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Who needs suspense... I'll just hand these out.

Here are the soundscan numbers I got from a friend of mine in the biz here in Nashville who has access to it.

These are the sales numbers through the end of last week for CYO for the US and Canada for the DVD and CD:

US DVD 7540
US CD 8567
CAN DVD 1038
CAN CD 275

That's way more than I thought.


Bugsy

Better than nothing, but not much. Holy crap.
Not sure what the heck a CLASSIC ROCK BAND has to do to sell records these days. Are Itunes downloads counted? I listened to a classic rock station today that in the morning has talk. They were debating with their staff and callers about "Should we play new music by classic rock artists?". They were CLEARLY saying they shouldn't. Short sighted f'ers they are. They'll dis Mccartney and Jagger as being "Glue" or "has beens" yet as soon as the Stones or Macca tours, this station is clamouring for interviews with them and hyping the show. The second they leave town, they're back to dissing them. I hate the way radio is these days. Absolute sh*t.

John Cougar, who's running a new (and quite good )song in the new Chevy commercials said something to the effect of
"Chevy's been a better record company to me than Columbia ever was" or something similar.
Maybe Styx and Dennis should look at those avenues...

You have to take those sales figures with a grain of salt.

Those figures do NOT include internet sales.

Amazon.com, Bestbuy.com ect...... are not included on soundscans sales.

I believe the majority of our age group purchase their music in some form from the internet.

Well I can tell you that the CD is very hard to find in Canada, I personally have only seen it at one store in Edmonton.

The DVD though seems to be in a few different stores, yet isn't available at Futureshop.ca or Bestbuy.ca (yet)

Over a 1000 copies of the DVD sold in Canada? Honestly.. wow. This could be a good thing. 5000 copies of a DVD sold in Canada is gold.

Air it on HDTV in Canada, etc and it could be gold before the fall.

Here's an idea Styx.. Maybe if you played more then ONE Canadian date a year, you'd sell more DVDs!

These results are pathetic.

275 CD's in Canada? I sold more copies of Tony Carey's Retrospective to Canada than that when I was running my indie record company and only 2000 of those were ever made.

they've sold < 10,000 CD's ... how many more albums could be bought via Amazon.com? Seriously? Do you think it's double that number? Even if it were (which I would never believe) - thats still pathetic.. especially on the heels of what the band themselves called their biggest album debut in 20 years (BBT)

These numbers are enemic, pathetic and otherwise just damn reflective of the rejection of this piece of recorded work. It's not an indictment of the band, but it is an indictment of the work...

Jodes wrote:Well I can tell you that the CD is very hard to find in Canada, I personally have only seen it at one store in Edmonton.

The DVD though seems to be in a few different stores, yet isn't available at Futureshop.ca or Bestbuy.ca (yet)

Over a 1000 copies of the DVD sold in Canada? Honestly.. wow. This could be a good thing. 5000 copies of a DVD sold in Canada is gold.

Air it on HDTV in Canada, etc and it could be gold before the fall.

Here's an idea Styx.. Maybe if you played more then ONE Canadian date a year, you'd sell more DVDs!

I heard 50,000 DVD's in Canada is gold, not 5,0000

yogi wrote:You have to take those sales figures with a grain of salt.

Those figures do NOT include internet sales.

Amazon.com, Bestbuy.com ect...... are not included on soundscans sales.

I believe the majority of our age group purchase their music in some form from the internet.

Totally true... the CD is a dying breed. That statement has been everywhere. I can't believe that they haven't revamped the charts to reflect this. The "industry" is bitching about poor sales and that music sales are in a slump. I don't think that's correct...
Internet sales are making up the bulk of music sales these days, yet they don't seem to be counted.
Those CD numbers do NOT reflext who's buying what. The DVD numbers would probably be accurate though.

Ash wrote:Who needs suspense... I'll just hand these out.

Here are the soundscan numbers I got from a friend of mine in the biz here in Nashville who has access to it.

These are the sales numbers through the end of last week for CYO for the US and Canada for the DVD and CD:

US DVD 7540
US CD 8567
CAN DVD 1038
CAN CD 275

Far cry from the 3 million plus that Grand Illusion, Pieces of 8, Cornerstone, and Paradise did....

Anyone know if any of those albums above are close to going 4x platinum?
Is Kilroy close to going 2x platinum?
Is Edge, Crystal Ball, Styx II, or Equinox close to going platinum?
Is Greatest Hits close to going 3x platinum?
Is Greatest Hits II close to going gold?

Intriguing minds want to know! How do we find out that type of information? Is it public?

rajah2165 wrote:

Far cry from the 3 million plus that Grand Illusion, Pieces of 8, Cornerstone, and Paradise did....

Once again- CDs (PHYSICAL ONES) ARE NOT SELLING ANYMORE PERIOD. The electronic download has FARRRRRRRRR surpassed physical CD sales. For all we know (and nobody seems to be able to tell), the electronic versions of the CD could be doing big business (doubt it, but you can't go by CD sales and Billboard and Soundscan charts anymore. They're useless info nowadays.

Ash wrote:Who needs suspense... I'll just hand these out.

Here are the soundscan numbers I got from a friend of mine in the biz here in Nashville who has access to it.

These are the sales numbers through the end of last week for CYO for the US and Canada for the DVD and CD:

US DVD 7540
US CD 8567
CAN DVD 1038
CAN CD 275

Maybe now when someone does a write up on this farse they can say the aluminum selling band instead of platinum .
Now do you all see what I have been saying
They lost money on this dvd
Its over Shaw and Young close it down
Gowan was a mistake freakin admit it already

Even Cyclorama and other stuff sold much better. This isn't just that physical product isn't selling - this is an outright sign that whatever this release is, people flatly didn't go out and buy it. Me, I own at least about a 1/2 dozen copied between promos and such I think I did my part!

Here is a bit of info on Soundscan:


• Who uses Nielsen SoundScan data?
Nielsen SoundScan clients include all major and most independent record companies, distribution companies, artist managers, booking agents, concert promoters, venue owners, traditional retailers, online retailers and digital delivery companies.
Since March 1, 1991, Billboard Magazine charts have been constructed directly from Nielsen SoundScan data. MTV, VH1, CMT and all major media regularly use Nielsen SoundScan data as well.
• Who reports sales to Nielsen SoundScan and is there a list of reporting Retailers available?
Nielsen SoundScan collects point-of-sales information from Retail, Mass Merchant, Independent Retail, Internet Retail sites, Venues, Mail Order and Digital Download providers.
Due to confidentiality agreements with our information providers, we cannot supply a list of reporting stores or web sites.

Amazon.com is one of the reporting retailers, I know for a fact.

Brywool is right in that digital sales are a huge part of the overall market now. Those figures are recorded as well, but am not sure where one can obtain them.
I know Billboard keeps track of digital sales and has a separate digital sales chart.

Right now, I believe gold, platinum etc. certification are separate for digital sales and for physical sales.

At some point, I think certification will need to be re-thought. It is way behind the times.


Bugsy

Lets play the Froy drinking game.

For everytime since 1999 he said 'It's Over' all of us that have supported the current rendition of Styx must take a drink.


How damn drunk would we be??????????


Fox News, CNN & the AP are reporting...... for some unknown reason some 3000+ people ranging in age from 29 - 46 died today of alcohol poisoning. No one knows why. Stay tune for more information.

yogi wrote:Lets play the Froy drinking game.

For everytime since 1999 he said 'It's Over' all of us that have supported the current rendition of Styx must take a drink.


How damn drunk would we be??????????


Fox news reports & the AP are reporting...... for some unknown reason some 3000 people ranging in age from 29 - 46 died today of alcohol poisoning.

IT'S OVER no fans left

froy wrote:

Ash wrote:Who needs suspense... I'll just hand these out.

Here are the soundscan numbers I got from a friend of mine in the biz here in Nashville who has access to it.

These are the sales numbers through the end of last week for CYO for the US and Canada for the DVD and CD:

US DVD 7540
US CD 8567
CAN DVD 1038
CAN CD 275

Maybe now when someone does a write up on this farse they can say the aluminum selling band instead of platinum .
Now do you all see what I have been saying
They lost money on this dvd
Its over Shaw and Young close it down
Gowan was a mistake freakin admit it already

Yeah you're right, they should all just park the car in the garage and let the motor run making sure the air hose reaches the driver's window then roll all the windows up....

It's ALL because Dennis ain't there. I guess they could've released "The HunchBack" as Styx and gone out with no CD sales and being accused of being "Broadway Sellouts". Instead, they're touring the country and selling concert tickets and ROCKING. Nobody in Classic Rock status is selling out stadiums dude. Wake the hell up. I guess those concerts aren't the same without hearing "WE HAD DREAMS" EVERYTIME that Come Sail Away is played. Maybe DeYoung's wife should be singing with Styx as well. It has nothing to do with the fact that the band is 35 years old and that CDs do not sell for anyone anymore.

Jesus, read Rolling Stone, the number one album was Chris Daughtry's album. It sold 65,000 to make it number one across the USA. THAT'S NOTHING in terms of what album sales were in 1977.

Maybe the reason neither of them (Deyoung or Styx) is doing that great is because guys like you keep living in the past and won't let the friggin' band EVOLVE.
Bunch of friggin' babies...

People are getting their music from downloads or from friends. They're not walking into DJs Record Store any longer. MANY CD stores have gone out of business because nobody's buying CDs. But yeah, maybe we just sit and berate the band for still continuing on. Yeah, they suck. I hate them!
Can I have a cookie now?

Oh hey, You know why the US is war with Iraq? Because Dennis ain't in Styx. Duh, everybody knows that!

Nope.. GOLD CD in Canada is 50 000 copies

Gold DVD is 5000 copies

Perhaps Stynx will finally see the writing on the wall with those horrendous sales figures. It may be unfair that listeners don't care about the new music of classic rock bands, but it's a fact.

JY needs to call DDY on the phone and get things patched up. If their lot in life is to do endless summer tours on the Oldies Circuit, then they should at least do it with their classic lineup.

Advice to JY: say hi to Kevin Cronin while you're out there on the road.

But Blue.. If Dennis wasn't willing to be cooperative with the Brave New World sessions, what makes you think that any new music by Styx (with him in it) will sell more then 100 000 copies?

Hell BNW didn't even go gold in Canada, and usually Canada is the market they get album awards from first.

Hell, BNW only sold 72 000 copies in the US with Dennis IN the band.

Jodes wrote:Hell, BNW only sold 72 000 copies in the US with Dennis IN the band.

True enough. But BNW was a patchwork album with weak songs that wasn't a 'team' effort. The album had almost no marketing behind it and the tour to support did not have Dennis in the band. All that said, 72000 is TEN TIMES this latest release. Enough already with the live albums, at least Cyclorama was a solid effort. Fans are getting tired of a live release EVERY SINGLE year.

brywool wrote:

rajah2165 wrote:

Far cry from the 3 million plus that Grand Illusion, Pieces of 8, Cornerstone, and Paradise did....

Once again- CDs (PHYSICAL ONES) ARE NOT SELLING ANYMORE PERIOD. The electronic download has FARRRRRRRRR surpassed physical CD sales. For all we know (and nobody seems to be able to tell), the electronic versions of the CD could be doing big business (doubt it, but you can't go by CD sales and Billboard and Soundscan charts anymore. They're useless info nowadays.

Itunes was down about 20 % this year-ERIC

Still can't figire how itunes sales get figured in as most of their sales are single songs, not albums. Today's adults play their old albums pretty much as they live in the past. For the most part, they don't buy cd's today. But I won't let the facts get in the way of Froy's arguement.

It´s not band´s fault if CYO is not selling, it´s a classic piece of art. I´m selfish bastard and I´m alright with this situation, current Styx makes good music for me and if other people don´t understand greatness of it then so fuckin what. And reunion is not the answer for this problem. Those guys could maybe last one tour together but there´s no way in hell that they would be together so long that they would record an album. Styx heve never toured Scandinavia and probably never will so I much rather take that new studio album from current Styx.

AOR rules wrote:It´s not band´s fault if CYO is not selling,

Yes it sure is the bands fault
The band stinks in its current state
Nobody cares about Rickie Phillips and Larry Gowan
Everyone would rather have Dennis DeYoung and Chuck if not Chuck then Glen
Styx is 1 dimentional right now add the above and its back to normal

it´s a classic piece of art.

Or a classic piece of junk

I´m selfish bastard and I´m alright with this situation, current Styx makes good music for me and if other people don´t understand greatness of it then so fuckin what.

Its not all about you my friend
You want to see the real STYX stay tuned Im going to show it to you very soon.

And reunion is not the answer for this problem.

Wrong
Its the only way to fix this broken down van

Those guys could maybe last one tour together but there´s no way in hell that they would be together so long that they would record an album.

Never Say Never Da mee ja me ja mey


Styx heve never toured Scandinavia and probably never will so I much rather take that new studio album from current Styx.

Its not about you my friend
Its about the masses

Another quote by CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) president Graham Henderson has been refuted with a recently released report. According to a Business Wire report, digital music sales were up 122% in Canada. This is despite the claim that that Canadians are "abandoning the marketplace altogether".

The report says that in 2005, some 6.7 million digital tracks were sold. This is compared to the 14.9 million sold in 2006. The growth is at a much higher rate then that of the United States and Europe in an IFPI report. In the US, digital music sales went up by 65% from 2005 to 2006. In 2005 Americans purchased 353 million tracks and in 2006, they purchased 582 million tracks. Meanwhile in Europe, digital music sales were up by 80% from 62 million in 2005 to 111 million sales in 2006.

"The Canadian market is nearly two years behind the U.S. as iTunes debuted in December 2004 in Canada. The first year sales were also relatively modest, followed by dramatic jump last year." Michael Geist noted, "Considering the more limited selection and the absence of television downloads, the only credible conclusion is that the Canadian market is performing very well."

According to statistics Canada, Canada has a population of about 32.8 million. That means that for every 2.2 people (mathematically speaking), a digital music track was sold. According to a CNN article, the US population recently went over 300 million. That means nearly 2 tracks (1.94) are sold per person in the US. According to Wikipedia, Europe has a population of about 710 million. That means that for just over 6 (6.39) people, 1 digital music sale was made.

At the current rate, Canada will overtake the US in 5 years if trends continue on a per person basis.

Jodes wrote:But Blue.. If Dennis wasn't willing to be cooperative with the Brave New World sessions, what makes you think that any new music by Styx (with him in it) will sell more then 100 000 copies?

Hell BNW didn't even go gold in Canada, and usually Canada is the market they get album awards from first.

Hell, BNW only sold 72 000 copies in the US with Dennis IN the band.

I don't think the average Styx fan CARES if they put out new music or not. They want to see the classic lineup performing all their hits on a nightly basis during a summer tour. Same thing with other classic rock bands like Jethro Tull, who actually stopped putting out new material altogether and now only do their hits. They're getting' OLD, ya know!

I'm just saying is that JY, DDY, TS, and CP only have so much time left on this planet. Do they want to continue piddling around selling 5000 copies of a new CD and playing to 1000-3000 people? Only JY knows for sure...

Jodes wrote:But Blue.. If Dennis wasn't willing to be cooperative with the Brave New World sessions, what makes you think that any new music by Styx (with him in it) will sell more then 100 000 copies?

What exactly do you mean by Dennis not being cooperative?
He was the producer of all the STYX cds except BNW because of Shaw and JY not being cooperative not Dennis.
BNW was produced very poorly.
BNW was not a band effort it was a phone in.
Lets forget about BNW
Lets look at On My Way and Paradise those are 2 great STYX songs ,.

Hell, BNW only sold 72 000 copies in the US with Dennis IN the band.

And as mentioned before 10 times more then CYO .

AOR rules wrote:It´s not band´s fault if CYO is not selling, it´s a classic piece of art. I´m selfish bastard and I´m alright with this situation, current Styx makes good music for me and if other people don´t understand greatness of it then so fuckin what. And reunion is not the answer for this problem. Those guys could maybe last one tour together but there´s no way in hell that they would be together so long that they would record an album. Styx heve never toured Scandinavia and probably never will so I much rather take that new studio album from current Styx.

AOR,I don't know where in Scandinavia you live ,but Styx has been there on several occasions.
I saw them twice in Copenhagen(Cornerstone and Paradice Theatre tour).I am pretty sure they played Sweden Rock festival a year or 2 ago.
Once ,what seems like a million years ago I picked up a Swedish paper and I saw an add for them plying Stockholm.I think it was for GI,maybe CB.

Froy.. I said wasn't being cooperative DURING THE BNW Sessions, not any other time.

Jodes wrote:Froy.. I said wasn't being cooperative DURING THE BNW Sessions, not any other time.

I know you said that
And I posted my reply

Dennis was sick during DNW and worn down from the Hunchback project
The 2 other guys cared less about that