MR

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:24 am**

Synopsis:
Styx are one of the most successful AOR bands of all time with worldwide album sales in the millions. On May 25, 2006 they took the stage in Cleveland for a new venture accompanied by the 115 piece Contemporary Youth Orchestra and a 60 member chorus. With a setlist that combined Styx classics, new songs and cover versions this was a truly unique event.
TRACKLISTING:
1) Blue Collar Man 2) Lorelei 3) One With Everything 4) It Don’t Make Sense (You Can’t Make Peace) 5) Can’t Find My Way Home 6) I Am The Walrus 7) Just Be

Everything All The Time 9) Crystal Ball 10) Miss America 11) Criminal Mind 12) Too Much Time On My Hands 13) Boat On The River 14) I Don’t Need No Doctor 15) Medley: Put Me On / Mademoiselle / Heavy Metal Poisoning / Midnight Ride / Sing For The Day / Shooz / Queen Of Spades / Great White Hope / Half Penny Two Penny / Borrowed Time / Rockin’ The Paradise / Lights / Man In The Wilderness 16) Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man) 17) Renegade.

http://www.bva.org.uk/content.asp?id=29415

OK, so it's the UK, but it must have a similar US release.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:03 am**

styxfanNH wrote:Synopsis:
Styx are one of the most successful AOR bands of all time with worldwide album sales in the millions. On May 25, 2006 they took the stage in Cleveland for a new venture accompanied by the 115 piece Contemporary Youth Orchestra and a 60 member chorus. With a setlist that combined Styx classics, new songs and cover versions this was a truly unique event.
TRACKLISTING:
1) Blue Collar Man 2) Lorelei 3) One With Everything 4) It Don’t Make Sense (You Can’t Make Peace) 5) Can’t Find My Way Home 6) I Am The Walrus 7) Just Be Everything All The Time 9) Crystal Ball 10) Miss America 11) Criminal Mind 12) Too Much Time On My Hands 13) Boat On The River 14) I Don’t Need No Doctor 15) Medley: Put Me On / Mademoiselle / Heavy Metal Poisoning / Midnight Ride / Sing For The Day / Shooz / Queen Of Spades / Great White Hope / Half Penny Two Penny / Borrowed Time / Rockin’ The Paradise / Lights / Man In The Wilderness 16) Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man) 17) Renegade.

http://www.bva.org.uk/content.asp?id=29415

OK, so it's the UK, but it must have a similar US release.

This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:14 am**

froy wrote:This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words

But *I'm* in it, Froy.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:36 am**

froy wrote:
styxfanNH wrote:Synopsis:
Styx are one of the most successful AOR bands of all time with worldwide album sales in the millions. On May 25, 2006 they took the stage in Cleveland for a new venture accompanied by the 115 piece Contemporary Youth Orchestra and a 60 member chorus. With a setlist that combined Styx classics, new songs and cover versions this was a truly unique event.
TRACKLISTING:
1) Blue Collar Man 2) Lorelei 3) One With Everything 4) It Don’t Make Sense (You Can’t Make Peace) 5) Can’t Find My Way Home 6) I Am The Walrus 7) Just Be Everything All The Time 9) Crystal Ball 10) Miss America 11) Criminal Mind 12) Too Much Time On My Hands 13) Boat On The River 14) I Don’t Need No Doctor 15) Medley: Put Me On / Mademoiselle / Heavy Metal Poisoning / Midnight Ride / Sing For The Day / Shooz / Queen Of Spades / Great White Hope / Half Penny Two Penny / Borrowed Time / Rockin’ The Paradise / Lights / Man In The Wilderness 16) Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man) 17) Renegade.

http://www.bva.org.uk/content.asp?id=29415

OK, so it's the UK, but it must have a similar US release.

This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words

Froy, I marked your words when you said it would never be released. :lol:

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:06 am**

Xan it really be a Styx concert without Come Sail Away?-ERIC

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:12 am**

styxfanNH wrote:Synopsis:
Styx are one of the most successful AOR bands of all time with worldwide album sales in the millions. On May 25, 2006 they took the stage in Cleveland for a new venture accompanied by the 115 piece Contemporary Youth Orchestra and a 60 member chorus. With a setlist that combined Styx classics, new songs and cover versions this was a truly unique event.
TRACKLISTING:
1) Blue Collar Man 2) Lorelei 3) One With Everything 4) It Don’t Make Sense (You Can’t Make Peace) 5) Can’t Find My Way Home 6) I Am The Walrus 7) Just Be Everything All The Time 9) Crystal Ball 10) Miss America 11) Criminal Mind 12) Too Much Time On My Hands 13) Boat On The River 14) I Don’t Need No Doctor 15) Medley: Put Me On / Mademoiselle / Heavy Metal Poisoning / Midnight Ride / Sing For The Day / Shooz / Queen Of Spades / Great White Hope / Half Penny Two Penny / Borrowed Time / Rockin’ The Paradise / Lights / Man In The Wilderness 16) Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man) 17) Renegade.

http://www.bva.org.uk/content.asp?id=29415

OK, so it's the UK, but it must have a similar US release.

FINALLY a DVD better than "Arch Allies". Too bad they couldn't strike up some agreement with DDY....it seems a little vacant without his songs. Erased from history.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:26 am**

Zan wrote:
froy wrote:This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words

But *I'm* in it, Froy.

Unless your topless this won't sell 1000 units now .

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:27 am**

OK, so it's the UK, but it must have a similar US release.

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This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words[/quote]

Froy, I marked your words when you said it would never be released. :lol:

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No that was an IMO not a mark my words
Hey how was that great hidden show on Sunday
Tell us all about it seeing that were not good enough to be in on it,

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:35 am**

It's an incomplete concert, but you get both new songs + the two Christmas ones. I'm surprised at that.

I guess since they financed it themselves and ultimately have to pay royalties, they figure they've given DDY enough money.

I'm getting it, but it looks like something I'll play once and sit on the shelf with the rest of the collection.

I think it'll sell OK, but not great. 5000 may be a bit low, but I would be shocked if it hit much above 30000 worldwide.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:30 pm**

froy wrote:
OK, so it's the UK, but it must have a similar US release.

This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words[/quote]

Froy, I marked your words when you said it would never be released. :lol:

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No that was an IMO not a mark my words
Hey how was that great hidden show on Sunday
Tell us all about it seeing that were not good enough to be in on it,[/quote]

Froy, I didn’t know it was a secret show. It was well advertised on the Schaumburg fest website. He played about 2 hours. It was nice to hear Pieces of Eight and Castle Walls. Glen was there and did nothing but sing Edge of the Century. He was playing rhythm guitar on everything else but you could not hear his guitar at all. It seemed strange to see Glen come out before the show and set up his own stuff and tune his own guitar. Quit a change from what he was used to in Styx. The crowd was about 2 to 3 thousand people and when Dennis asked the crowd if they had ever seen him with or without Styx I would say that more then half said no. At one point he mentioned Chuck and Tommy by name when talking about the old days. The band was good but not on par with Styx. Dennis did not even play the keyboard on Suite Madam Blue or much of anything else for that matter. I will be seeing Styx on Friday so I will plan on posting an honest comparison next week.

He played no new songs nor did he mention anything about a new CD.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:52 pm**

Escape79 wrote:FINALLY a DVD better than "Arch Allies". Too bad they couldn't strike up some agreement with DDY....it seems a little vacant without his songs. Erased from history.

To be fair.... they didn't intentionally leave off the DDY numbers. Any time you do this to music you need agreement of the songwriters to release it. As per publishing law, they can perform the modified versions, but they cannot release any recordings of them (and I don't honestly think any recording can legally be made of them).... so unless Dennis says "yes you can do it" they wouldn't be able to even if they wanted to.

Frankly - yet another live album or DVD or whatever - symphony or not - isn't going to bring them new listeners or new fans. And this is assuming that isn't a moot point anyway.

Since Dennis was a co-writer on Loreli, I'm kinda surprised that one was included. JY must have > 50% of the publishing on that song, or the law must be different for co-written songs.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:56 pm**

StyxCollector wrote:It's an incomplete concert, but you get both new songs + the two Christmas ones. I'm surprised at that.

I guess since they financed it themselves and ultimately have to pay royalties, they figure they've given DDY enough money.

I'm getting it, but it looks like something I'll play once and sit on the shelf with the rest of the collection.

I think it'll sell OK, but not great. 5000 may be a bit low, but I would be shocked if it hit much above 30000 worldwide.

I think I addressed this in my post above, but I'll clarify. Tommy and JY cannot release a video version of Come Sail Away even if they performed it note for note, word for word the way it was on the album because video is considered an interpretative work - and as such you need permission from the song writer to release it in it's modified form. It's why they could release CSA on a live "album" as long as the arrangement and lyrics were unaltered. This would be true of all Dennis' music with Styx.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:23 pm**

styxfanNH wrote:TRACKLISTING:
1) Blue Collar Man 2) Lorelei 3) One With Everything 4) It Don’t Make Sense (You Can’t Make Peace) 5) Can’t Find My Way Home 6) I Am The Walrus 7) Just Be Everything All The Time 9) Crystal Ball 10) Miss America 11) Criminal Mind 12) Too Much Time On My Hands 13) Boat On The River 14) I Don’t Need No Doctor 15) Medley: Put Me On / Mademoiselle / Heavy Metal Poisoning / Midnight Ride / Sing For The Day / Shooz / Queen Of Spades / Great White Hope / Half Penny Two Penny / Borrowed Time / Rockin’ The Paradise / Lights / Man In The Wilderness 16) Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man) 17) Renegade.

I am really looking forward to this. I am also looking forward to the debut on HDNet. That should look really nice.

It's too bad they couldn't include Come Sail Away and the Grand Illusion. But I do like the variety in the setlist, and I am eager to hear (see) the new songs.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:29 pm**

froy wrote:
No that was an IMO not a mark my words
Hey how was that great hidden show on Sunday
Tell us all about it seeing that were not good enough to be in on it,

Hidden show - LOL That's funny! LOL

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:51 am**

Did I mention that November 13th is my birthday?

How cool is that? Zan, and it's being released on my birthday.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:32 am**

OrlandoChris wrote:Did I mention that November 13th is my birthday?

How cool is that? Zan, and it's being released on my birthday.

I told them to do it that way.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:14 am**

I'd buy 1000 copies myself to see Zan topless :shock:

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:48 am**

I Stumble In wrote:I'd buy 1000 copies myself to see Zan topless

Doesn't look like there is much there to me...

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:53 am**

Sounds like a pretty interesting set list. Some of these I don't think would lend themselves to an orchestra, but we'll see. As far as sales go, Dennis' orchestral set has demonstrated there is a market for this kind of thing, but whether there's a market for two of them, I guess we're about to find out.
As far as Dennis' songs go, it is my understanding that part of the settlement was that Gowan can no longer be filmed doing Dennis songs for release. Perhaps Dennis felt that thay had exploited those songs on enough live releases already? "Lorelei" would not be subject because it is co-credited.
I hope this is really good and does well.

Sterling

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:48 am**

Escape79 wrote:Too bad they couldn't strike up some agreement with DDY....it seems a little vacant without his songs. Erased from history.

Erased....from existence! [/Doc Brown]

Even in the Medley, it seems. Wonder how awkward that editing job is going to be...

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:15 am**

stabbim wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Too bad they couldn't strike up some agreement with DDY....it seems a little vacant without his songs. Erased from history.

Erased....from existence! [/Doc Brown]

Even in the Medley, it seems. Wonder how awkward that editing job is going to be...

Zan will correct me if I'm wrong because she was there, but I believe for this show Styx had reworked the medley as you see there - basicly they took out Dennis' songs. So the editing isn't going to be the issue, instead it would be the transitions as this is the only time they played the medley this way.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:58 am**

styxfanNH wrote:
stabbim wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Too bad they couldn't strike up some agreement with DDY....it seems a little vacant without his songs. Erased from history.

Erased....from existence! [/Doc Brown]

Even in the Medley, it seems. Wonder how awkward that editing job is going to be...

Zan will correct me if I'm wrong because she was there, but I believe for this show Styx had reworked the medley as you see there - basicly they took out Dennis' songs. So the editing isn't going to be the issue, instead it would be the transitions as this is the only time they played the medley this way.

You are correct. The medley was reworked for the show. The Dennis songs were removed from it that night.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:56 am**

rajah2165 wrote:
I Stumble In wrote:I'd buy 1000 copies myself to see Zan topless

Doesn't look like there is much there to me...

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:25 pm**

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:00 pm**

Ash wrote:
StyxCollector wrote:It's an incomplete concert, but you get both new songs + the two Christmas ones. I'm surprised at that.

I guess since they financed it themselves and ultimately have to pay royalties, they figure they've given DDY enough money.

I'm getting it, but it looks like something I'll play once and sit on the shelf with the rest of the collection.

I think it'll sell OK, but not great. 5000 may be a bit low, but I would be shocked if it hit much above 30000 worldwide.

I think I addressed this in my post above, but I'll clarify. Tommy and JY cannot release a video version of Come Sail Away even if they performed it note for note, word for word the way it was on the album because video is considered an interpretative work - and as such you need permission from the song writer to release it in it's modified form. It's why they could release CSA on a live "album" as long as the arrangement and lyrics were unaltered. This would be true of all Dennis' music with Styx.

I know all about mechanical licensing being a musician myself ... sync'ing video to audio is a whole different shebang and does require permission. My guess is the audio CD version will have some of the DDY points.

My guess is that it's more than that, though. Nothing is ever cut and dry with this band.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:43 pm**

Zan wrote:

You are correct. The medley was reworked for the show. The Dennis songs were removed from it that night.

Ok, that should be cool then. The way that EOTC was cut on Arch Allies still bugs me....this would have been infinitely scarier.

Abitaman wrote:Xan it really be a Styx concert without Come Sail Away?-ERIC

If only....

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:24 am**

Zan wrote:
froy wrote:This won't even sell 5000 units mark my words

But *I'm* in it, Froy.

Yep, you and Dayle will sell 5000 copies whether Styx is on it or not.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:29 am**

Well if it's just a DVD, selling 5000 copies is a good thing isn't it?

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:56 pm**

uhhhhh. no thanks. I have enough live stuff already. I'll pass on this one. I do not like orchestra stuff anyway, it is the bandwagon thing to do. Count me out.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:49 pm**

FormerDJMike wrote:uhhhhh. no thanks. I have enough live stuff already. I'll pass on this one. I do not like orchestra stuff anyway, it is the bandwagon thing to do. Count me out.

Did I mention that I was in it? *g*

MR

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