote:

Then why do you respond to the arguments? Oh yes, it's because if anyone doesn't see eye-to-eye with your acceptance of this atrocity that uses the name Styx these days you feel obligated to respond.

What a hypocrit you are.

You're the hypocrit... you never ONCE call out those who criticize Dennis. And it happens all the time... and for no reason many times.

Monker wrote:You make up excuse after excuse to respond in any way you see fit because you feel 'provoked'. Then you critique others who you feel are feeling 'obligated' to respond.

I respond where I see fit... and I don't complain about it. What's his name was complaining about the same old tired arguments but meanwhile he's ALWAYS in the middle of them.

That is the ONLY reason you are here, to complain. You are no different then certain Perry fans who post on Journey forums.

No... I come here to celebrate classic Styx and the great Dennis DeYoung.

People like you think because we're fans of the real band and don't accept this line-up that we have no right to be here. WRONG.

I agree with It'sMyLife on this post

Monker wrote:
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Then why do you respond to the arguments? Oh yes, it's because if anyone doesn't see eye-to-eye with your acceptance of this atrocity that uses the name Styx these days you feel obligated to respond.



What a hypocrit you are.

It'sMyLife wrote:
You're the hypocrit... you never ONCE call out those who criticize Dennis. And it happens all the time... and for now reason many times.

Monker wrote:

You make up excuse after excuse to respond in any way you see fit because you feel 'provoked'. Then you critique others who you feel are feeling 'obligated' to respond.

It'sMyLife wrote:
I respond where I see fit... and I don't complain about it. What's his name was complaining about the same old tired arguments but meanwhile he's ALWAYS in the middle of them.

Quote:

That is the ONLY reason you are here, to complain. You are no different then certain Perry fans who post on Journey forums.

It'sMyLife wrote:
No... I come here to celebrate classic Styx and the great Dennis DeYoung.

People like you think because we're fans of the real band and don't accept this line-up that we have no right to be here. WRONG.

There have been over 20 responses to this thread and as of now, only EK88 has said what most of us probably really feel. Certainly the only post that is hard to argue with.

Scott

Since his post was buried, here it is:

I like One With Everything. Can't say that I've spent any time wondering what it would've sounded with Dennis or contemplating whether or not it was an attempt to sound like Styx of old. I simply like it for what it is.

Again, the song is done and nothing is going to change the sound, with or without Dennis. As I talk to myself again.

sadie65 wrote:Me, I think it's just important to remember that they aren't getting any younger.

Sadly, none of us are. Unless of course, you're talking maturity years.

It's a cold reality that one day, whether we like it or not, whether we are prepared for it or not, we're going to have to say goodbye. I remember how it felt when I got the call at work about Johnny. Fortunately, I wasn't exposed to the Internet back then, so all of my memories of his legacy remain happily intact.

I'm happy to see Dennis getting out there and touring, small venues or elaborate venues, so that the fans have more opportunities to see him while they can. Same goes for Styx. I try to take in as many shows as I can because I know that nothing lasts forever, and I cherish my memories of them - all of them, in one way or another.

How many times does one have to tell the world that they can't stand the sound of Gowan's voice before they think we understand what they mean? How many times do we need to argue about whether Dennis was *really* sick, or thought he was sick, or was faking being sick, or it was all a ruse made up by all of them to avoid admitting they hated each other? When does "nuff said" actually MEAN 'nuff said? How much negativity can we possibly put out there in our little karmic Styx world before we destroy or taint everything good that Styx ever helped us find in the first place?

Just thinking out loud...Sadie, I know you say it often, but it's such a poignant statement that it SHOULD be repeated, especially to this crowd, myself included.

Zan wrote:

sadie65 wrote:Me, I think it's just important to remember that they aren't getting any younger.

Sadly, none of us are. Unless of course, you're talking maturity years.

It's a cold reality that one day, whether we like it or not, whether we are prepared for it or not, we're going to have to say goodbye. I remember how it felt when I got the call at work about Johnny. Fortunately, I wasn't exposed to the Internet back then, so all of my memories of his legacy remain happily intact.

I'm happy to see Dennis getting out there and touring, small venues or elaborate venues, so that the fans have more opportunities to see him while they can. Same goes for Styx. I try to take in as many shows as I can because I know that nothing lasts forever, and I cherish my memories of them - all of them, in one way or another.

How many times does one have to tell the world that they can't stand the sound of Gowan's voice before they think we understand what they mean? How many times do we need to argue about whether Dennis was *really* sick, or thought he was sick, or was faking being sick, or it was all a ruse made up by all of them to avoid admitting they hated each other? When does "nuff said" actually MEAN 'nuff said? How much negativity can we possibly put out there in our little karmic Styx world before we destroy or taint everything good that Styx ever helped us find in the first place?

Just thinking out loud...Sadie, I know you say it often, but it's such a poignant statement that it SHOULD be repeated, especially to this crowd, myself included.

I really do think it's because people in general take any art form personal. It evokes emotions...good or bad. And when emotions get into the equation, assumptions about the artists become fact in peoples' minds. Very hard to seperate. Then when a person/people make what is perceived (right or wrong) to be a disparaging remark about said artist or emotion, well the emotions kick in and before you know it, it's a slug fest.

And even though each and every one of us knows better in our hearts (that goes for me too), by golly then we get downright defensive and protective of our perceptions/misconceptions...and the very thing that got us here becomes nothing more than bait for the next round. And then the word fan becomes synonymous with antifan.

Enjoy what you want for as long as you can..."cuz deep inside we're all the same"...sorry couldn't resist.