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Could the Kilroy concept hold its own without the Tommy and JY penned songs?

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Could it hold up today with some reworking of the songs/playscript, if Dennis brought it as one of the various productions he is now doing? Obviously, the songs during the concert footage could be whatever he wanted to put in there, it's the connecting pieces that carry the story that would have to be reworked.

When one considers that many tv shows from the past, heck even cartoons (Underdog, Scooby-doo...Alvin & The Chipmunks) all have been remade...I suppose it's possible. The intent of Kilroy is still valid.

I guess my concern is how well it would be received. Just because it can be done...doesn't necessarily mean it should be. Though I would be curious to see what layers would be added or removed from an updated version.

Well, the storyline would work. I don't think it would take much tweaking, and I would bet given the number of rock-cum-musicals we've seen, he's been approached to do something behind the scenes. He's concentrating on Hunchback, but Roboto has enough kitsch factor that it could work.

As for the book (meaning the songs), I'm not sure you can discount some of the JY and TS tunes - "Haven't We Been Here Before", "Double Life", and "Heavy Metal Poisioning" are all great pieces to the puzzle and the former two are some of the best tunes either JY or TS did with Styx bar none.

But don't we agree that there is no way Tommy and JY (or maybe just JY) would allow Dennis to perform those songs, especially in the Kilroy context?

styxfanNH wrote:But don't we agree that there is no way Tommy and JY (or maybe just JY) would allow Dennis to perform those songs, especially in the Kilroy context?

If it made them money, I don't see them blocking it. Seriously. Much like DDY gets royalties when they do "Come Sail Away" since he is credited as songwriter, someone can perform a song as long as they get paid for it. Now, if DDY wants to sell it, it may get difficult.

Keep in mind that one of the underlying themes was censorship. It (tour/album) actually pre dated all the Tipper and Al Gore circus about printing lyrics on albums. Dee Snyder, Frank Zappa and of all people John Denver came to the rescue before capital hill. The latter of which made complete idiots out of the the Gores and company. I never did believe he/they got credit for that part of the concept, regardless if you liked the music or not.

I never thought the two "themes" blended well. Is this about the dangerous technology of the future? Or censorship? I think it would have been better had they tackled only one of the two.

Now, on that note, from someone like myself who used to work in the industry, I get a little miffed about the "censorship" complaints. I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm convinced that "censorship" was never an issue. I believe it's all about money.

Here's what I mean: If any record "offends" too many people - that record will never get released - or pulled (does anyone remember "Cop Killer"). But if only a <B>small</B> number of people are offended, the record labels will ignore that small number of people and scream "You're trying to censor us!".

The reason Wal-Mart refuses to carry so much "offensive" product is because they can afford to. They're the number one seller of music right now, and if they stopped selling music all together, it wouldn't hurt them a lick. What's <I>really</I> ironic is that many of the "mom and pop" music stores (those that are left) are actually <I>glad</I> Wal-Mart won't sell that stuff - because that means people that want it will come to <I>their</I> stores.

Now I must also say, that like everyone else that listened to "Snowblind" backwards, I did find the whole think ridiculously stupid that anyone could find anything hidden there - so I do back up Styx in their "response" to those shennanigans.

I've probably opened up a can of worms here, but after working over 10 years in the industry - it really disgusted me how many hypocrites in the industry I encountered.

Cinj

On of the most unreal events that took place out of the Tipper & Al censorship crusade was that Al and Tipper were flying back and forth coast to coast in a private non fuel efficient ozone wrecking jet. They made over 500 trips across the globe speaking the evils of rock and roll, and the vital need for government censorship.

Their private jet spewed dangerous toxic carbons that flooded our skys. Their jet increased our earths core temperature and depleted our ozone layer.

If it wasnt for this far left whack job I now wouldnt have to go outside in the 110 degree heat wearing SPF55 sunblock.

Thanks alot Tipper & Al go find another cause you family of losers!!!!

P.S. I didnt even point out how burning all those albums cause havok in our atmosphere as did cutting down extra trees to add stickers to albums.

GREAT family them Gores! They ought to hitch a ride on the ozone friendly Jimmy Carter Crusade Rocket. It's fueled by atmosphere conscience low fat peanut ethonol. They can listen to Jimmy Swargart as they circle the globe.

Can someone do me a BIG favor? Pull out your Kilroy CD and send me the catalog number for the CD? This is usually on the spine of the CD. I can't find this information anywhere and I need it for something I am writing.

(and yes, I will share what I am writing once I have it written for my class).

Ash wrote:Can someone do me a BIG favor? Pull out your Kilroy CD and send me the catalog number for the CD? This is usually on the spine of the CD. I can't find this information anywhere and I need it for something I am writing.

(and yes, I will share what I am writing once I have it written for my class).

The US CD (original) is CD 3734. And that's off the top of my head.

StyxCollector wrote:

Ash wrote:Can someone do me a BIG favor? Pull out your Kilroy CD and send me the catalog number for the CD? This is usually on the spine of the CD. I can't find this information anywhere and I need it for something I am writing.

(and yes, I will share what I am writing once I have it written for my class).

The US CD (original) is CD 3734. And that's off the top of my head.

Well done,but I bet you,that you don't remember you and your partners anniversary date.

Kilroy needs to stay shelved. Honestly, haven't there been ENOUGH epic stories about an oppressive future where everything is censored already???? If anything, I think the OPPOSITE is more likely, where EVERYTHING is permissible in the future because societ's standards are in decay. Think I'm wrong? Well, pedophiles are trying to get the same legal protections now offered to gays, which had been denied them for years.

Besides, those robots in Kilroy would be deemed offensive by Asians now. Big Japanese robots with buck teeth? Sounds like that old Bugs Bunny cartoon called "Bugs Nips the Nips" which you can't find anywhere now because it's 'offensive'...never mind that it was made specifically for that purpose during WWII.

Concepts are a tough thing to get right in rock music. I think Paradise Theatre, while not a 'structured' concept, is far superior to Kilroy in that respect simply because it's not trying for some goofy sci-fi angle. Besides, Rush had already tackled the whole "oppressive future" idea much better seven years earlier with 2112.

The Kilroy film at the beginning of Caught in the Act COULD have made a great movie for the band, and this coming from a guy that doesn't dig Mr. Roboto in the least. If that film was made into a full length film, it could've been really cool. Already, it's a cool little film, but if it would've been fleshed out and seriously acted, produced, etc. I think it could've been a better movie than it was an album and tour.

Actually BF, Robotos have been introduced in Japan by Honda. While the pedophiles are trying to get whatever, the rest of society (at least in the US) is becoming more restrictive, intrusive, and hey, everyone's pretty much on film these days. The pedophile thing will never happen. It WOULD be nice if the Catholic church would do their part in banishing them...

To me the most frustrating thing about how the rest of the band viewed Kilroy, is that on that album you got your strongest work from JY and two very strong songs from Tommy (JGTTN and HWBHB). Also, Tommy's singing is at its best. I saw the JYG about 15 years ago, and the high points of his show were HMP and DL.
Also, production-wise, it is DDY's magnum opus (especially side 2).

Blue Falcon wrote:Think I'm wrong? Well, pedophiles are trying to get the same legal protections now offered to gays, which had been denied them for years.

I must have missed FOX news last week.

I would agree that side two of KWH features some of the strongest Styx songs ever - "Just Get Through This Night", "Double Life", and "Haven't We Been Here Before". Rockers? No, but it doesn't matter.

I always thought Just Get Through This Night was OK, but was a little whiny. I never cared for Double Life, but I thought HMP was decent enough.

I was doing a paper for class on a piece of work art that dealt with technology and it's commentary/viewpoint on where technology and humanity were headed.

At the last minute, I changed from Kilroy to another work since I felt it made for a stronger paper. I guess at some poitn I could finish my kilroy paper and share. Perhaps I will.