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Suspend your belief for a minute and consider this...go back in time

The year is 1999....Styx, consisting of DDY, JY, TS, Glenn (Chuck is still retired), Todd do not release Brave New World, but instead spends more time in the studio, writing, playing etc. and releases (Insert title, but for now call it One hundred Cycloramas from now). The album has a overall theme of death, redemption, and rebirth. The songs on it are as follows...(order not important)

One Hundred Years From Now - duet with DeYoung and Shaw
Waiting For Our Time
This Time Next Year
Save Me
One With Everything
Crossing the Rubicon
These Are The Times
Yes I Can
Forgiveness
Everything Is Cool
Rain
Everything All The Time
While There's Still Time
Kiss Your A$$ Goodbye

The band, excited after coming up with these 14 songs, is renewed and ready to commence on a large scale tour in the summer of 1999 across major outdoor venues in North America and Canada. The band is getting along famously because of what they have produced jointly together in one studio.

The first single, a true duet of DeYoung and Shaw "100 Years" is released to radio and "Yes I Can" is released to AC.

Not that we will ever know, but what do you think happens? Does the album breakthrough? Does it do better than BNW? Does Styx have their Santana moment? Do they get the cred that they always lacked? Does the ROR HOF take notice? Or does it come and go without a trace....

Before you answer, remember to place yourself in the context of 1999 - Styx had huge comeback tours in 1996 and 97 and at this point would have taken 1998 off.

Discuss....

You picked some great tracks, but honestly, the first thought that came to my head was.. there aint no way Shaw could pull off the duet on "100 Years From Now", but after kickin' it around for a minute, could it possibly work if dennis did the part that was originally done by the Canadian guy(sorry, too lazy to look it up), and Tommy took care of Dennis' old parts? I can kinda hear it.. interesting; you might be onto something.

Would this compilation of songs, plus the band sticking together have been more successful than what we got with "Brave New World"? Well, I think that's kind of a no brainer.. Santana? Well, are they going to get Rob Thomas, too?

I would say "100 Years From Now" and "Crossing The Rubicon" could have climbed the mainstream rock charts and who knows.. The time was right, the iron was hot, and they missed their chance. We will never know now.. It would have done better than "BNW" and "Cyclorama", I can say that much. Maybe not "Big Bangeroo"

BlackWall wrote:You picked some great tracks, but honestly, the first thought that came to my head was.. there aint no way Shaw could pull off the duet on "100 Years From Now", but after kickin' it around for a minute, could it possibly work if dennis did the part that was originally done by the Canadian guy(sorry, too lazy to look it up), and Tommy took care of Dennis' old parts? I can kinda hear it.. interesting; you might be onto something.

Would this compilation of songs, plus the band sticking together have been more successful than what we got with "Brave New World"? Well, I think that's kind of a no brainer.. Santana? Well, are they going to get Rob Thomas, too?

I would say "100 Years From Now" and "Crossing The Rubicon" could have climbed the mainstream rock charts and who knows.. The time was right, the iron was hot, and they missed there chance. We will never know now.. It would have done better than "BNW" and "Cyclorama", I can say that much. Maybe not "Big Bangeroo"

The Canadians name would be Lawrence Gowan .sad you were to lazy to look it up.

The album would still be a failure commercially. I think though if DDY stayed with Styx they would not have toured as much, but when they did tour they would be larger tours in bigger venues, a Styx tour would be more similar to a Rush tour. No way the bad would ever sell a million copies of an album of new songs though.

LtVanish wrote:The album would still be a failure commercially. I think though if DDY stayed with Styx they would not have toured as much, but when they did tour they would be larger tours in bigger venues, a Styx tour would be more similar to a Rush tour. No way the bad would ever sell a million copies of an album of new songs though.

Without massive promotion, I agree that this album would not have been a big success commercially. And, of course, a number of the DDY songs on your fantasy track list were written as a direct result of being booted from the band.

"100 Years" would have been a possibility. Oh. And Eric Lapointe was the Canadian singer with Dennis on that song.


Bugsy

It would have needed massive promotion. And it wouldn't have gotten it. But it would have been a much better album. Especially if they had recorded it in a studio All together. And NOT at Dennis' house! How bout Pumpkin studios In Chicago???? Does that place still exist??!!

If that had happened, and Dennis hadn't gotten "Sick", and they somehow had stayed together, I would have been much happier if they had continued touring every 2-3 years as the real Styx (Dennis/Tommy/JY) then I am with the 2 bands that tour every year now.

But that's just me. And my brother. And my best friend. And his brother. We've only been Styx fans since around 1973 or 1974. What do we know? LOL.

Denny would still be a control freak, everyone else would still hate him. They would only do 20 shows because Denny has to fly off to his oh so important gig hawking cubic zirconium on QVC

IMO dennis screwed himself out of whatever chance he had of returning when he sued them. If he would've quit trying to be lord & master and trying to have the world revole around him he might and that's a big might still be in the band that he CO FOUNDED today. Styx didn't screw dennis dennis screwed dennis JMO.

Toph, good thread.. I posted this a little while back, but see what you think of this tracklisting, but they didn't include songs from BNW, just songs from Cyclo, CYO and 100 Years:

1) Rain
2) Kiss Your Ass Goodbye (Cause Well Glen is still kinda in Styx!)
3) One With Everything
4) I Believe In You
5) Save Me
6) These Are The Times
7) This Time Next Year
8. Just Be
9) Fooling Yourself Palm Of Your Hand (Cool intro to CNN)
10) Turn Off CNN
11) I Don't Believe In Anything
12) Together
13) Killing The Thing That You Love (What better way to bury the hatchet with the song supposedly about Dennis!)
14) Yes I Can
15) Crossing The Rubicon

Bonus Tracks:
16) Everything All The Time
17) All For Love
18. 100 Years From Now - English Version (With Tommy or Glen doing the 2nd verse)

I happen to agree with you. Dennis did screw himself. Without that lawsuit, he may have had a chance back in some day. I'm sure all the people in his ear at the time told him to sue them. It's just a friggin shame.

cittadeeno23 wrote:I happen to agree with you. Dennis did screw himself. Without that lawsuit, he may have had a chance back in some day. I'm sure all the people in his ear at the time told him to sue them. It's just a friggin shame.

This is a classic rewriting of history. The members of "Styx" were bad mouthing DDY left and right BEFORE the suit. JY's famous "when we play hockey on the river Styx" was before the lawsuit. So they were not about to reform the real band anytime soon.

BTW, DDY had every fucking right to sue those assholes. They were profiting off something he created. He deserves a large slice of that pie.

And Nightbull, you might be the creepiest fucking person I've ever encountered.

Right back at ya higgy. I am probably the least creepiest you will ever meet. Just ask froy

Higgy wrote:And Nightbull, you might be the creepiest fucking person I've ever encountered.

Coming from the guy with Freddy in his Avatar.

chowhall wrote:

Higgy wrote:And Nightbull, you might be the creepiest fucking person I've ever encountered.

Coming from the guy with Freddy in his Avatar.

Not even close to Freddy...

Good point chow. Freddy blows anyway i'm more of a jason/michael fan.

Higgy wrote:

cittadeeno23 wrote:I happen to agree with you. Dennis did screw himself. Without that lawsuit, he may have had a chance back in some day. I'm sure all the people in his ear at the time told him to sue them. It's just a friggin shame.

This is a classic rewriting of history. The members of "Styx" were bad mouthing DDY left and right BEFORE the suit. JY's famous "when we play hockey on the river Styx" was before the lawsuit. So they were not about to reform the real band anytime soon.

BTW, DDY had every fucking right to sue those assholes. They were profiting off something he created. He deserves a large slice of that pie.

And Nightbull, you might be the creepiest fucking person I've ever encountered.

It goes both ways dumbass. DDY was and still is profiting off of something the others helped create. Many of DDY's hits were created jointly with the OTHERS. Those songs would not have been the same without the OTHERS. Get a clue...foo.

My list....

1. Everything Is Cool
2. This Time Next Year
3. One With Everything
4. While There's Still Time
5. I Will Be Your Witness
6. 100 Years From Now
7. These Are The Times
8. Yes I Can
9. Killing The Thing That You Love
10.Everything All The Time
11.Kiss Your Ass Goodbye
12.Crossing The Rubicon
13.Together
14.Goodbye Roseland

These threads always become a dog chasing its own tail.

Styx with Dennis and your choice of bass player would not have had a Santana moment if you combined the best from the post-RTP studio releases: 7DZ, BNW, Cyclorama, and 100 Years from Now. As a Rush fan myself, I don't think Styx would tour like Rush because since reforming in 1996, Styx always did at least double bills for places like sheds. Rush plays them alone. The days of Styx playing larger venues on their own are long gone - they left in 1984.

What happened in and to Styx has happened to a million bands. "I played <insert part here> therefore I should get 20% of the writing credit." At the end of the day, for fans it's about the music, and at some point when success creeps in, it's about the music as well as money for a lot of members of bands since you have one or two (Dennis, Tommy) making more than the others. It's not right or wrong, it is what it is. In the same way, you could ask why Dennis didn't get a co-writing credit for his contributions to "Renegade". He didn't, and I'm pretty sure he brought some stuff to the table, as did probably JY, et al.

Is anyone here really that naive to think that the acrimonious split in 1999 was going anywhere but a lawsuit given what was said by both sides at the time? To their credit, it was settled out of court since it would have made everyone look just as bad I think. Neither camp wanted to sling mud on either side more than they already did because you ruin the brand. Some would say it was ruined before then, but that's why opinions are like assholes: everyone has one.

In 1999 I didn't think Dennis would play with Styx again, but I think at this point, it definitely won't happen. In the back of my mind I figured time would soften a few things and it would take 5 - 7 years, they'd do one final hurrah with "the classic lineup", but now that we're in 2010, that ship has sailed. If you're holding out hope, don't.

StyxCollector wrote:These threads always become a dog chasing its own tail.

Styx with Dennis and your choice of bass player would not have had a Santana moment if you combined the best from the post-RTP studio releases: 7DZ, BNW, Cyclorama, and 100 Years from Now. As a Rush fan myself, I don't think Styx would tour like Rush because since reforming in 1996, Styx always did at least double bills for places like sheds. Rush plays them alone. The days of Styx playing larger venues on their own are long gone - they left in 1984.

What happened in and to Styx has happened to a million bands. "I played <insert part here> therefore I should get 20% of the writing credit." At the end of the day, for fans it's about the music, and at some point when success creeps in, it's about the music as well as money for a lot of members of bands since you have one or two (Dennis, Tommy) making more than the others. It's not right or wrong, it is what it is. In the same way, you could ask why Dennis didn't get a co-writing credit for his contributions to "Renegade". He didn't, and I'm pretty sure he brought some stuff to the table, as did probably JY, et al.

Is anyone here really that naive to think that the acrimonious split in 1999 was going anywhere but a lawsuit given what was said by both sides at the time? To their credit, it was settled out of court since it would have made everyone look just as bad I think. Neither camp wanted to sling mud on either side more than they already did because you ruin the brand. Some would say it was ruined before then, but that's why opinions are like assholes: everyone has one.

In 1999 I didn't think Dennis would play with Styx again, but I think at this point, it definitely won't happen. In the back of my mind I figured time would soften a few things and it would take 5 - 7 years, they'd do one final hurrah with "the classic lineup", but now that we're in 2010, that ship has sailed. If you're holding out hope, don't.

Absolutely on the money, Allan.

Add me to whatever list exists of those who think that Dennis will never reunite with his former band.

Both are on two totally different tracks and I don't see them ever meeting up again.

Most definitely, as you say, that ship has sailed.

Bugsy

bugsymalone wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:These threads always become a dog chasing its own tail.

Styx with Dennis and your choice of bass player would not have had a Santana moment if you combined the best from the post-RTP studio releases: 7DZ, BNW, Cyclorama, and 100 Years from Now. As a Rush fan myself, I don't think Styx would tour like Rush because since reforming in 1996, Styx always did at least double bills for places like sheds. Rush plays them alone. The days of Styx playing larger venues on their own are long gone - they left in 1984.

What happened in and to Styx has happened to a million bands. "I played <insert part here> therefore I should get 20% of the writing credit." At the end of the day, for fans it's about the music, and at some point when success creeps in, it's about the music as well as money for a lot of members of bands since you have one or two (Dennis, Tommy) making more than the others. It's not right or wrong, it is what it is. In the same way, you could ask why Dennis didn't get a co-writing credit for his contributions to "Renegade". He didn't, and I'm pretty sure he brought some stuff to the table, as did probably JY, et al.

Is anyone here really that naive to think that the acrimonious split in 1999 was going anywhere but a lawsuit given what was said by both sides at the time? To their credit, it was settled out of court since it would have made everyone look just as bad I think. Neither camp wanted to sling mud on either side more than they already did because you ruin the brand. Some would say it was ruined before then, but that's why opinions are like assholes: everyone has one.

In 1999 I didn't think Dennis would play with Styx again, but I think at this point, it definitely won't happen. In the back of my mind I figured time would soften a few things and it would take 5 - 7 years, they'd do one final hurrah with "the classic lineup", but now that we're in 2010, that ship has sailed. If you're holding out hope, don't.

Absolutely on the money, Allan.

Add me to whatever list exists of those who think that Dennis will never reunite with his former band.

Both are on two totally different tracks and I don't see them ever meeting up again.

Most definitely, as you say, that ship has sailed.

Bugsy

I agree with you also on the reuniting of the band, unless hell freezes over and they get into the Hall of Shame somehow, that is the only way I see it happening, but I believe it would only be that night. That is of course unless they pull a Van Halen.