MR

Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

Who ever handles it is doing a great job
Fucking up the band even more
Bravo.

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

That would not be Alliance artists ltd that handles that?

Yes, it's still Alliance.

StyxCollector wrote:Yes, it's still Alliance.

Clearly not on the local level. Maybe they need to invest in a quality street team or ten.

Rockwriter wrote:Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL.

That's the new lineup. Didn't you hear?

I think they realized that any band pic was better than a pic with Gowan.

LOL

Zan wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL.

That's the new lineup. Didn't you hear?

It's Gene Simmons at work. He's trying out his "all members are replacable" idea for Kiss with Styx first

It is a picture of MS Funk right after Tommy bolted for Styx.

yogi wrote:It is a picture of MS Funk right after Tommy bolted for Styx.

Is there a bowling alley in the back ground?

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

They are a sad characture of themselves.

Pathetic.

JY should be ashamed of the mockery that he has created.

stabbim wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:Yes, it's still Alliance.

Clearly not on the local level. Maybe they need to invest in a quality street team or ten.

Exactly. I don't understand why local promoters are being allowed to run free and create this kind of terrible advertising, which really does not do the band justice at all. This is simply not valuable to the band. I can't speak for other markets, but the ads in Nashville for the last several shows have been sub-par, and I can't help but get the feeling that it's not being directed according to one central plan. A big mistake, in my view at least. Why are they not creating ads that are national and then customizing them for each market, then providing the ads for the shows themselves? By doing that they could make this kind of thing irrelevant.

Sterling

Zan wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL.

That's the new lineup. Didn't you hear?

LOL. By the way, your daughter is soooo adorable.


Sterling

froy wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

Who ever handles it is doing a great job
Fucking up the band even more
Bravo.

Why so bitter and grouchy all the time Froy?

Did Oscar kick you out of the can before you were ready to leave home?

rajah2165 wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

They are a sad characture of themselves.

Pathetic.

JY should be ashamed of the mockery that he has created.

So should your mom and dad Raj.
Every post you make is just so much crap...
Somebody promotes the band incorrectly and that's Jy's fault?
Ever been in a band Raj? Venues have a real difficult time getting it right.
Did JY not give you an autograph once or something?
Every post you make is the same...

brywool wrote:

rajah2165 wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

They are a sad characture of themselves.

Pathetic.

JY should be ashamed of the mockery that he has created.

So should your mom and dad Raj.
Every post you make is just so much crap...
Somebody promotes the band incorrectly and that's Jy's fault?
Ever been in a band Raj? Venues have a real difficult time getting it right.
Did JY not give you an autograph once or something?
Every post you make is the same...

Have to correct you on this one. Raj does make different styles of posts. His other Style slams Zan...

styxfanNH wrote:

brywool wrote:

rajah2165 wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:Okay, remember a couple of weeks ago I posted that the Nashville Scene's ad for the Wildhorse Saloon show said, "Styx Featuring the Great Tommy Shaw", and it had a pic from when Glen was still in the band?

Well, this week it's been fixed - sort of. The ad now says simply "Styx", and the photo has been changed as well . . . TO A PICTURE OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP! It's not even Styx! I don't even know who the fuck it is, LOL. Which brings me back to my original question:

WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

They are a sad characture of themselves.

Pathetic.

JY should be ashamed of the mockery that he has created.

So should your mom and dad Raj.
Every post you make is just so much crap...
Somebody promotes the band incorrectly and that's Jy's fault?
Ever been in a band Raj? Venues have a real difficult time getting it right.
Did JY not give you an autograph once or something?
Every post you make is the same...

Have to correct you on this one. Raj does make different styles of posts. His other Style slams Zan...

Not true. He tattles on me & moans too.

Sadie's getting so big and still is real cute.

awww.... and she has daddy's eyes

Rockwriter wrote:
WHO IN THE WORLD HANDLES THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS GROUP?!!! And why is it not being done way, way, way better? I just don't understand.


Sterling

All the more reason for current Stynx to pack it in. They need to take a few years off, remaster their back catalog to rekindle some interest, and patch things up with DDY. Only then should they tour again, and if it means only playing 5-7 shows a month so be it! Anything is better than this....

soon the marketing will be: STYX FEATURING THE MUSIC OF DENNIS DEYOUNG*












*well he really isn't in the band anymore, but we still have JY

I'd wager that the venue is mostly responsible for the advertising. The venue is paying Styx a guarantee and it's on the venue to get the seats filled to cover the guarantee and make a profit. On the flip side I'd wager that it is the responsibility of the band to make sure that content (photos, bios, etc....) is available to the promoter for use in advertising. With that said there is no guarantee that the promoter will choose to use Styx supplied content when promoting the show.

I really doubt that Styx had anything (other than providing content if requested) to do with the promotion of this or any other show.

shaka wrote:I'd wager that the venue is mostly responsible for the advertising. The venue is paying Styx a guarantee and it's on the venue to get the seats filled to cover the guarantee and make a profit. On the flip side I'd wager that it is the responsibility of the band to make sure that content (photos, bios, etc....) is available to the promoter for use in advertising. With that said there is no guarantee that the promoter will choose to use Styx supplied content when promoting the show.

I really doubt that Styx had anything (other than providing content if requested) to do with the promotion of this or any other show.

Charlie Brusco and his Alliance team should also be checking behind the promoters to make sure what they display is not wrong.

styxfansite wrote:

shaka wrote:I'd wager that the venue is mostly responsible for the advertising. The venue is paying Styx a guarantee and it's on the venue to get the seats filled to cover the guarantee and make a profit. On the flip side I'd wager that it is the responsibility of the band to make sure that content (photos, bios, etc....) is available to the promoter for use in advertising. With that said there is no guarantee that the promoter will choose to use Styx supplied content when promoting the show.

I really doubt that Styx had anything (other than providing content if requested) to do with the promotion of this or any other show.

Charlie Brusco and his Alliance team should also be checking behind the promoters to make sure what they display is not wrong.

Ummm, how would they do that? Should they send someone to hang out for a month or two at every venue to make sure the promotion is up to snuff? Not likely.

Like I wrote before, promotion is the promoters job. If they choose not to promote the way the band would like there's little the band can do.

shaka wrote:

styxfansite wrote:

shaka wrote:I really doubt that Styx had anything (other than providing content if requested) to do with the promotion of this or any other show.

Charlie Brusco and his Alliance team should also be checking behind the promoters to make sure what they display is not wrong.

Ummm, how would they do that? Should they send someone to hang out for a month or two at every venue to make sure the promotion is up to snuff? Not likely.

Like I wrote before, promotion is the promoters job. If they choose not to promote the way the band would like there's little the band can do.

I'll say it again: Street Teams. The band or their management may think they're beyond the need for such an approach, but there's nothing like support at the grassroots level ...even for folks who've been to the top of the mountain.

shaka wrote:

styxfansite wrote:

shaka wrote:I'd wager that the venue is mostly responsible for the advertising. The venue is paying Styx a guarantee and it's on the venue to get the seats filled to cover the guarantee and make a profit. On the flip side I'd wager that it is the responsibility of the band to make sure that content (photos, bios, etc....) is available to the promoter for use in advertising. With that said there is no guarantee that the promoter will choose to use Styx supplied content when promoting the show.

I really doubt that Styx had anything (other than providing content if requested) to do with the promotion of this or any other show.

Charlie Brusco and his Alliance team should also be checking behind the promoters to make sure what they display is not wrong.

Ummm, how would they do that? Should they send someone to hang out for a month or two at every venue to make sure the promotion is up to snuff? Not likely.

Like I wrote before, promotion is the promoters job. If they choose not to promote the way the band would like there's little the band can do.

Well, that's not quite true. Styx in the past - and by the past I mean in the prime years - has usually taken on the task of creating the ads in-house, then simply customizing them for each market. Styx is one of the bands that helped invent that sort of advertising control. They did it with both print and radio so that they had control of the band's marketing in a way that was consistent nationally, and so that they could avoid exactly this sort of thing. So why are they not doing it now? It's just puzzling to me.

I used to work with a concert promoter in Atlanta a number of years ago, and it was not unusual for us to fax or Fedex ad art to management for approval. These days it's even easier, with email making it instant to transmit it and get a response back with little to no fuss. If there's not a clause in the contract that specifies that ad art has to be approved by management, then why isn't there? If Styx is not creating its own ads and retaining control of its principal point of contact with the fans (which is now the live shows), then why not? It simply isn't good business, and this is a band that knows better. Passing the buck to the promoter, who has no investment in the band beyond one night and only cares about filling his seats, no matter who is there, is simply not the best way to do it. And this band knows that better than most, which brings me back my original question: why is this not being done better? It's just not a good representation of the band and does nothing to help move the band forward. Please understand I'm not "downing" the band . . . I'm sincerely asking, why?


Sterling

And this band knows that better than most, which brings me back my original question: why is this not being done better? It's just not a good representation of the band and does nothing to help move the band forward. Please understand I'm not "downing" the band . . . I'm sincerely asking, why?

Oh I know I will be accused of spewing the usual anti-current Styx venom, but I honestly see this as part of the overall downgrading of the band. I don't care what anyone says, to be relegated to opening act for not one, but two other bands, is a definite comedown. I find it embarrassing for their legacy. Simple as that.

This has nothing to do with the quality of the music or the guys making the music. I know that for many who post here the band is still putting on a high quality show.


Bugsy

bugsymalone wrote:

And this band knows that better than most, which brings me back my original question: why is this not being done better? It's just not a good representation of the band and does nothing to help move the band forward. Please understand I'm not "downing" the band . . . I'm sincerely asking, why?

Oh I know I will be accused of spewing the usual anti-current Styx venom, but I honestly see this as part of the overall downgrading of the band. I don't care what anyone says, to be relegated to opening act for not one, but two other bands, is a definite comedown. I find it embarrassing for their legacy. Simple as that.

This has nothing to do with the quality of the music or the guys making the music. I know that for many who post here the band is still putting on a high quality show.


Bugsy

But isn't this just ONE show we're talking about here, or many? Mistakes happen...
By Street Team, are you talking of "fans" kind of doing the promotion themselves? Wonder how that works. Anybody have any experience with that?

brywool wrote:

bugsymalone wrote:

And this band knows that better than most, which brings me back my original question: why is this not being done better? It's just not a good representation of the band and does nothing to help move the band forward. Please understand I'm not "downing" the band . . . I'm sincerely asking, why?

Oh I know I will be accused of spewing the usual anti-current Styx venom, but I honestly see this as part of the overall downgrading of the band. I don't care what anyone says, to be relegated to opening act for not one, but two other bands, is a definite comedown. I find it embarrassing for their legacy. Simple as that.

This has nothing to do with the quality of the music or the guys making the music. I know that for many who post here the band is still putting on a high quality show.


Bugsy

But isn't this just ONE show we're talking about here, or many? Mistakes happen...
By Street Team, are you talking of "fans" kind of doing the promotion themselves? Wonder how that works. Anybody have any experience with that?

Well, I can't speak for other markets, but here in Nashville the ads for the show from 'Cyclorama' also sucked. I can only conjecture it was done locally as well. The radio commercial featured the girl's voice from 'Big Daddy' saying the line about how all her friends thought she was a geek beause she liked Styx, then "Babe" starts playing. Then there's a couple of Tommy songs, then the ad fades with the chorus of "The Best of Times". I don't think the band would have created a commercial that featured songs that they weren't going to play in the show that's being advertised, LOL. I hope the ads elsewhere are better, but if so, then why not here? Strange.

Street teams are common for groups that are on indy labels. It's basically organizing the fan base and giving them incentive to do some of the local legwork for promoting a band, whether that entails putting up flyers for a show, going to record stores to check product placement, calling radio and requesting tracks, and so on. In exchange they can get perks like special tickets to shows, tickets to a private show or two, special promo items . . . in some cases I've seen bands arrange for it to be a credit for a college student who is studying for a music-business-related degree. It can work a lot of different ways, but it is really valuable.

I personally wish the band would find a young, hungry guy who needs to make his mark and offer to pay him in a way that includes a reasonable base and a great incentive structure, and have him be the new Jim Cahill; advancing singles to radio, greasing the way with writers, advancing the shows in each market and staying on top of imaging and packaging the band in a way that is consistent and valuable in each market. It doesn't seem like that's happening right now. You have to make one person responsible and then hold them to that responsibility.


Sterling

I don't think the band would have created a commercial that featured songs that they weren't going to play in the show that's being advertised, LOL.

Actually, I would expect Stynx to do such a thing. It's just another way for them to live off DDY's contributions by using false advertising to lure unsuspecting fans into a show, only to be greeted by some Scottish goofball on 'vocals' and virtually none of the DDY-penned catalog.

But you DO get JY bellowing Miss America for the 10,000th time...