What's wrong with Nostalgia?

by **styxfanNH** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:49 pm

Tossed around this forum like it's a bad thing is that Styx is a nostalgia act. Inferring they have withered away, playing their hits of yesteryear and living off the success of their past.

But can't that be said of every act? They feed off the popularity of their previous succes. It allows them to keep on doing what they are doing...bringing their music (and newly recorded music at that) to the people that want to hear it.

The way some of you talk in here, you would think that no band should play their previous hits and should only play their current music.

Nostalgia is a good thing. It lets most of us relive/remember a different time and put perspective into our current situations. Hey, I would even argue, it's a good thing...

by **gr8dane** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:00 pm

styxfanNH wrote:Tossed around this forum like it's a bad thing is that Styx is a nostalgia act. Inferring they have withered away, playing their hits of yesteryear and living off the success of their past.

But can't that be said of every act? They feed off the popularity of their previous succes. It allows them to keep on doing what they are doing...bringing their music (and newly recorded music at that) to the people that want to hear it.

The way some of you talk in here, you would think that no band should play their previous hits and should only play their current music.

Nostalgia is a good thing. It lets most of us relive/remember a different time and put perspective into our current situations. Hey, I would even argue, it's a good thing...

There's nothing wrong with that.
The people who think there is something wrong with that, won't go.
I myself am just happy I can get a dose of the old greats that are still around.
Frankly there is not much of the new stuff that is coming out that can keep me interested at all.
I still listen to my old records,so why not see the old bands.

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:32 am

I totally agree. I am very into nostaglia mainly because what I hear is MUSIC!

Would I like something new from Dennis? And fans of Current Lineup something new from them? Of course! But I love the old stuff and the deeper into the catalog they dig, the more I like it.

Sometimes "nostalgia act" is used in a derogatory way, and I hope my use of it has not come off negatively. I think what some people have remarked on is the acceptance of new music from what essentially are nostalgia acts (NOT a bad thing!), is not as strong as for the tried and true fan favorites from their past -- the music that brought everyone to them/him/her in the first place.

Bugsy

by **sadie65** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:44 am

Nostalgia is only a bad thing if the people seeing the act want something totally new and do not want to accept that the act is no longer going to climb the charts or cover the airwaves.

It's equally bad when the act themselves don't recognize that they are now in the nostalgia category.

I myself am all for a trip down memory lane, as long as those memories hold good things for me.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:24 pm

StyxfanNH says:

What's wrong with Nostalgia?

Nothing, nothing at all.

Tossed around this forum like it's a bad thing is that Styx is a nostalgia act. Inferring they have withered away, playing their hits of yesteryear and living off the success of their past.

I say those things about Carrot Styx only because of what happened and how everything was handled waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 1998/1999. If Dennis left and gave them best wishes I would be supporting the hell out of them, big time.

Nostalgia is a good thing. It lets most of us relive/remember a different time and put perspective into our current situations. Hey, I would even argue, it's a good thing...

To me nostalgia is a good thing too. I LOVE seeing bands/artists live playing the music that I love and grew up with. I love going back in time, I had a ton of great memories due to the music, and you all know espcially because of STYX !!!

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:54 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:I say those things about Carrot Styx only because of what happened and how everything was handled waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 1998/1999. If Dennis left and gave them best wishes I would be supporting the hell out of them, big time.

So, your words come from the same bitterness and spite as Froy's words come from. It has NOTHING to do with the music or the quality of their performances - if it did, you wouldn't be supporting them even if Dennis left in a way where you couldn't blame Styx.

To me nostalgia is a good thing too.

Of course it is - Because DENNIS feeds of the same nostalgia, and in the same way, as Styx does.

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:56 pm

sadie65 wrote:It's equally bad when the act themselves don't recognize that they are now in the nostalgia category.

What is the point of a band who doesn't believe in their future releasing new music? There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a band looking towards the futures instead of being satisfied with only reflecting on the past.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:01 pm

Monker says:

So, your words come from the same bitterness and spite as Froy's words come from.

Froy's bitter? News to me.

It has NOTHING to do with the music or the quality of their performances - if it did, you wouldn't be supporting them even if Dennis left in a way where you couldn't blame Styx.

Huh? Sadie, could you please translate what he's trying to say tomorrow morning. Thanks in advance - LOL

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:12 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Huh? Sadie, could you please translate what he's trying to say tomorrow morning. Thanks in advance - LOL

From your own fingers, "I say those things about Carrot Styx only because of what happened " What you say about Styx has NOTHING to do with the music - only band politics.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:50 pm

From your own fingers, "I say those things about Carrot Styx only because of what happened " What you say about Styx has NOTHING to do with the music - only band politics.

Yeah, so? To me it's the band politics of what happened of why I have the viewpoint that I have. So, I have my own opinion and I pretty much heard the various sides from their own mouths directly to my face - so what. I'm just a little more sensitive than most if not all STYX fans of what happened. I guess I care more about the feelings of all the people and their families that were involved of what happened on most of the "sides".

by **sadie65** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:12 pm

Monker wrote:
sadie65 wrote:It's equally bad when the act themselves don't recognize that they are now in the nostalgia category.

What is the point of a band who doesn't believe in their future releasing new music? There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a band looking towards the futures instead of being satisfied with only reflecting on the past.

I have no problem with a band wanting to look to their future. My point is that if a band is still thinking they will approach the same level of dizzying success they had in their heyday, they are fooling themselves. I have no problem with a band releasing new material either. Once an artist is no longer on the radio, like it or not, they start to and do become a nostalgia act.

by **kansas666** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:15 pm

What's wrong with being a nostalgia act? Hmmm....good question.

The Reluctant Legend has even stated that STYX has become the soundtrack to our glorious misspent youth. So they are "accepting" that they are a nostalgia act.

Nostalgia is what pays the bills right now. But is is obvious that STYX and many other classic rock acts would like to be relevant today as well. Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten Cyclorama. They wouldn't have put so much effort into that album and promoted it as hard as they did if they didn't hope to see dollar signs.

Are they just "fooling themselves"? Perhaps. It is a long shot. But other bands have accomplished it. Look at Aerosmith.

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:21 pm

From your own fingers, "I say those things about Carrot Styx only because of what happened " What you say about Styx has NOTHING to do with the music - only band politics.

Yeah, so? To me it's the band politics of what happened of why I have the viewpoint that I have.

The "so" is that you wouldn't like this band no matter what their music was like, or how they performed, or you wouldn't say, "If Dennis left and gave them best wishes I would be supporting the hell out of them, big time."

Any comments that you offer about Styx' music is irrelevant - because, by your own admission, you wouldn't like it no matter what it sounded like. They could never do ANYTHING to please you.

So, I have my own opinion and I pretty much heard the various sides from their own mouths directly to my face - so what. I'm just a little more sensitive than most if not all STYX fans of what happened. I guess I care more about the feelings of all the people and their families that were involved of what happened on most of the "sides".

It's the music that we are supposed to be fans of. It's the music that we put into our CD players. It's not the various personnas that make up the band, and their various feelings.

by **sadie65** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:22 pm

Let me make something clear, I was talking as a general rule. For every Aerosmith out there, you have at least 20 other acts that were popular at the same time that are still touring and making new records. I have no problem with that. I was not trying to single Styx out with my comments. ANY band or act that believes they will strike lightening twice runs up against enormous odds against them. Those that do not recognize that the fans come to see them primarily for what they put out in their heyday, those are the ones I meant were fooling themselves. I'm all for new music and a desire to make it. Heck even the vaunted Mr. McCartney still puts out new music from time to time...though I doubt he thinks it will sell as well as back in his day. Hopefully that clarifies what I was trying to say.

Peace

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:22 pm

Look at Aerosmith.

Yes. But that band is still Aerosmith.

Bugsy

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:27 am

The "so" is that you wouldn't like this band no matter what their music was like, or how they performed, or you wouldn't say, "If Dennis left and gave them best wishes I would be supporting the hell out of them, big time."

Oh my gosh, I love the way Carrot Styx played "Can't Find My Way Home" and made it their own. I love that version more than the original. Way to go guys!!!

Any comments that you offer about Styx' music is irrelevant - because, by your own admission, you wouldn't like it no matter what it sounded like. They could never do ANYTHING to please you.

LOL, believe me there are ways I could be pleased, even by Carrot Styx :shock:

by **sadie65** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:08 am

I'll apologize if my intent wasn't clear. My sarcasm was added since I honestly thought my intent was clear with what I wrote. I'll certainly try harder in the future.

As for respect, I find that an interesting term to be used.

Peace

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:15 am

The "so" is that you wouldn't like this band no matter what their music was like, or how they performed, or you wouldn't say, "If Dennis left and gave them best wishes I would be supporting the hell out of them, big time."

Oh my gosh, I love the way Carrot Styx played "Can't Find My Way Home" and made it their own. I love that version more than the original. Way to go guys!!!

Giving compliments to ONE SONG does not mean you "like this band".

LOL, believe me there are ways I could be pleased, even by Carrot Styx

Oh really. What could they do MUSICALY to please you and make you like the band? I don't mean POLITICALY, such as : asking Dennis back into the band, or offering some words of apology, or not performing certain songs Dennis wrote or sang.

Your own words show you are coming from the same place froy does...Now you are trying to back track.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:47 am

Giving compliments to ONE SONG does not mean you "like this band".

I posted in the past that I liked a song off the Carrot cd that sounded like the song "Winter's Call" by Badlands. I don't know the name of it, but I really liked it. I didn't really care for the other songs off that album and I never liked the original songs that they did covers on their covers cd. I don't think they really changed the songs that much from the originals, just my opinion.

I guess I'll have to put in my copy of the Carrot cd and find out which song I'm talking about.

Oh really. What could they do MUSICALY to please you and make you like the band? I don't mean POLITICALY, such as : asking Dennis back into the band, or offering some words of apology, or not performing certain songs Dennis wrote or sang.

Have Tommy sing more on lead, add someone else to vocals for better harmonies. I really like Gowan as a person, great guy, but I really don't care for his singing. It's just not the Dennis songs, it's his voice on all the songs, even his solo. Just my opinion. I don't care for JY's singing either, I like his very, very, very early work but nothing recently. I enjoyed it when Glen was on the 3 part harmonies and now he's gone too.

Your own words show you are coming from the same place froy does...Now you are trying to back track.

Whatever, LOL :roll:

MR

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