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I took this from the other thread (thanks StyxNH).

So, how does a classic rock band/act get their material to their fans if radio is a closed door? What other forms of promotion are open to them?

Just looking for your input.


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They're not giving it away. Every fan that goes to their show is paying for it in addition to their ticket price. It's a perfect way to make a $35 seat cost $50. And if you don't want it, too bad.

Not what I really would call record sales. But they do.

This CD will become the best selling non-label cd of all time. If they do 5 shows a week with an average of 5,000 people they can say they sold 25,000 units. After enough shows, it will go platinum with not one albuym actually being paid for voluntarily.

I took this from the other thread (thanks StyxNH).

So, how does a classic rock band/act get their material to their fans if radio is a closed door? What other forms of promotion are open to them?

Just looking for your input.


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They're not giving it away. Every fan that goes to their show is paying for it in addition to their ticket price. It's a perfect way to make a $35 seat cost $50. And if you don't want it, too bad.

Not what I really would call record sales. But they do.

This CD will become the best selling non-label cd of all time. If they do 5 shows a week with an average of 5,000 people they can say they sold 25,000 units. After enough shows, it will go platinum with not one albuym actually being paid for voluntarily.

First of all, what IML said above is wrong...

Journey isn't 'raising' ticket prices by including the CD. Ticket prices stay the same and the band simply takes less profit, according to Neal anyway.

Second of all, he's right saying it will go platinum...even Neal has said the above.

But, does it really mean anything? I don't think so. So, 5,000 concert goers get a CD. Some may not even listen to it, some may listen to it one time. Nobody will really know what 'fans' care about the CD, how much they care, or what fans think of it as a fancy coaster.

That is what makes what Styx has done so impressive. The fact is, they were ON THE RADIO, their CD charted. Whether some of the DeYoungidiots don't accept those FACTS is irrelevant...it happened.

What Styx did with BBT, and Walrus, is very unlikely to happen with Journey. it won't chart...in fact, it CAN'T chart by using the concert sales. I also doubt that it will get much airplay because it isn't on a 'real' label. Froy says BBT only lasted three days...Well, even if that were true (and, IMO, it isn't), it is three days longer then Journey.

Styx did things right...and their success is MUCH more impressive then Journey finding loopholes in the system.

What should bands do? Impress labels and radio enough to release and play the songs. Get it on iTunes and such for downloading. Perform the new stuff in concert. Do a simple video and get in VH1Classic. Those things matter, loopholes are lame.

Those things matter, loopholes are lame.[/quote]


Uh, no. Loopholes are essential. You cannot tell me that the first 2 tracks heard from Generations are not radio worthy. They are and you know it. To find a way is good business sense. Generations will be much stronger than BBT.....Monker, you should know better. if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.

Styx are great, but will never be bigger or better than Journey....

First of all, what IML said above is wrong...

Those are fighting words. I am not IML and I feel insulted.

Journey isn't 'raising' ticket prices by including the CD. Ticket prices stay the same and the band simply takes less profit, according to Neal anyway.

Wrong. That may be what neal is saying but if the artist is charging less, then the promoters would charge less for the ticket price. The price of the cd is included in the ticket price.

This was an issue when Prince gave away Musicology and included the freebies in his record sales saying the price of the cd was included in the ticket price. Ruling from the AMA was that albums of this nature were supposed to have their value added on top of the ticket price and were supposed to be stated on the ticket or in the advertising when tickets were sold.

This was an issue when Prince gave away Musicology and included the freebies in his record sales saying the price of the cd was included in the ticket price. Ruling from the AMA was that albums of this nature were supposed to have their value added on top of the ticket price and were supposed to be stated on the ticket or in the advertising when tickets were sold.

Question (since we have totally left Sadie's intended topic....sigh): Did I read, or see, that after Prince pulled this little trick and got credit on the charts for Musicology "selling", that they have changed how the charting is done? SFNH? Do you know?

In other words, CD's offered as a package with a ticket to a concert does not count towards the sales that put that CD on the Billboard chart.

Anyone??

Bugsy

Question (since we have totally left Sadie's intended topic....sigh): Did I read, or see, that after Prince pulled this little trick and got credit on the charts for Musicology "selling", that they have changed how the charting is done? SFNH? Do you know?

In other words, CD's offered as a package with a ticket to a concert does not count towards the sales that put that CD on the Billboard chart.

Anyone??

Bugsy[/quote]



I can answer this before Monker gets here.

The CD counts for sales, but not for charting(Billboard), which Neal so eloquently said, "I don't give a fuck about charting."

The CD counts for sales, but not for charting(Billboard), which Neal so eloquently said, "I don't give a fuck about charting."

OK, so those count as CD "sales" towards granting it gold, platinum, etc. status? Interesting.

Bugsy

Monker wrote:
First of all, what IML said above is wrong...

Journey isn't 'raising' ticket prices by including the CD. Ticket prices stay the same and the band simply takes less profit, according to Neal anyway.

I didn't say Journey is raising prices... someone else said that... I just responded to it.

Monker wrote:That is what makes what Styx has done so impressive. The fact is, they were ON THE RADIO, their CD charted. Whether some of the DeYoungidiots don't accept those FACTS is irrelevant...it happened.

Schmuck.

However you slice it, it's lame.

It's comical to watch you guys make excuse after excuse for washed up, past their prime bands who are shadows of themselves.

[quote="ItsMyLife"]However you slice it, it's lame.

It's comical to watch you guys make excuse after excuse for washed up, past their prime bands who are shadows of themselves.[/quote]

Like KISS?

TOO funny...KISS? were they even real? like the Monkees??

Rock'ndeano wrote:TOO funny...KISS? were they even real? like the Monkees??

Ignorance is bliss chooch.

Now why don't all you Journey worshipers go back to the Journey board and fawn over Steve Augeri.

LOL

DeYoungidiots

That rates right up there with you DipStyx, right....

ItsMyLife wrote:

Rock'ndeano wrote:TOO funny...KISS? were they even real? like the Monkees??

Ignorance is bliss chooch.

Now why don't all you Journey worshipers go back to the Journey board and fawn over Steve Augeri.

LOL

Hey, I am a Styx fan too. Obviously more of a fan than you....

Rock'ndeano wrote:

ItsMyLife wrote:

Rock'ndeano wrote:TOO funny...KISS? were they even real? like the Monkees??

Ignorance is bliss chooch.

Now why don't all you Journey worshipers go back to the Journey board and fawn over Steve Augeri.

LOL

Hey, I am a Styx fan too. Obviously more of a fan than you....

Oh really... if lapping up everything they serve you is being a "super fan" don't let me get in your way.

You like imitators...

ItsMyLife wrote:

Rock'ndeano wrote:

ItsMyLife wrote:

Rock'ndeano wrote:TOO funny...KISS? were they even real? like the Monkees??

Ignorance is bliss chooch.

Now why don't all you Journey worshipers go back to the Journey board and fawn over Steve Augeri.

LOL

Hey, I am a Styx fan too. Obviously more of a fan than you....

Oh really... if lapping up everything they serve you is being a "super fan" don't let me get in your way.

You like imitators...

Yeah, and this absolutely kills you doesn't it? Because you are NEVER going to get Styx again with DDY...so be bitter til the end of time.

By your reasooning, every president after Washington are imitators.. I guess someone forgot to pass you Oxygen when you were born. You are a dipshit.

DeeJaySTYX wrote:

DeYoungidiots

That rates right up there with you DipStyx, right....

No. It rates right up there with the Perryidiots who act in the exact same way as IML and Froy. If you are willing to continue in that direction, I am more then happy to engage in it with you.

Monker wrote:

DeeJaySTYX wrote:

DeYoungidiots

That rates right up there with you DipStyx, right....

No. It rates right up there with the Perryidiots who act in the exact same way as IML and Froy. If you are willing to continue in that direction, I am more then happy to engage in it with you.

Well, first of all, I'm not Froy or IML...So by calling the Deyoung fans that don't go in that direction Deyoungidiots is what I'm questioning because it seems like that you went in that direction first....

Some of the Deyoungidiots

DeeJaySTYX wrote:Well, first of all, I'm not Froy or IML...So by calling the Deyoung fans that don't go in that direction Deyoungidiots is what I'm questioning....

I neither implied nor expicitly said the above when I said, "Whether some of the DeYoungidiots don't accept those FACTS is irrelevant...it happened. " But, if you wish to believe I did, I don't mind. There has been enough sarcastic insults towards Styx, the members of Styx, and their fans, from your side of the river that I really don't care what people think when I say such things.

If you're offended by it, well, it's not my problem.

Monker wrote:

DeeJaySTYX wrote:Well, first of all, I'm not Froy or IML...So by calling the Deyoung fans that don't go in that direction Deyoungidiots is what I'm questioning....

I neither implied nor expicitly said the above when I said, "Whether some of the DeYoungidiots don't accept those FACTS is irrelevant...it happened. " But, if you wish to believe I did, I don't mind. There has been enough sarcastic insults towards Styx, the members of Styx, and their fans, from your side of the river that I really don't care what people think when I say such things.

If you're offended by it, well, it's not my problem.

You said Some of the Deyoungidiots, refering to IML and Froy, and they are not all of the Deyoung Fans as a hole...The wording is very explicit...And there have been plenty of sacastic insults from your side of the river aimed at Dennis, so don't pretend to be innocent...

See DeeJay...Monker doesn't care. He feels its accpetable and uses the tired and true "the other side does it., so it's okay if I do it mode". He has made it clear he relishes arguing and that it is the way this board operates. I don't agree with that logic, but I know that again, he doesn't care that I/we don't agree. By saying that it is your problem to take offense to his words is dodging his responsibility, but I bet he doesn't see it that way. Just a hunch.

That being said...what say we try to get back to the question I posed...what other methods are available to get new music heard for classic rock acts?

Agreed, Thanks Sadie...

sadie65 wrote:See DeeJay...Monker doesn't care. He feels its accpetable and uses the tired and true "the other side does it., so it's okay if I do it mode".

Nope. The forum ebbs and flows and has currents. I'm not going to swim upstream any longer. Unlike others who post here, I don't blame others for my actions and give them ownership over my actions. Months ago this forum moved beyond me caring what others thought about what I said. I'm going to say what I say and people taking offense to it is not my problem. Get over yourselves already.

He has made it clear he relishes arguing and that it is the way this board operates.

No. I 'relish' forums that are so open...meaning, people can do and say whatever they want , scruples be damned.

By saying that it is your problem to take offense to his words is dodging his responsibility, but I bet he doesn't see it that way. Just a hunch.

You bet I am not going to take ownership over somebody elses feelings. Babe, it's not my problem. Why should I give a damn when someone is offended about something I say that is OBVIOUSLY not even directed at them anyway? I'm not going to give a shit that someone is so over sensitive to my words.

what other methods are available to get new music heard for classic rock acts?

Funny...I think I am the ONLY one in this thread who answered this question with any kind of sincerity. Instead of replying to my post in the context of YOUR question, we are now talking about ME. Thank you for ignoring YOUR topic and instead concentrating so much attention on me. I appreciate it very much.

sadie65 wrote:See DeeJay...Monker doesn't care. He feels its accpetable and uses the tired and true "the other side does it., so it's okay if I do it mode". He has made it clear he relishes arguing and that it is the way this board operates. I don't agree with that logic, but I know that again, he doesn't care that I/we don't agree. By saying that it is your problem to take offense to his words is dodging his responsibility, but I bet he doesn't see it that way. Just a hunch.

That being said...what say we try to get back to the question I posed...what other methods are available to get new music heard for classic rock acts?

Actually Sadie, I think you nailed it on the head when it comes to Monker, plus added to the fact that it was he around one year ago was whining and complaining because we were making fun of the band in a thread that wasn't meant to be taken seriously (DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT OVER SENSITIVITY??? Look who's talking.... (And Just wait for the next Froy vs. Monker debate...)), I'm just holding him to that same standard that he laid out back then.... And I think It's kind of funny that He complains that Dennis insulted some of the internet fans ( I actually agree with him on that one) but then he insults Dennis's fans by calling them idiots....The guy has a lousy tact....

Getting back to the original question by Sadie;


1. Touring to support the album of new material...Tommy and JY are right to tour to support Brave New World...

2. Public appearences would help like SNL, Jimmy Kimmel, or any other TV show that has a big viewing audience....The Super Bowl is also a good choice....

3. Interviews with Radio stations in cities that they tour in frequently to promote new songs....

4. Videos....


DeeJay....

Actually Sadie, I think you nailed it on the head when it comes to Monker, plus added to the fact that it was he around one year ago was whining and complaining because we were making fun of the band in a thread that wasn't meant to be taken seriously, I'm just holding him to that same standard that he laid out back then...

Times have changed. Go ahead, start a thread making sarcastic insults towards the band, which are not meant to be taken seriously but are still demeaning. Let's see where THAT goes today, and if I 'whine' about it.

And I think It's kind of funny that He complains that Dennis insulted some of the internet fans ( I actually agree with him on that one) but then he insults Dennis's fans by calling them idiots....The guy has a lousy tact....

First of all, I did not call all of Dennis's fans idiots. But, you are certainly living up to that label by refusing to understand that point.

Tact? Tact is irrelevent.

And Just wait for the next Froy vs. Monker debate...

Anytime he's ready, I'm waiting.

Times have changed. Go ahead, start a thread making sarcastic insults towards the band, which are not meant to be taken seriously but are still demeaning. Let's see where THAT goes today, and if I 'whine' about it.

Yea, Styx really did take it on the chin back then, didn't they???? I'm pretty sure they were going to stop the tour all because the rabid Deyoung fans at MelodicRock.Com were demeaning to them with sarcastic insults.... GET REAL!!!!! And I didn't start any thread of such nature...And even if somebody did and you "whine" about, that's your problem, just using your logic....

First of all, I did not call all of Dennis's fans idiots. But, you are certainly living up to that label by refusing to understand that point.

Tact? Tact is irrelevent.

Actually, you did...You refered to IML and Froy as "some of the Deyoungidiots"....And when I questioned it, instead of adjusting your statement or clarifying it, you responded "If you want to go in that direction, I will be happy to engage it with you", And "If I offended you that's not my problem, that's yours"... And as far as labels, trust me, you don't want to go there!!!!!

Tact is only irrelevent to the arrogant....

Anytime he's ready, I'm waiting.

Oh really, What's your prize.....

Yea, Styx really did take it on the chin back then, didn't they???? I'm pretty sure they were going to stop the tour all because the rabid Deyoung fans at MelodicRock.Com were demeaning to them with sarcastic insults.... GET REAL!!!!!

The above had NOTHING to do with what I said. Like I said: times have changed. If you want to start a thread like that again, go for it, and we'll see where it leads in today's world.

And I didn't start any thread of such nature...And even if somebody did and you "whine" about, that's your problem, just using your logic....

Yep...it would be 'my problem' if I whined about it...which I won't.

Actually, you did...You refered to IML and Froy as "some of the Deyoungidiots"....And when I questioned it, instead of adjusting your statement or clarifying it, you responded "If you want to go in that direction, I will be happy to engage it with you", And "If I offended you that's not my problem, that's yours"...

Yep...if you want to go in the direction of froy and IML, and therefore joining the DeYoungidiots, I'll go there with you. That doesn't bother me at all.

And as far as labels, trust me, you don't want to go there!!!!!

There isn't any label you can assign to me that hasn't already been used.

Tact is only irrelevent to the arrogant....

Me, arrogant? Why should I not be?

> Anytime he's ready, I'm waiting.

Oh really, What's your prize.....

His humiliation.