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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:54 pm

Here's an article that mentions Styx, oh and Journey too :)

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Reunited and it feels so good
If it makes their fans happy, old bands have every right to tour
By Joan Anderman, Globe Staff | July 24, 2005

The de rigueur response to news of yet another rock band reunion is a snarky remark about greedy has-beens and aging boomers tripping lamely down memory lane.

For some, the mere thought of a Styx reunion is offensive. Granted, there are degrees of offense. Mission of Burma is cool, mostly because they were never famous and according to the convoluted logic of pop culture, commercial irrelevance equals integrity. Pink Floyd was weird and important enough in its heyday to warrant consideration in any era. Journey, however, is not OK, and neither are the Doobie Brothers.

Word that Loggins and Messina are, at 57, serenading sold-out crowds of suburban parents and their children this summer is greeted by many with a weary roll of the eyes, as if someone had just pointed out a stain on a new garment. Apparently, two guys with guitars singing songs that make lots of people very happy is a problem. So is the fact that they're being paid handsomely for their work.

What haughty hipsters forget is that playing music is a skill, and being in a band is a job. Would it be wrong for a lawyer to return to the firm following a midcareer hiatus? Could anyone blame a retired mail carrier, faced with mounting bills, for trying to get his route back? Yet if a musician past his prime (which in the music business is 23, give or take six months) aspires to make an honest buck, he's a sellout.

''I think people misunderstand that aspect of show business," says Frank Black, frontman for the Pixies, which launched a warmly received reunion tour more than a year ago. ''They don't get how much in the real world we are. The four of us are playing shows, and we earn a fee like anyone else."

Thirteen years after breaking up, the Pixies still sound great. But in some cases talent wanes with time, and I'm not suggesting that every band that ever had a whiff of appeal should be welcomed back with open arms. For my money, Journey shouldn't be allowed on a stage. For that matter, neither should the pale, fragmented imitation of a once-great band called the Beach Boys.

The point is, it's not about my money or even my taste, which is a counterintuitive thing for a critic to say.

In economic terms, the recent surge in rock band reunions is about a huge and lucrative market for nostalgia. There are big bucks to be made from repackaging the soundtrack to someone's youth. Unfortunately, big business is often plagued by inadequate quality control, and one could argue that ears and wallets have suffered in the rush to satisfy demand.

Exhibit A: Herman's Hermits are on the road.

But that argument only satisfies the self-anointed elite who probably can't remember the last time they blissed out at a live show. A concert is a base and elemental experience -- we feel pleasure at hearing music. But it's also complicated and mysterious, a sensory mash-up of memory and anticipation and reverie. Why should a fan of Marshall Tucker or Tears for Fears or Cream be denied?

By the same token, why should an artist?

''It's powerful and healing for me to remember a time when I was in love, optimistic, 10 feet tall, and bulletproof," says Kenny Loggins, who reunited with Jim Messina last year after a 29-year split. ''There's value in allowing people to go back, if only as an escape from whatever sadness is in our lives or in our society."

If those sound like the corny sentiments of an over-the-hill troubadour, consider the words of Lou Barlow, bassist and cred-heavy tastemaker from Sebadoh, Folk Implosion, and the recentlyreunited Dinosaur Jr.

''I'd almost forgotten where I came from," Barlow says. ''To go back and study something I was so devoted to feels really relevant to me."

The idea that something old -- a song, a singer, a fan -- can be relevant goes against the grain of our future-forward, youth-obsessed mentality. What's really odd is that the nostalgia industry is thriving within a pop culture that's consumed with the mindless pursuit of the new. Maybe the takeaway message is that the distinction is pointless. A good tune is a good tune whether it was written yesterday or in 1985 or 200 years ago. Look at all those orchestras that still cover Beethoven. Moreover, a bad song, or even a bad band, can be a fine thing when it brings people to their feet.

I say, let them eat Styx.

Joan Anderman can be reached at anderman@globe.com.
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Postby bugsymalone » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:42 pm

Another know-it-all, above-it-all, I-know-better-than-you-poor-sad-peons- know "review" of what many, MANY people are finding great enjoyment and satisfaction from.

Hey, Joan! Why not just keep it to yourself next time.

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(Thanks for posting it Suite....eh.....I guess)

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Postby swwskj » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:46 pm

Bugsy,

That pretty much sums it up for me. Just about word for word. But I would have shown less tact and thrown a 'f**k ya bitch' in there somewhere. :shock:

At least Joan had the epiphany that maybe we shouldn't rush to judge the commonfolks if they are at least getting enjoyment out of it. Poor pitiful souls that they are...let them eat styx and all. Sheesh.

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Postby jrnyman28 » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:54 pm

Funny thing is Styx and Journey do not really belong in the list since neither one are "reuniting". Styx has been going almost constantly. And Journey has been back together for 8 years. If the article was written back in 1996 then Journey would fit.
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Postby sadie65 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:00 am

Good points. I just think the writer was, in some kind of backhanded way, agreeing it's okay for bands to make the most of their nostalgia.
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Postby bugsymalone » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:55 am

Good points. I just think the writer was, in some kind of backhanded way, agreeing it's okay for bands to make the most of their nostalgia.


True -- but add "superior" between "backhanded" and "way" and I think that captures the tone of the whole column.

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Postby sadie65 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:58 am

bugsymalone wrote:
Good points. I just think the writer was, in some kind of backhanded way, agreeing it's okay for bands to make the most of their nostalgia.


True -- but add "superior" between "backhanded" and "way" and I think that captures the tone of the whole column.

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Postby onestilllearning » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:35 am

For my money, Journey shouldn't be allowed on a stage.

First let me say that this article not only contradicts itself but has no cohesive theme or message. What could have been an interesting editorial opinion piece does not warrant a passing grade for a journalist student.

I was not a huge Journey fan I did buy thier first album (the lead singer on this first album was not Steve Perry by the way) which I loved. But thier subsequent albums were not in my youthful collection. I was basically reintroduced when I bought tickets for the "Main Event" tour with Styx/REO/Journey and live with with new steve they rocked! This B*tch has no clue. Insulting Journey contridicts her whole theme (convuloted as it is) More people fell in love, had first romances and other great experiences while listening to or remebering Journey songs (same for REO who I do not like personally) so how do legitamate journalist get to be paid for this garbage?
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:16 am

onestilllearning wrote:For my money, Journey shouldn't be allowed on a stage.

First let me say that this article not only contradicts itself but has no cohesive theme or message. What could have been an interesting editorial opinion piece does not warrant a passing grade for a journalist student.

I was not a huge Journey fan I did buy thier first album (the lead singer on this first album was not Steve Perry by the way) which I loved. But thier subsequent albums were not in my youthful collection. I was basically reintroduced when I bought tickets for the "Main Event" tour with Styx/REO/Journey and live with with new steve they rocked! This B*tch has no clue. Insulting Journey contridicts her whole theme (convuloted as it is) More people fell in love, had first romances and other great experiences while listening to or remebering Journey songs (same for REO who I do not like personally) so how do legitamate journalist get to be paid for this garbage?


I am confused by your post. You say Journey shouldn't be allowed on a stage, yet you say they ROCKED with the new Steve singing?
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Postby Hippie » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:16 pm

I think the big point that escaped the writer is that there is still a market for classic rock (and the new material it's putting out).

The first time I got to see Journey was in '02; Atlanta, Music Midtown. I was on the train around a bunch of teenagers that were all excited about the shows. I figured they were there to see some contemporary band on another stage. They were there to see Journey!

With Styx it's been the same deal. The most recent show I saw was in '04 and I have this lasting impression of a teenage girl dressed in black, jewelry all over her face, eyes buried in eye liner and she was screaming her head off for "Lorilei"!

I like modern music too, but I think even the youth are getting sick of these depressing, downer, angry bands and they're turning to music that just feels good; like Styx, Journey, REO, Boston.

That's why these bands are still around 20 years later and that's what the writer missed! IMO
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Postby onestilllearning » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:14 pm

I am confused by your post. You say Journey shouldn't be allowed on a stage, yet you say they ROCKED with the new Steve singing?

The above is a quote by jrnyman28

I guess I should identified "Journey shouldn't be allowed on stage" as a quote from the article this thread is based on but I assumed everyone read that already.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:33 pm

onestilllearning wrote:I guess I should identified "Journey shouldn't be allowed on stage" as a quote from the article this thread is based on but I assumed everyone read that already.


Thank you for clearing that up, I am a dork! ;)
I did read the article, but without quotes or any credits for the quote, I thought it was you saying it, or agreeing with it.
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Postby gr8dane » Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:33 pm

Hippie wrote:I think the big point that escaped the writer is that there is still a market for classic rock (and the new material it's putting out).

The first time I got to see Journey was in '02; Atlanta, Music Midtown. I was on the train around a bunch of teenagers that were all excited about the shows. I figured they were there to see some contemporary band on another stage. They were there to see Journey!

With Styx it's been the same deal. The most recent show I saw was in '04 and I have this lasting impression of a teenage girl dressed in black, jewelry all over her face, eyes buried in eye liner and she was screaming her head off for "Lorilei"!

I like modern music too, but I think even the youth are getting sick of these depressing, downer, angry bands and they're turning to music that just feels good; like Styx, Journey, REO, Boston.

That's why these bands are still around 20 years later and that's what the writer missed! IMO


By the way,Tallahassee Hippie,I wanted to tell you ,I love your avatar,though I must say you look ehhh a little weedy.
Is that a record cover from some of the Gong guys perchance.
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Postby swwskj » Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:02 am

That's Neil of the 'Young Ones'. I'm surprised you didn't recognize him.

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Postby gr8dane » Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:41 am

swwskj wrote:That's Neil of the 'Young Ones'. I'm surprised you didn't recognize him.

Scott

Thanx Scott.
I have never heard of the Young Ones. :oops:
I did not now it was from a show.Looks like it could be fun,when Ben Elton and Alexie Sayle are involved.
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Postby Hippie » Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:48 am

gr8dane wrote:
swwskj wrote:That's Neil of the 'Young Ones'. I'm surprised you didn't recognize him.

Scott

Thanx Scott.
I have never heard of the Young Ones. :oops:
I did not now it was from a show.Looks like it could be fun,when Ben Elton and Alexie Sayle are involved.


Hah!!! swwskj beat me to it!

The Young Ones is the British Live action predecessor to South Park. Funny ass show!!!! :lol:

Neil is my hero! I am Neil!!!! In the show, they always called him "Hippie" so my friends started calling me that.

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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:51 am

I remember watching the Young Ines years ago. Very odd, funny, British Humor. Hard to get sometimes being a yankee! ;)
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Postby gr8dane » Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:59 am

gr8dane wrote:
swwskj wrote:That's Neil of the 'Young Ones'. I'm surprised you didn't recognize him.

Scott

Thanx Scott.
I have never heard of the Young Ones. :oops:
I did not now it was from a show.Looks like it could be fun,when Ben Elton and Alexie Sayle are involved.

Does swwskj stand for something,or did you pick your name with your eyes closed,punching the keyboard?????If you don't mind me asking.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:09 am

Hippie, your avatar picture is kind of creepy with the green - LOL I can't look at it at night, gives me the heebie jeebies -LO :?

The show was funny (I love British humor, Benny Hill, Monty Python). I remember seeing a few episodes (there were only 12).
I just looked up Nigel and he's still in the movies. Yikes, he's 52 already!!!
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Postby sadie65 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:16 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Hippie, your avatar picture is kind of creepy with the green - LOL I can't look at it at night, gives me the heebie jeebies -LO :?

The show was funny (I love British humor, Benny Hill, Monty Python). I remember seeing a few episodes (there were only 12).
I just looked up Nigel and he's still in the movies. Yikes, he's 52 already!!!


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Postby swwskj » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:16 am

I've got all the Young Ones episodes at home. My brother and I watched them so often in the '80's that we could recite practically every line. I guess I must have burnt myself out on them and hardly ever watch more than a few minutes at a time ( and that's rarely ).

As for the SWWSKJ, that is a chrostic of the first initials of my family's names (dogs included-Katie and Jake) I'm the first 'S', in case you hadn't guessed :D .

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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:31 am

sadie65 wrote:I'll take Fawlty Towers and Dave Allen at Large. Mr. Sadie loves Python.


I could never really get into Fawlty Towers.
Loved Benny Hill (all the girls, I was a young child!)
Loved Monty Python.

I also loved a show called 'Allo 'Allo. Funny as hell WWII comedy.
There was a Nightly News spoof show that I used to watch as well. I remember the female newscaster had a skit which included breasts that move. She ended up on SNL for a very short while.

My mom was a big Blackadder fan. but I have found that Rowan Atkinson is only funny in small doses.
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Postby evileyes » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:32 am

Hippie wrote:...I like modern music too, but I think even the youth are getting sick of these depressing, downer, angry bands and they're turning to music that just feels good; like Styx, Journey, REO, Boston.

That's why these bands are still around 20 years later and that's what the writer missed! IMO


I agree. As the parent of teens, I can tell you that, while they listen to "their" music (as do I), they still gravitate toward the classics station and can sing along with just as many songs as me.

BTW I loved watching Benny Hill & Dave Allen at Large growing up--when the folks weren't around to stop me :)
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