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For Styx's entire career, who has done the most damage to the entity of Styx. I speaking of a combination of popularity, legacy, image, and fan relations. In short, which member of Styx pisses you off the most?

Oh dear.
Is it already time for a poll like this again.?
After all these times I have forgotten who I voted for last.

You left off the obvious one.

I Agree With ZAN!!!!

If the "Internet Fans" let it go, the issue would be mute. The largest group that continues to bash the band are those who have picked sides. Even when JY doesn't say anything to slam Dennis the yahoos write as if he did.

I personally don't remember in the hey day of the band anyone saying that they only liked one members songs and hated the others. It's revisionist history to say we did. While one may have liked one song writing style of a particular writer/singer - we liked STYX.

Well, of course, the obvious choice is Tom......Nardini. He just ruined that band, the 15 or so minutes he was a member.

I suppose second choice would be that talentless, egotistical hack, Dennis DeYoung. Just think how AMAZING, GREAT, and WONDERFUL Styx would have been without him!! Led by the Legendary (although reluctantly so) James "JY" Young!



Bugsy

I'm not sure why the panozzo brothers are there they just did there thing and they weren't involved in any band descisions or anything else. As far as larry/todd/ricky go they are just there to replace the other guy it wasn't there choice. I really don't think they had anything to do with "damage to styx" or whatever this thread is about. I really love todd but johnny p is irreplaceable. I wish I was around to see them with him back in the day.

Zan wrote:You left off the obvious one.

Damn straight.

All 600 of us.

stabbim wrote:

Zan wrote:You left off the obvious one.

Damn straight.

All 600 of us.

Zan beat me to the punch - but I would agree the fans are worst and the reason 8 years on there's still the same stupid bickering going on.

Die-hard Journey fans are the same if not worse (although Neal and Jon have done a pretty whiz bang job themselves)./

I want to vote for Suzanne but she was'nt on the ballot.

Damn Democrats!!!!

StyxCollector wrote:

stabbim wrote:

Zan wrote:You left off the obvious one.

Damn straight.

All 600 of us.

Zan beat me to the punch - but I would agree the fans are worst and the reason 8 years on there's still the same stupid bickering going on.

Die-hard Journey fans are the same if not worse (although Neal and Jon have done a pretty whiz bang job themselves)./

And THIS is the same self-righteous crap that goes on over at the Journey board. We are FANS of a certain band - that is what is going on with the BAND - THUS we talk about it, bitch about it, celebrate about it, etc. Thats what fans (short for fanatics) do. BTW, its not just the fans keeping this shit alive - JY, anyone?

Zan wrote:You left off the obvious one.

I also left off this one:

Higgy wrote:

Zan wrote:You left off the obvious one.

I also left off this one:

Yeah yeah yeah...But see, I'm not complaining. YOU'RE complaining about (JY) complaining. *I'm* merely amused by it all.

(But yes, it is really my opinion that certain fans have done more to tarnish the band's image than anyone else. It's more embarrassing than rubber suits and robot masks, spinning keyboards, air guitars, or neptotism. But yeah, still funny...in a sad sorta way.)

On a different note, I can't help but notice that no one has chosen the Panozzo's or Glen yet. I guess being a glory icon has it's downsides too. Success and notoriety really are double-edged swords. And only 1 little vote for Tommy...heh. Maybe JY and Dennis should do a celebrity death match. lol

Higgy wrote:And THIS is the same self-righteous crap that goes on over at the Journey board. We are FANS of a certain band - that is what is going on with the BAND - THUS we talk about it, bitch about it, celebrate about it, etc. Thats what fans (short for fanatics) do. BTW, its not just the fans keeping this shit alive - JY, anyone?

A fan means just that - being a fan. This is about choosing a side. I don't love everything DDY or JY with Styx or solo, but I can't say the past 8 years has swayed me to one side or the other. I stay the course. Being a fan isn't about choosing sides.

Also, even if 1999 hadn't have happened, do you honestly believe Styx would still be together today? (serious question) BNW could have been Grand Illusion II and it wouldn't have charted.

Zan wrote:*I'm* merely amused by it all.

Which is why these message boards are fun sometimes Some people don't get it.

Zan wrote:(But yes, it is really my opinion that certain fans have done more to tarnish the band's image than anyone else. It's more embarrassing than rubber suits and robot masks, spinning keyboards, air guitars, or neptotism. But yeah, still funny...in a sad sorta way.)

On a different note, I can't help but notice that no one has chosen the Panozzo's or Glen yet. I guess being a glory icon has it's downsides too. Success and notoriety really are double-edged swords. And only 1 little vote for Tommy...heh. Maybe JY and Dennis should do a celebrity death match. lol

In some parallel universe, there was a whole episode on MTV dedicated to the DDY vs. JY celebrity death match. Depending on your camp, the outcome was different.

I don't think that Glen would ever get thrown under the bus, but if you're talking 1983, it took 5 to tango so-to-speak. The reality is that it's the major forces in a band that usually throw it into the path of the oncoming train moreso than the others. They all freely admit that the split in 1984 was not very pleasant - and why should it be? They were proverbially up each others collective asses since 1976 or 1977 through 1983 between the studio and the road. I'd be ready to kill, too.

I think you guys give fans too much credit. Internet fans are irrelevant when you are trying to appeal to hundreds of thousands of music fans.

Constant touring of without a new release has probably done more damage than anything else. If you visit the same market year after year, people won't continue to come. There are only a few hundred people who will see the same band play 2, 3 or 4 times over a course of a year or 2. Those are the diehard fans.

blt man wrote:I think you guys give fans too much credit. Internet fans are irrelevant when you are trying to appeal to hundreds of thousands of music fans.

Constant touring of without a new release has probably done more damage than anything else. If you visit the same market year after year, people won't continue to come. There are only a few hundred people who will see the same band play 2, 3 or 4 times over a course of a year or 2. Those are the diehard fans.

So then I quess I'm in that catergory. I see them everytime they come around wisconsin.

blt man wrote:I think you guys give fans too much credit. Internet fans are irrelevant when you are trying to appeal to hundreds of thousands of music fans.

Well, I've said that all along. The ones posting are what, 1 - 5% at max of their audience? Styx is a business and obviously you cater to the majority, not the minority.

blt man wrote:Constant touring of without a new release has probably done more damage than anything else. If you visit the same market year after year, people won't continue to come. There are only a few hundred people who will see the same band play 2, 3 or 4 times over a course of a year or 2. Those are the diehard fans.

It's not any one thing, nor is Styx the only band in this position. Most bands - even bands like Aerosmith who are still having some decent success - are nowhere near where they were. It's inevitable. But what choice do they have?

I think you overestimate the power of a new release. It's 2007. Not 1977. Look at the Rush show this year. By all accounts (including mine), it's a great show. But they do 9 songs from the new album, and you can definitely separate the die-hards from those who want more hits. And it still hasn't largely helped album sales for S&A.

Styx, like so many other bands, is more about nostalgia to the general public than new product.

StyxCollector wrote:

blt man wrote:I think you guys give fans too much credit. Internet fans are irrelevant when you are trying to appeal to hundreds of thousands of music fans.

Well, I've said that all along. The ones posting are what, 1 - 5% at max of their audience? Styx is a business and obviously you cater to the majority, not the minority.

I think that fact makes it the most appropriate response to the question, which is really kinda silly in the first place. I mean..."damage?" What does that even mean?

stabbim wrote:I think that fact makes it the most appropriate response to the question, which is really kinda silly in the first place. I mean..."damage?" What does that even mean?

Damage = people incessantly bitching about things that don't matter and obesessing over it. Or at least that's what it means in this context.

Don't forget that at each show they are selling about 100 copies of the "current" cd. Yes they sign them, but that certainly helps the sales of the album in the overall picture.

Completely unreal and a joke that Dennis is at the top right now. Styx wouldn't even be as known, popular and successful without him..period.
For those who voted for Dennis, please explain why. If you list something such as 'Babe' or 'Mr Roboto' , hogwash. 'Babe' brought SOOOOOOOO many more fans to Styx.
I really don't understand what Dennis has done to Styx to be at the top.
'Styx' has done the most damage for moving on without him.

stabbim wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

blt man wrote:I think you guys give fans too much credit. Internet fans are irrelevant when you are trying to appeal to hundreds of thousands of music fans.

Well, I've said that all along. The ones posting are what, 1 - 5% at max of their audience? Styx is a business and obviously you cater to the majority, not the minority.

I think that fact makes it the most appropriate response to the question, which is really kinda silly in the first place. I mean..."damage?" What does that even mean?

Well, for me, it means the element that has most caused me to become disgusted with Styx as a whole. And since the question is for individuals to answer, that is my opinion. No member of the band, past or present, has done so much to make me SICK of Styx's music as the rabid Internet fans have. They drain the love for the music right out of people.

Zan wrote:No member of the band, past or present, has done so much to make me SICK of Styx's music as the rabid Internet fans have. They drain the love for the music right out of people.

You think it's bad here? Go up one forum.

piecesofeight wrote:Completely unreal and a joke that Dennis is at the top right now. Styx wouldn't even be as known, popular and successful without him..period.
For those who voted for Dennis, please explain why. If you list something such as 'Babe' or 'Mr Roboto' , hogwash. 'Babe' brought SOOOOOOOO many more fans to Styx.
I really don't understand what Dennis has done to Styx to be at the top.
'Styx' has done the most damage for moving on without him.

I put my response in green for you.

People vote depending on what they found most lovable about Styx in the first place. If it's popularity, then they are likely to vote for JY, since he's the whipping boy dujour on this board for being solely responsible for making Styx play smaller venues and open for other washed up classic rock acts. If it's Styx' harder edge they liked, they are likely to vote for DDY because Denny is mostly responsible for bringing Styx into the mainstream by succumbing to the pressure of the masses and selling out by releasing radio sap. To some people, JY is the most arrogant and self-centered. To others, it is Dennis who fills those shoes. Rajah probably voted for Tommy. LOL

There is no question that Dennis brought the band great success, but in the long run, I believe his overindulgence ultimately brought it down, both in moral and likability with the record labels. So he's sort of like lukewarm water here. He's done some damage, but his original success rate can't be overlooked. JY, on the other hand, was literally the glue that held this band together for MANY years, dating as far back as 1976. Regardless of his "hit-making" status, it is my belief that if it weren't for JY all those years ago, working as hard as he did to keep things afloat, there would have been no Styx to make "Babe" or "Mr. Roboto." On the other hand, JY writes clunkers like "Wild Dogs in the Night" and "Homewrecker" (which I happen to like, but that's neither here nor there). lol

Zan wrote:

piecesofeight wrote:Completely unreal and a joke that Dennis is at the top right now. Styx wouldn't even be as known, popular and successful without him..period.
For those who voted for Dennis, please explain why. If you list something such as 'Babe' or 'Mr Roboto' , hogwash. 'Babe' brought SOOOOOOOO many more fans to Styx.
I really don't understand what Dennis has done to Styx to be at the top.
'Styx' has done the most damage for moving on without him.

I put my response in green for you.

People vote depending on what they found most lovable about Styx in the first place. If it's popularity, then they are likely to vote for JY, since he's the whipping boy dujour on this board for being solely responsible for making Styx play smaller venues and open for other washed up classic rock acts. If it's Styx' harder edge they liked, they are likely to vote for DDY because Denny is mostly responsible for bringing Styx into the mainstream by succumbing to the pressure of the masses and selling out by releasing radio sap. To some people, JY is the most arrogant and self-centered. To others, it is Dennis who fills those shoes. Rajah probably voted for Tommy. LOL

There is no question that Dennis brought the band great success, but in the long run, I believe his overindulgence ultimately brought it down, both in moral and likability with the record labels. So he's sort of like lukewarm water here. He's done some damage, but his original success rate can't be overlooked. JY, on the other hand, was literally the glue that held this band together for MANY years, dating as far back as 1976. Regardless of his "hit-making" status, it is my belief that if it weren't for JY all those years ago, working as hard as he did to keep things afloat, there would have been no Styx to make "Babe" or "Mr. Roboto." On the other hand, JY writes clunkers like "Wild Dogs in the Night" and "Homewrecker" (which I happen to like, but that's neither here nor there). lol

I dig the green lol. So then I'm not the only person in the world that liked homewrecker that's good to know.

NealIsGod wrote:

Zan wrote:No member of the band, past or present, has done so much to make me SICK of Styx's music as the rabid Internet fans have. They drain the love for the music right out of people.

You think it's bad here? Go up one forum.

The Demoralizing poster said "Internet Fans." Pick your poison. The effect is the same.

You mean this topic was supposed to be taken seriously.

Well. I am still going with Nardini.

Or those two bowling alley guys Yogi talked about awhile back. But I think the only damage they did was to the Styx BUS, when they ran into it with their '57 Chevy pickup.


Bugsy

bugsymalone wrote:You mean this topic was supposed to be taken seriously.

Well. I am still going with Nardini.

Or those two bowling alley guys Yogi talked about awhile back. But I think the only damage they did was to the Styx BUS, when they ran into it with their '57 Chevy pickup.

Silly woman - throwing LOGIC into the mix. Shouldn't you know better by now?

And who knows? maybe the bus incident was what REALLY started this whole train rollin'. Insurance adjusters tend to bring out the worst in people.

bugsymalone wrote:Well. I am still going with Nardini.

You & me both, sister.

(A vote for Nardini is a vote for reason...pass it along.)

Zan wrote:

On the other hand, JY writes clunkers like "Wild Dogs in the Night" and "Homewrecker" (which I happen to like, but that's neither here nor there). lol

You know I have a lot of respect for you Zan ... but "Homewrecker"?!?!?!?!?!?! For Pete's sake ... "Yes I Can" is effin "Let It Be" compared to that turd.

Zan wrote:

There is no question that Dennis brought the band great success, but in the long run, I believe his overindulgence ultimately brought it down, both in moral and likability with the record labels. So he's sort of like lukewarm water here. He's done some damage, but his original success rate can't be overlooked. JY, on the other hand, was literally the glue that held this band together for MANY years, dating as far back as 1976. Regardless of his "hit-making" status, it is my belief that if it weren't for JY all those years ago, working as hard as he did to keep things afloat, there would have been no Styx to make "Babe" or "Mr. Roboto." On the other hand, JY writes clunkers like "Wild Dogs in the Night" and "Homewrecker" (which I happen to like, but that's neither here nor there). lol

I think you make a good point here - but the problem is that JY is out there every chance he gets trying to tear down Dennis' contributions to the band. You don't see Dennis doing that. I won't say DDY has been perfect - because nobody is, but he's not out there - in public - ripping the current lineup and taking about how crappy their songs are or were or whatever. He isn't minimizing anyone's contributions. He's not talking about what a shitty manager or whatnot JY was. The people (myself included) who hate JY, do so because he lives in a glass house - likes to bash the talents of others when he doesn't have half of the talent he's bashing. Sure he may have made other contributions and they're appreciated - but they're hard to keep in perspective when he's out there tearing down other elements of the band.