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What are the chances Styx has a top 10 single in the '00's?


Styx is one of a handful of acts that had Billboard Top Ten singles in three decades (70s, 80s, 90s) and under four different presidential administrations (Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush).

Grotelul wrote:What are the chances Styx has a top 10 single in the '00's?


Styx is one of a handful of acts that had Billboard Top Ten singles in three decades (70s, 80s, 90s) and under four different presidential administrations (Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush).

As much as I want to say yes I know currently that this will never happen. So unfortunately I will say no. This is not the 70's/80's anymore.

Being selfish ,I hope not.
Without a hit they will play smaller places,like now,which is my preference.

Will Styx have a top 10 single this decade?

Is is April 1st already??

I think Styx should be more concerned whether they will have another Top 500 album...ever.

Blue Falcon wrote:

I think Styx should be more concerned whether they will have another Top 500 album...ever.

Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

stabbim wrote:

Blue Falcon wrote:

I think Styx should be more concerned whether they will have another Top 500 album...ever.

Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

I'll thake that bet, I believe they are cooking up a new batch of music now.

elmotano wrote:

stabbim wrote:Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

I'll thake that bet, I believe they are cooking up a new batch of music now.

Would like to believe so too, though recent comments from TS & JY seem to indicate otherwise.

Ah well.

stabbim wrote:

elmotano wrote:

stabbim wrote:Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

I'll thake that bet, I believe they are cooking up a new batch of music now.

Would like to believe so too, though recent comments from TS & JY seem to indicate otherwise.

Ah well.

Numerous times both have said they are not doing an album in 2008, as stabbim has stated. Maybe they are "cooking up" something for 2009. That elusive top 10, or top 500, hit CD.


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stabbim wrote:

Blue Falcon wrote:

I think Styx should be more concerned whether they will have another Top 500 album...ever.

Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

They don't have to record an album. As JY has stated, they will probably record a few songs here and there to either go on something like CYO or just an Itunes release. You never know when lightning might strike. It would be almost a miracle if it did happen though. Just too many hurdles.

Not unless they decide to hook up with Bon Jovi and some major country act for some sort of bizarre threesome. LOL!

Grotelul wrote:What are the chances Styx has a top 10 single in the '00's?

Probably as much as Journey's chance's.......maybe somewhere in the Kah-Billion percentage of a quess.

Nice thought though.

Grotelul wrote:

stabbim wrote:

Blue Falcon wrote:

I think Styx should be more concerned whether they will have another Top 500 album...ever.

Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

They don't have to record an album. As JY has stated, they will probably record a few songs here and there to either go on something like CYO or just an Itunes release.

Yes. And that's unfortunate.

But as long as TS continues to do Shaw/Blades tours in the off-season, I won't grumble too loudly.

stabbim wrote:

Grotelul wrote:

stabbim wrote:

Blue Falcon wrote:

I think Styx should be more concerned whether they will have another Top 500 album...ever.

Well, first they'd actually have to record an album and put it out...anyone wanna lay odds on that?

They don't have to record an album. As JY has stated, they will probably record a few songs here and there to either go on something like CYO or just an Itunes release.

Yes. And that's unfortunate.

But as long as TS continues to do Shaw/Blades tours in the off-season, I won't grumble too loudly.

I would actually lay a big bet that the entire industry will be digital-only in a few years. It's the cheapest information delivery system model ever . . . no packaging, no trucking, no warehousing, no clerks . . . far fewer layers of profit skimming between the consumer and the artist. It makes sense. The variable is how to control the stealing, the illegal downloading, and I would imagine that at some point someone's going to come up with something. Coupled with some of the lawsuits that are ongoing, if they can just make legal dowloading affordable and make illegal downloading seem unappealing, the business could right itself. It's a different ball game now and everyone has to live with, like it or not. All of my friends at the labels here in Nashville are starting to talk in terms of trying to accept that it might become actually impossible to make money at selling music in the future . . . they are talking in terms of the music itself being a loss leader that gets people involved with the band so you can sell them live shows, merchandise, special downloads, whatever. Given the extreme tough circumstances right now, I wouldn't hold my breath for a label to invest in the budget for a band like Styx, when the release is likely barely capable of earning out the production costs at this point. Those are the harsh realities of the business today. The guys don't have much choice but to ride the storm out and figure out a way to make a new release financially viable - if indeed there is a way to do that in the current marketplace.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:I would actually lay a big bet that the entire industry will be digital-only in a few years. It's the cheapest information delivery system model ever . . . no packaging, no trucking, no warehousing, no clerks . . . far fewer layers of profit skimming between the consumer and the artist. It makes sense. The variable is how to control the stealing, the illegal downloading, and I would imagine that at some point someone's going to come up with something. Coupled with some of the lawsuits that are ongoing, if they can just make legal dowloading affordable and make illegal downloading seem unappealing, the business could right itself. It's a different ball game now and everyone has to live with, like it or not. All of my friends at the labels here in Nashville are starting to talk in terms of trying to accept that it might become actually impossible to make money at selling music in the future . . . they are talking in terms of the music itself being a loss leader that gets people involved with the band so you can sell them live shows, merchandise, special downloads, whatever. Given the extreme tough circumstances right now, I wouldn't hold my breath for a label to invest in the budget for a band like Styx, when the release is likely barely capable of earning out the production costs at this point. Those are the harsh realities of the business today. The guys don't have much choice but to ride the storm out and figure out a way to make a new release financially viable - if indeed there is a way to do that in the current marketplace.

Well, I wasn't referring so much to the distribution or packaging -- I just meant it's unfortunate that they don't seem to be interested in creating a collection of new material, full stop. Even when driven by singles in a marketing sense, Styx was always an album band at heart.

I suppose they could be going through a dry spell and using the shifting marketplace as an excuse, which would be sad, but understandable. I'd just hate to think that they really are trying to "ride the storm out," waiting for the market to lead them, rather than taking any kind of initiative with the process. They still have the potential to be better than that (see: Radiohead, BNL, Marillion.)

stabbim wrote:

Rockwriter wrote:I would actually lay a big bet that the entire industry will be digital-only in a few years. It's the cheapest information delivery system model ever . . . no packaging, no trucking, no warehousing, no clerks . . . far fewer layers of profit skimming between the consumer and the artist. It makes sense. The variable is how to control the stealing, the illegal downloading, and I would imagine that at some point someone's going to come up with something. Coupled with some of the lawsuits that are ongoing, if they can just make legal dowloading affordable and make illegal downloading seem unappealing, the business could right itself. It's a different ball game now and everyone has to live with, like it or not. All of my friends at the labels here in Nashville are starting to talk in terms of trying to accept that it might become actually impossible to make money at selling music in the future . . . they are talking in terms of the music itself being a loss leader that gets people involved with the band so you can sell them live shows, merchandise, special downloads, whatever. Given the extreme tough circumstances right now, I wouldn't hold my breath for a label to invest in the budget for a band like Styx, when the release is likely barely capable of earning out the production costs at this point. Those are the harsh realities of the business today. The guys don't have much choice but to ride the storm out and figure out a way to make a new release financially viable - if indeed there is a way to do that in the current marketplace.

Well, I wasn't referring so much to the distribution or packaging -- I just meant it's unfortunate that they don't seem to be interested in creating a collection of new material, full stop. Even when driven by singles in a marketing sense, Styx was always an album band at heart.

I suppose they could be going through a dry spell and using the shifting marketplace as an excuse, which would be sad, but understandable. I'd just hate to think that they really are trying to "ride the storm out," waiting for the market to lead them, rather than taking any kind of initiative with the process. They still have the potential to be better than that (see: Radiohead, BNL, Marillion.)

Sure, I can see that. I would welcome a viable collection from ANY of the bands I grew up with. But at the same time, I can understand the reluctance . . . these are guys who are closer to retirement than not, and the game at that point has to shift to, how do we make this work for us and pave the way for when we are no longer working together? I know that's not much of an art-driven discussion, but nonetheless it's the way it is at a certain point. I can't begrudge anyone the right to make the decision that is best for them financially, even if it isn't driven by purely artistic concerns.

That said, I agree that there are bands who have found a way around those same concerns. But I'm not sure that everyone in Styx is on the same page right now, which makes deciding anything quite a bit harder.

I hope all is well.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:I would welcome a viable collection from ANY of the bands I grew up with. But at the same time, I can understand the reluctance . . . these are guys who are closer to retirement than not, and the game at that point has to shift to, how do we make this work for us and pave the way for when we are no longer working together? I know that's not much of an art-driven discussion, but nonetheless it's the way it is at a certain point. I can't begrudge anyone the right to make the decision that is best for them financially, even if it isn't driven by purely artistic concerns.

Absolutely. It's the reason I don't begrudge, in the big-picture sense, this notion of them flogging the same 12 songs on the road every night until TS &/or JY finally keels over and assumes room temperature. They've paid their dues, they've earned the right, and everyone's gotta make a living. I'm a grown-up, I get it. But the fan in me still can't help but be a little disappointed when it seems that an artist's creativity is only sparked by the promise, however specious, of dollar signs and a safety net.

I thought some interesting comments from Gene......

It has been nine years since we've seen a new KISS album. Any plans to get back into the studio?
The record industry is in such a mess. I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks. I told every record label I spoke with that they just lit the fuse to their own bomb that was going to explode from under them and put them on the street.
There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? I will be putting out a Gene Simmons box set called Monster -- a collection of 150 unreleased songs. KISS will have another box set of unreleased music in the next year.
The record industry doesn't have a f*cking clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.
Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.
But some artist like Radiohead and Trent Reznor are trying to find a new business model.
That doesn't count. You can't pick on one person as an exception. And that's not a business model that works. I open a store and say "Come on in and pay whatever you want." Are you on f*cking crack? Do you really believe that's a business model that works?
So what if music just becomes free and artists make their living off of touring and merchandise?
Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music. Without that, why would you care? Even the idea that you're considering giving the music away for free makes it easier to give it away for free. The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

Grotelul wrote:I thought some interesting comments from Gene......

Yeah, I thought so too.

Grotelul wrote: The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce.

There's some heavy-duty shit right there. I concur.

Yet, as an "old-timing" fan of music, I want something I can hold in my hand and look at. I won't buy anything less.