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"It's really important if you're going to remain a valid band that you play your new stuff. Otherwise you become a parody of what you started out doing. But it's impossible. Back in the early 80s you could probably do it, but now with YouTube and downloading, the songs would all be out before the album was out. We did Somewhere Back in Time and that dealt with the 80s, and the time before that we did A Matter of Life and Death, just the one album. You can't go out and play the greatest hits every time – it's important to play the newer songs because we really believe in them." - Janick Gers of Iron Maiden

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I watched Iron Maiden play to an extremely enthusiastic crowd of 20,000 people last night at the First Niagara Pavilion. Their set list consisted of sixteen songs; ten new songs and six greatest hit/classic songs. The issue isn't necessarily that the fans want to hear old music; they simply want to hear good music. Enough of the Damn Yankees B-side kind of songs like "Difference In The World" Write some good hard rock/progressive songs as a full band. "One With Everything" was a step in the right direction. What happened to that writing mode?

fuck off archetype

Archetype wrote:

"It's really important if you're going to remain a valid band that you play your new stuff. Otherwise you become a parody of what you started out doing. But it's impossible. Back in the early 80s you could probably do it, but now with YouTube and downloading, the songs would all be out before the album was out. We did Somewhere Back in Time and that dealt with the 80s, and the time before that we did A Matter of Life and Death, just the one album. You can't go out and play the greatest hits every time – it's important to play the newer songs because we really believe in them." - Janick Gers of Iron Maiden

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I watched Iron Maiden play to an extremely enthusiastic crowd of 20,000 people last night at the First Niagara Pavilion. Their set list consisted of sixteen songs; ten new songs and six greatest hit/classic songs. The issue isn't necessarily that the fans want to hear old music; they simply want to hear good music. Enough of the Damn Yankees B-side kind of songs like "Difference In The World" Write some good hard rock/progressive songs as a full band. "One With Everything" was a step in the right direction. What happened to that writing mode?

Good luck with them taking a hint from something like this. In recent interviews JY seems to have made it clear not to expect a full album of new material from Styx. To him there isn't an outlet for them to do so and I think he seems to feel that is not what the over all fan base wants. Not sure what TS thinks on the subject but he seems to be releasing new solo material. Maybe he does not share JY's opinion on the matter. I think that the so called "lots of new material Styx has written together" will ever see the light of day. What I don't fully understand is why bother working on material that will never be released for your fans to hear.

Boomchild wrote:

Archetype wrote:

"It's really important if you're going to remain a valid band that you play your new stuff. Otherwise you become a parody of what you started out doing. But it's impossible. Back in the early 80s you could probably do it, but now with YouTube and downloading, the songs would all be out before the album was out. We did Somewhere Back in Time and that dealt with the 80s, and the time before that we did A Matter of Life and Death, just the one album. You can't go out and play the greatest hits every time – it's important to play the newer songs because we really believe in them." - Janick Gers of Iron Maiden

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I watched Iron Maiden play to an extremely enthusiastic crowd of 20,000 people last night at the First Niagara Pavilion. Their set list consisted of sixteen songs; ten new songs and six greatest hit/classic songs. The issue isn't necessarily that the fans want to hear old music; they simply want to hear good music. Enough of the Damn Yankees B-side kind of songs like "Difference In The World" Write some good hard rock/progressive songs as a full band. "One With Everything" was a step in the right direction. What happened to that writing mode?

Good luck with them taking a hint from something like this. In recent interviews JY seems to have made it clear not to expect a full album of new material from Styx. To him there isn't an outlet for them to do so and I think he seems to feel that is not what the over all fan base wants. Not sure what TS thinks on the subject but he seems to be releasing new solo material. Maybe he does not share JY's opinion on the matter. I think that the so called "lots of new material Styx has written together" will ever see the light of day. What I don't fully understand is why bother working on material that will never be released for your fans to hear.

if anything they should just do it for themselves

Boomchild wrote:

Archetype wrote:

"It's really important if you're going to remain a valid band that you play your new stuff. Otherwise you become a parody of what you started out doing. But it's impossible. Back in the early 80s you could probably do it, but now with YouTube and downloading, the songs would all be out before the album was out. We did Somewhere Back in Time and that dealt with the 80s, and the time before that we did A Matter of Life and Death, just the one album. You can't go out and play the greatest hits every time – it's important to play the newer songs because we really believe in them." - Janick Gers of Iron Maiden

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I watched Iron Maiden play to an extremely enthusiastic crowd of 20,000 people last night at the First Niagara Pavilion. Their set list consisted of sixteen songs; ten new songs and six greatest hit/classic songs. The issue isn't necessarily that the fans want to hear old music; they simply want to hear good music. Enough of the Damn Yankees B-side kind of songs like "Difference In The World" Write some good hard rock/progressive songs as a full band. "One With Everything" was a step in the right direction. What happened to that writing mode?

Good luck with them taking a hint from something like this. In recent interviews JY seems to have made it clear not to expect a full album of new material from Styx. To him there isn't an outlet for them to do so and I think he seems to feel that is not what the over all fan base wants. Not sure what TS thinks on the subject but he seems to be releasing new solo material. Maybe he does not share JY's opinion on the matter. I think that the so called "lots of new material Styx has written together" will ever see the light of day. What I don't fully understand is why bother working on material that will never be released for your fans to hear.

Why not Itunes ???Do you think they would do that?????

They should do it simply because another night of playing the same set would have most band's blowing their brains out by their 30th year.

To JY who says there's no outlet, that may be true, unfortunately. People that go to Styx concerts for the most part aren't Itunes savvy enough to create a dent in sales. However- there are a LOT of younger bands out there that are just doing iTunes and releases from their own site. They're not getting rich off of it, but it allows them to get new music to their fanbase. Styx is kind of doing that with the song they just released. I don't know if they're playing that one live or anything, but they did try the "download our song" approach but I don't think it created much of a buzz.

Unfortunately, it looks like Styx has truly just become a nostalgia act. That's such a bummer.
Glad that Journey and Cheap Trick are still making new music.

brywool wrote:They should do it simply because another night of playing the same set would have most band's blowing their brains out by their 30th year.

To JY who says there's no outlet, that may be true, unfortunately. People that go to Styx concerts for the most part aren't Itunes savvy enough to create a dent in sales. However- there are a LOT of younger bands out there that are just doing iTunes and releases from their own site. They're not getting rich off of it, but it allows them to get new music to their fanbase. Styx is kind of doing that with the song they just released. I don't know if they're playing that one live or anything, but they did try the "download our song" approach but I don't think it created much of a buzz.

Unfortunately, it looks like Styx has truly just become a nostalgia act. That's such a bummer.
Glad that Journey and Cheap Trick are still making new music.

By releasing that song through their web site, they can tell exactly how many times it is downloaded. That tells them the demand for their music because all the die hards are members.

But remember what was talked about in another thread, Even acts like Perry are giving their music away for free. That should tell you the overall demand for new music from veteran artists.

chickenbeef wrote:fuck off archetype

You always add the most intelligent comments! I'm jealous.

styxfanNH wrote:

brywool wrote:They should do it simply because another night of playing the same set would have most band's blowing their brains out by their 30th year.

To JY who says there's no outlet, that may be true, unfortunately. People that go to Styx concerts for the most part aren't Itunes savvy enough to create a dent in sales. However- there are a LOT of younger bands out there that are just doing iTunes and releases from their own site. They're not getting rich off of it, but it allows them to get new music to their fanbase. Styx is kind of doing that with the song they just released. I don't know if they're playing that one live or anything, but they did try the "download our song" approach but I don't think it created much of a buzz.

Unfortunately, it looks like Styx has truly just become a nostalgia act. That's such a bummer.
Glad that Journey and Cheap Trick are still making new music.

By releasing that song through their web site, they can tell exactly how many times it is downloaded. That tells them the demand for their music because all the die hards are members.

But remember what was talked about in another thread, Even acts like Perry are giving their music away for free. That should tell you the overall demand for new music from veteran artists.

Perry who? Katy Perry? Steve Perry doesn't have any new music to give away, or an official website to give it away on.

Archetype wrote:

"It's really important if you're going to remain a valid band that you play your new stuff. Otherwise you become a parody of what you started out doing. But it's impossible. Back in the early 80s you could probably do it, but now with YouTube and downloading, the songs would all be out before the album was out. We did Somewhere Back in Time and that dealt with the 80s, and the time before that we did A Matter of Life and Death, just the one album. You can't go out and play the greatest hits every time – it's important to play the newer songs because we really believe in them." - Janick Gers of Iron Maiden

Full article

I watched Iron Maiden play to an extremely enthusiastic crowd of 20,000 people last night at the First Niagara Pavilion. Their set list consisted of sixteen songs; ten new songs and six greatest hit/classic songs. The issue isn't necessarily that the fans want to hear old music; they simply want to hear good music. Enough of the Damn Yankees B-side kind of songs like "Difference In The World" Write some good hard rock/progressive songs as a full band. "One With Everything" was a step in the right direction. What happened to that writing mode?

While this is good in theory for Styx, it unfortunately does not apply. Iron Maiden is a metal band and they have never had a hit. There following is die hard and built on people buying their records and listening to them non-stop. It is really just a different world. Once you cross into the mainstream with Hot 100 hits you draw from the casual fan who only know the hits and only want to hear the hits and there are almost no exceptions to this.

To this day, outside of Headbanger’s Ball there is no place to listen to metal. Prog Rock is the same way, but the luxury is that they can play whatever they want and the fans will dig it. There are bands out there that tour successfully, some on a small scale, some on a larger scale that play different sets every night.

Over the course of a year Styx will play to a far larger audience than Maiden, but it require them to play the hits and be on the road 10 of 12 months.

To me I would prefer them to play random sets with the key hits songs every night and they need to play longer sets when they are by themselves. 90 minutes just doesn’t cut it. An evening with Styx should mean a 2-hour set. This would give them more time to delve deeper into their catalog.

Additionally, the newer tracks are similar to Shaw/Blades, not Damn Yankees. Damn Yankees were a rock band. Although I would prefer Styx not play High Enough at all, it was much better with Glen singing the second part. This is not a slam on Gowan, but his voice does not fit the song. Neither would Dennis’.

Boomchild wrote: In recent interviews JY seems to have made it clear not to expect a full album of new material from Styx.

That's not exactly true. In the last JY interview, he said the market concentrates on singles. So, they release a single here and there and eventually have enough out there for a full album. So, they could release an album of "Just Be", "Everything All the Time", "I Am the Walrun", the two Christmas songs from the CYO album, the new song on their website, and a few other new ones.

To him there isn't an outlet for them to do so and I think he seems to feel that is not what the over all fan base wants.

I disagree with this too. Of course he knows the 'fanbase' wants new music...that should be a given. He, and I'm sure the rest of the band, knows that it it is probably not worth the time to take off touring to sit down and do an entire album worth of writing and recording together to release a full album...all of that costs money, and leaving touring also eliminates income...so it doesn't make sense to do that and release an album that won't sell enough to make up for the investment So, they do a new song here and there. From what Ricky said, they have done a lot of writing on the road, but have not taken it to the studio...this is probably why.

Not sure what TS thinks on the subject but he seems to be releasing new solo material. Maybe he does not share JY's opinion on the matter. I think that the so called "lots of new material Styx has written together" will ever see the light of day. What I don't fully understand is why bother working on material that will never be released for your fans to hear.

Because they are musicians and songwriters. I bet half the songs written by a band like Styx never make it to an album.

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote: In recent interviews JY seems to have made it clear not to expect a full album of new material from Styx.

That's not exactly true. In the last JY interview, he said the market concentrates on singles. So, they release a single here and there and eventually have enough out there for a full album. So, they could release an album of "Just Be", "Everything All the Time", "I Am the Walrun", the two Christmas songs from the CYO album, the new song on their website, and a few other new ones.

To him there isn't an outlet for them to do so and I think he seems to feel that is not what the over all fan base wants.

I disagree with this too. Of course he knows the 'fanbase' wants new music...that should be a given. He, and I'm sure the rest of the band, knows that it it is probably not worth the time to take off touring to sit down and do an entire album worth of writing and recording together to release a full album...all of that costs money, and leaving touring also eliminates income...so it doesn't make sense to do that and release an album that won't sell enough to make up for the investment So, they do a new song here and there. From what Ricky said, they have done a lot of writing on the road, but have not taken it to the studio...this is probably why.

Not sure what TS thinks on the subject but he seems to be releasing new solo material. Maybe he does not share JY's opinion on the matter. I think that the so called "lots of new material Styx has written together" will ever see the light of day. What I don't fully understand is why bother working on material that will never be released for your fans to hear.

Because they are musicians and songwriters. I bet half the songs written by a band like Styx never make it to an album.

All I can say is, I wouldn't hold my breath for a new album from Styx. They just are not going to release anything substantial because theres no money in it.

chickenbeef wrote:fuck off archetype

How about you go first?

Andrew wrote:

chickenbeef wrote:fuck off archetype

How about you go first?

no thanks

[quote="Monker

Because they are musicians and songwriters. I bet half the songs written by a band like Styx never make it to an album.[/quote]

And i bet that is so ture.