KICK JY OUT OF STYX

[rajah2165]

Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

2. His voice is terrible

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.

Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

[styxfanNH]

You have to wait for Froy's Styx Boycot to take hold first....

[Ash]

Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

2. His voice is terrible

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.

Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

The drummer's name is Kyle Woodring.

[styxfansite]

[/quote]rajah2165 wrote:
Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

2. His voice is terrible

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.

Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

First of all I love Styx for stuff they put out prior to 2000, so that is why my post sounds like it does.

Ok I know there are many that don't care for Jy, me for one, but I cannot picture a Styx band or reunion if you like without him. I really think that if Jy would appologize to Dennis, it might work, I don't know for how long, but it might. Face it all the guys are in there 50's and almost 60. They may not be able to perform much longer anyway without there geretol . I for one would love to see everyone back, but John is gone and Chuck is ill and can only do so many shows, so I know that cannot happen. To make everyone happy, Styx needs to be DDY, TS, Jy,Todd, and Chuck or Glen. If Jy was kicked out, then the Jy fans will be doing the same thing we do for Dennis, trying to get him back.

Todd has done nothing wrong. He only plays what they tell him to play. I am not saying I don't want Kyle, it is just that I don't know anything about Kyle. I know that Todd was picked to replace John and he has done a great job since.

Thanks

[styxfansite]

Dang it..... Put the quotes in the wrong place.....

[AnnieOprah]

rajah2165 wrote:
Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

2. His voice is terrible

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.

Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

First of all I love Styx for stuff they put out prior to 2000, so that is why my post sounds like it does.

Ok I know there are many that don't care for Jy, me for one, but I cannot picture a Styx band or reunion if you like without him. I really think that if Jy would appologize to Dennis, it might work, I don't know for how long, but it might. Face it all the guys are in there 50's and almost 60. They may not be able to perform much longer anyway without there geretol . I for one would love to see everyone back, but John is gone and Chuck is ill and can only do so many shows, so I know that cannot happen. To make everyone happy, Styx needs to be DDY, TS, Jy,Todd, and Chuck or Glen. If Jy was kicked out, then the Jy fans will be doing the same thing we do for Dennis, trying to get him back.

Todd has done nothing wrong. He only plays what they tell him to play. I am not saying I don't want Kyle, it is just that I don't know anything about Kyle. I know that Todd was picked to replace John and he has done a great job since.

Thanks

[/quote]

I hear your point, but does JY really have any fans? How many Styx fans out there say that JY is their favorite? I mean isn't always Tommy or Dennis? (or in a few cases Glen?)

[styxfansite]

I like what Tommy called them in the "Return To Paradise" Dvd, he said that STYX is a family. I think it is a family that has problems, but never or less a family. Fans or not, I think they should be together, it is chemistry. It would be like Pink Floyd without Roger Waters and Journey without SP, Beach Boys without Brian and Carl, and Styx now without DDY. Without Todd and Jy, Styx will not be STYX.

[shaka]

JY a mediocre guitarist? Time to lay off the weed.

Kyle is a good drummer but he isn't in the same class as Todd. Todd is an elite drummer.

[DerriD]

I still like my line-up of:

Dennis
Tommy
Glen
Todd
Ricky
Larry

Keeps the line-up shifting to a minimum. Keeps the four best vocalists in the band (yes I have been converted to Larry's side after Big Bang). I know that some people could never imagine Dennis and Larry together, but really many bands have two keyboardists (Chicago for instance). It would actually enrich the Styx sound. Not to mention Dennis likes to sing out front on many of his own songs and Larry could back him up great. Glen is a better singer/songwriter than JY, has more stage presence and a much more balanced ego. I will say that JY is a skilled guitar player, just not a virtuoso. Todd and Ricky are an accomplished rythem section so leave them be. Dennis and Tommy bring in the fans...period! As long as Dennis can keep the theatrics to a minimum and concede some control to the others, it would be one hell of a band and I think everyone would be happy. After a month or two, Tommy could start talking about how STYX 7.0 is the best lineup ever!

[yogi]

Boy rajah are you ever green. What was that little green guys name that used to hang around Fred and Barney and give them advice???? Was it rajah?? Gazoo???

At anyrate you really OVERESTIMATE our importance here. I am sure a petition started by you would hold alot of weight with the band.

Keep trying though and every 5 minutes utter these words to yourself:

Styx and its members will listen to what rajah says
Styx and its members will listen to what rajah says
Styx and its members will listen to what rajah says

[gr8dane]

rajah2165 wrote:
Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

2. His voice is terrible

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.

Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

First of all I love Styx for stuff they put out prior to 2000, so that is why my post sounds like it does.

Ok I know there are many that don't care for Jy, me for one, but I cannot picture a Styx band or reunion if you like without him. I really think that if Jy would appologize to Dennis, it might work, I don't know for how long, but it might. Face it all the guys are in there 50's and almost 60. They may not be able to perform much longer anyway without there geretol . I for one would love to see everyone back, but John is gone and Chuck is ill and can only do so many shows, so I know that cannot happen. To make everyone happy, Styx needs to be DDY, TS, Jy,Todd, and Chuck or Glen. If Jy was kicked out, then the Jy fans will be doing the same thing we do for Dennis, trying to get him back.

Todd has done nothing wrong. He only plays what they tell him to play. I am not saying I don't want Kyle, it is just that I don't know anything about Kyle. I know that Todd was picked to replace John and he has done a great job since.

Thanks

I hear your point, but does JY really have any fans? How many Styx fans out there say that JY is their favorite? I mean isn't always Tommy or Dennis? (or in a few cases Glen?)[/quote]

As a matter of fact.I vote for a JY led Styx.Then I get some grit in my Styx.

[ChicagoSTYX]

There is no Styx without JY! Like it or not JY and Tommy are Styx and that will not change. I like it! DDY is fine right where he is. Outside looking in.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

There is no Styx without JY! Like it or not JY and Tommy are Styx and that will not change. I like it! DDY is fine right where he is. Outside looking in.

That's not really nice to say that Dennis is "outside looking in". That's sad. He never wanted to leave Styx and would go back in a heartbeat. Styx was his baby and then it's gone. He's very passionate about Styx and the music of Styx. He doesn't cut down the guys in interviews or on the radio.

IMO, JY is Styx, he's the one in charge of the business at this point. IMO

[mr.v]

I know you guys dis JY so much because he is outspoken in his feelings toward DDY but JY's guitar style and sound are one of the things that made and still makes STYX a unique sounding band. You could ax JY and bring back Glen but Glen or Tommy for that matter could never get the sound and tone that JY does. So now you are going out looking for another guitar player that can find the right processor to duplicate JY's sound and that can play the same notes but it still wouldn't be JY. Just look at DDY's new band. The keyboard player that he brings with him plays amazingly and the keyboard sounds like the ones DDY played back in the day but you can still tell the difference. It sounds like him but it is not DDY playing, it's personal style. The closeist your are ever going to get to the original STYX is if DDY comes back, Larry Goes away and Chuck's health makes it to where he is able again to tour. But it still won't sound just like the old STYX because Todd is a heck of a lot better drummer that John was. Every Player change changes the sound. You take JY (like him or not) out of the equation and you are just getting away from what you want that much more.

now back to lurking.....

[Rockwriter]

Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

He co-wrote "Lorelei" and "Love At First Sight" as well as "Rockin' The Paradise".

2. His voice is terrible

I concede he is not the radio-ready lead singer that DDY or Tommy are, but his voice is an essential ingredient in the Styx harmonies.

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

Well, it's just limited. He does essentially one thing, as opposed to Tommy or Glen who play a lot of different styles (particularly Tommy). But he does that one thing very well within the context of Styx.

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

I agree he needs to shut up about that at this point, and have thought so for several years in fact

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.


Todd Sucherman is far superior as a drummer, in my view.


Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

I don't think that will ever happen because JY holds so much off stage power. Tommy is the creative leader now, but he has no business or financial sense whatsoever. JY's greatest contribution to Styx - as it always has been - is his offstage ability to get things together, organize the logistics of projects, facilitate for the stars, and get the proper information to the proper people so that the proper decisions can be made. He is too valuable to lose in that regard.

I think what really needs to happen is that JY needs to realize the genuine value that Dennis brought to the band and learn to accept that while he may not like it, that doesn't mean that the world does not. Just my opinion!

I hope all is well.


Sterling

[sadie65]

While I dislike JY's comments over the years, I respect the fact that he is a large part of what made Styx what they are....both good and bad.

I don't think he should be removed from the band, though I also don't see him wanting to be a part of something that includes Dennis these days. Whatever his issues with the man, be they justified or not, he clearly feels a need to keep that distance between them.

Were the various lineups touted here to join forces, I think it would fall somewhat short. Puzzle pieces only go together certain ways. Changing a piece won't make the puzzle complete.

[shaka]

In spite of the stupidity that is the first post of this thread there have been some really good replies.

Vetch, you're exactly right. A guitar players tone is mostly in his hands. JY's hands playing a vintage strat combined with the Yoshinerator (I wonder if it's not just a modded tube screamer clone) slamming the front end of a Marshall Plexi is one half of the guitar sound of Styx which, in spite of Dennis' great keyboard playiing, is a guitar driven band.

Stirling, your post was great as well. Some of our fellow posters think JY would be pumping gas without Dennis. Let us not forget JY is probably the smartest member of Styx. If Styx never made it and all were forced to work regular jobs JY, by virtue of his field of study, would have the most earning potential by far. With that said it would be nice if JY could try and put a few things aside and start to warm up to the idea of an eventual reunion.

I think the posts about Glen taking the place of JY are a little strange. I love Glen and believe he's a great talent but could he stand up there and cop JY's raging guitar solo's? I'm not sure. While Glen can play the guitar I've never seen his playing as his strength. Glen's strength's are his songwriting, vocal ability, and showmanship. I've never pictured Glen as much of a shredder on the guitar but then again I may be wrong.

Eric

[Ash]

Stirling, your post was great as well. Some of our fellow posters think JY would be pumping gas without Dennis. Let us not forget JY is probably the smartest member of Styx. If Styx never made it and all were forced to work regular jobs JY, by virtue of his field of study, would have the most earning potential by far. With that said it would be nice if JY could try and put a few things aside and start to warm up to the idea of an eventual reunion.

Pumping gas? Nah..... waiting tables maybe, but not pumping gas.


How many people in this forum are working in fields they got their degree in. If it's ridiculous for myself or someone else to speculate on what Mr. Young might be doing had Styx never happened - then I think it's pretty much the same for anyone else too. Tom Scholz from Boston has a masters of Engineering degree from MIT (which he received in 1969) and was one of the pioneering developers behind the Poloroid camera before Boston took off. Now *THAT* is a smart guy. Shame the original members of Boston couldn't keep it together - damn good band that was.

[froy]

Lets start the campaign NOW!

Get this egomaniac out of this band. What has he ever done?

1. He never wrote or sang any type of a hit song (no Miss America wasn't really a hit).

2. His voice is terrible

3. His guitar playing is mediocre

4. He is a bitter, bitter man who only likes to tear down Dennis

5. The following lineup is much superior than what is currently touring as Styx -

DDY, TS, Glen Burtnik, DDY's Drummer, and Hank Horton.

Lets start it now...get the optimal line-up of Styx in place - and that line-up does NOT include JY.

Im really not for JY being kicked out
Im more for him having his mouth closed for good
JY just like Dennis is a member of STYX love him or leave him

[ChicagoSTYX]

There is no Styx without JY! Like it or not JY and Tommy are Styx and that will not change. I like it! DDY is fine right where he is. Outside looking in.

That's not really nice to say that Dennis is "outside looking in". That's sad. He never wanted to leave Styx and would go back in a heartbeat. Styx was his baby and then it's gone. He's very passionate about Styx and the music of Styx. He doesn't cut down the guys in interviews or on the radio.

IMO, JY is Styx, he's the one in charge of the business at this point. IMO

I know that DDY did not want to leave the band. But he also only wanted to be in the band on his terms. It always seemed to be his way or the highway. I remember Chuck’s comment about getting tired of wait around for 2 or 3 years for DDY to feel like touring. Back in 1994 I heard DDY on the radio in Chicago. He was being interviewed on WGN about his roll in JCSS. He was taking calls and I got through and asked him if there were any plans for Styx to do anything. His reply to me was “there has been enough Styx for awhile; I have no plans to do anything with the band.” My opinion of him changed from that day on. The part that got me was him saying that there had been enough Styx for awhile. I fully understand where JY, Chuck, and Tommy are coming from. They want to play full time. DDY has a different agenda and that’s fine for him.

Haven’t we been here before?

[StyxCollector]

He was taking calls and I got through and asked him if there were any plans for Styx to do anything. His reply to me was “there has been enough Styx for awhile; I have no plans to do anything with the band.” My opinion of him changed from that day on. The part that got me was him saying that there had been enough Styx for awhile. I fully understand where JY, Chuck, and Tommy are coming from. They want to play full time. DDY has a different agenda and that’s fine for him.

Haven’t we been here before?

I think you need to put it in context: they had been shopping Son of Edge going on 3 years with no takers. (Not going to get into placing blame on who cost Styx their deal in this reply ... shared blame if you ask me) Point is, by 1994, there was really no hope for Styx at that point in terms of being a truly viable band. So for you to have animosity to this day not knowing the back story which you know now seems silly to me.

Greatest Hits in 1995 cranked the machine up again.

Now, as I've said a million times before, out of all of them, DDY needs Styx the least from a financial standpoint. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to do Styx, but he doesn't need to do it 200+ days a year on the road. I'm sorry, touring I'm sure can be fun, but when you're on the road that much - and I know a bit about it - after awhile, it's work.

Tommy genuinely loves to play live, DDY likes it but not as much, and JY has no choice if he wants to make money.

This has nothing to do really with DDY not touring so much as it does with money if you ask me.

[shaka]

Stirling, your post was great as well. Some of our fellow posters think JY would be pumping gas without Dennis. Let us not forget JY is probably the smartest member of Styx. If Styx never made it and all were forced to work regular jobs JY, by virtue of his field of study, would have the most earning potential by far. With that said it would be nice if JY could try and put a few things aside and start to warm up to the idea of an eventual reunion.

Pumping gas? Nah..... waiting tables maybe, but not pumping gas.


How many people in this forum are working in fields they got their degree in. If it's ridiculous for myself or someone else to speculate on what Mr. Young might be doing had Styx never happened - then I think it's pretty much the same for anyone else too. Tom Scholz from Boston has a masters of Engineering degree from MIT (which he received in 1969) and was one of the pioneering developers behind the Poloroid camera before Boston took off. Now *THAT* is a smart guy. Shame the original members of Boston couldn't keep it together - damn good band that was.

Good post. I graduated in computer science and now work as a marketing rep/account exec. My point was to illustrate that JY's educational path would put him in position to earn more than a public school teacher which is Dennis, Chuck, and John's career path. Tommy, didn't graduate high school so it's a good thing the rock thing worked out! lol

I would imagine that if JY hadn't have hit it big he'd have fallen back on his education. Considering what aeronautical engineers make these days it would have been a pretty cushy fall. lol

Eric

[froy]

Back in 1994 I heard DDY on the radio in Chicago. He was being interviewed on WGN about his roll in JCSS. He was taking calls and I got through and asked him if there were any plans for Styx to do anything. His reply to me was “there has been enough Styx for awhile; I have no plans to do anything with the band.” My opinion of him changed from that day on. The part that got me was him saying that there had been enough Styx for awhile. I fully understand where JY, Chuck, and Tommy are coming from. They want to play full time. DDY has a different agenda and that’s fine for him.

Im sorry but in 1994 there was no Tommy Shaw there was EDGE 2 which did not sell
Even though it was a great cd

Dennis is right to much STYX means just playing for the money
Thats todays STYX playing for the money and not for the love of the music
You want a band that just plays for money god bless
Not me.

[Jodes]

Froy, there was no Edge 2.. Of course it didnt' sell.. It wasn't released!

[Liam]

Froy, there was no Edge 2.. Of course it didnt' sell.. It wasn't released!

Speaking of....does anyone have the demos of Edge2?

[styxfansite]

Now, as I've said a million times before, out of all of them, DDY needs Styx the least from a financial standpoint. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to do Styx, but he doesn't need to do it 200+ days a year on the road. I'm sorry, touring I'm sure can be fun, but when you're on the road that much - and I know a bit about it - after awhile, it's work.

If I remember right, wasn't this one of the reasons for Glen Leaving. Doing this many shows in a year,didn't leave much family time for him. I know there was other problems with the other members to, but the 200 shows was one of the reasons.

If they did at least 100 shows a year (maybe hitting every state once and some other places like canada, uk) it would be ok with me. If you have a big crowd at one of the shows, then add another date for it later at the end of the year.

[froy]

Froy, there was no Edge 2.. Of course it didnt' sell.. It wasn't released!

It did not sell because no record company wanted to buy it
Thats what I meant

[ChicagoSTYX]

Now, as I've said a million times before, out of all of them, DDY needs Styx the least from a financial standpoint. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to do Styx, but he doesn't need to do it 200+ days a year on the road. I'm sorry, touring I'm sure can be fun, but when you're on the road that much - and I know a bit about it - after awhile, it's work.

If I remember right, wasn't this one of the reasons for Glen Leaving. Doing this many shows in a year,didn't leave much family time for him. I know there was other problems with the other members to, but the 200 shows was one of the reasons.

If they did at least 100 shows a year (maybe hitting every state once and some other places like canada, uk) it would be ok with me. If you have a big crowd at one of the shows, then add another date for it later at the end of the year.

It would be more like 35 shows every 2 or 3 years with DDY.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

It would be more like 35 shows every 2 or 3 years with DDY.

OMG, you sure are a smartass!!!

This year he did a lot more shows than he has in a long time. It's nice that he can "go to work" when he wants to. He's happy

[ChicagoSTYX]

It would be more like 35 shows every 2 or 3 years with DDY.

OMG, you sure are a smartass!!!

This year he did a lot more shows than he has in a long time. It's nice that he can "go to work" when he wants to. He's happy

I agree, he seems very happy doing what he's doing! So why try to change it. Keep it up DDY and for gods sake will you record some new music! After 20 years I'm expecting something Great!!