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I read on another board that Paradise was actually written during the Paradise Theatre sessions, but was not included because it didn't fit into the theme as well as other songs. I thought that was interesting. Had Paradise been on PT would that have been the elusive third single and top 10 hit that Styx never got with any album and catapulted Paradise Theatre sales wise as Hi Infidelity (4 hits) and Journey Escape (4 hit singles, 4 top 20s, 3 top 10s)?

I'm looking for real insight here and not the Dennis bashers saying how shitty it would have been to have another DDY ballad on Paradise Theatre - we all know that you are going to say that so don't waste your effort typing it. So for others, would it have worked in 1981.

I thought that it was written for DDY's Hunchback musical.

It's a GREAT song!!!

yogi wrote:I thought that it was written for DDY's Hunchback musical.

It's a GREAT song!!!

I thought the samething Yogi. i love the song myself.

As far as I know, it's Hunchback. Artists can have songs written for awhile, but I don't think this one dates back to 1980/81.

I thought the Styx version of Paradise was really strong. Had Styx produced an album full of songs the way that "On My Way" and "Paradise" were produced, it would have been a really, really good record.

Ash wrote:I thought the Styx version of Paradise was really strong. Had Styx produced an album full of songs the way that "On My Way" and "Paradise" were produced, it would have been a really, really good record.

You nailed it Ash

Toph wrote:I read on another board that Paradise was actually written during the Paradise Theatre sessions, but was not included because it didn't fit into the theme as well as other songs. I thought that was interesting. Had Paradise been on PT would that have been the elusive third single and top 10 hit that Styx never got with any album and catapulted Paradise Theatre sales wise as Hi Infidelity (4 hits) and Journey Escape (4 hit singles, 4 top 20s, 3 top 10s)?

I'm looking for real insight here and not the Dennis bashers saying how shitty it would have been to have another DDY ballad on Paradise Theatre - we all know that you are going to say that so don't waste your effort typing it. So for others, would it have worked in 1981.

Hmmm . . . like a lot of people, I had understood that was written for 'Hunchback', and in fact there was a version on there with a different lyric. But maybe THAT version was altered from the original, then changed back to be recorded for Styx, LOL, who knows? I think "Goodbye Roseland" was originally written around 1987 or 1988, so Dennis does sometimes re-visit stuff from a while back. Which is cool, actually, because good songs should not go to waste.

I like "Paradise" a lot and absolutely think it would have been a hit in 1981. I probably would have preferred to hear it recorded on a real piano instead of the keyboard it was, but I still like the recording and especially the vocal performance.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:

Toph wrote:I read on another board that Paradise was actually written during the Paradise Theatre sessions, but was not included because it didn't fit into the theme as well as other songs. I thought that was interesting. Had Paradise been on PT would that have been the elusive third single and top 10 hit that Styx never got with any album and catapulted Paradise Theatre sales wise as Hi Infidelity (4 hits) and Journey Escape (4 hit singles, 4 top 20s, 3 top 10s)?

I'm looking for real insight here and not the Dennis bashers saying how shitty it would have been to have another DDY ballad on Paradise Theatre - we all know that you are going to say that so don't waste your effort typing it. So for others, would it have worked in 1981.

Hmmm . . . like a lot of people, I had understood that was written for 'Hunchback', and in fact there was a version on there with a different lyric. But maybe THAT version was altered from the original, then changed back to be recorded for Styx, LOL, who knows? I think "Goodbye Roseland" was originally written around 1987 or 1988, so Dennis does sometimes re-visit stuff from a while back. Which is cool, actually, because good songs should not go to waste.

I like "Paradise" a lot and absolutely think it would have been a hit in 1981. I probably would have preferred to hear it recorded on a real piano instead of the keyboard it was, but I still like the recording and especially the vocal performance.


Sterling

Dennis pretty much hit a peak, vocally, between mid/late eighties to late nineties. I know touring with JCS helped him learn to use his voice properly, which I feel he carries to this day. You can really hear an improvement in range in that period of time, IMO.


Bugsy

I just read on some music insight service that has covered Styx for 30 + years that the song Paradise was suppose to be on The Man Of Miracles album. The music 'gurus' at Wooden Nikle pulled the song at the last minute in favor of Christopher Mr Christopher.

The song was then forgotten until Dennis dusted it off for it's return on The Paradise Theatre Album, but Tommy threw some sort of fit about 'another soft DDY ballad' so it was pulled and replaced by the'hard rocking' "She Cares".

Finally, it was once again suppose to appear on the Kilroy Was Here album Dennis had figured out a way for it to fit into the Roboto type theme. At the last minute The A&M 'Braintrust' had a revelation that disco was about to make a HUGE comback so Tommy's epic disco song Cold War was added to the album, and Paradise was pulled.

Dennis then just figured that it was not a pop/rock type song so he reworded some of the lyrics and it was used in his Hunchback musical.

yogi wrote:I just read on some music insight service that has covered Styx for 30 + years that the song Paradise was suppose to be on The Man Of Miracles album. The music 'gurus' at Wooden Nikle pulled the song at the last minute in favor of Christopher Mr Christopher.

The song was then forgotten until Dennis dusted it off for it's return on The Paradise Theatre Album, but Tommy threw some sort of fit about 'another soft DDY ballad' so it was pulled and replaced by the'hard rocking' "She Cares".

Finally, it was once again suppose to appear on the Kilroy Was Here album Dennis had figured out a way for it to fit into the Roboto type theme. At the last minute The A&M 'Braintrust' had a revelation that disco was about to make a HUGE comback so Tommy's epic disco song Cold War was added to the album, and Paradise was pulled.

Dennis then just figured that it was not a pop/rock type song so he reworded some of the lyrics and it was used in his Hunchback musical.

Hey folks - never meant to imply that this was a proven fact - just saw it on a youtube posting for Paradise by some fan that said it was supposed to be on PT - who knows if that person is correct at all. But this is funny though.

Perhaps a complete different version of Paradise was written back around that time, but if you ask me the song sounds very very similar to Show Me the Way if you ask me.

Toph wrote:

yogi wrote:I just read on some music insight service that has covered Styx for 30 + years that the song Paradise was suppose to be on The Man Of Miracles album. The music 'gurus' at Wooden Nikle pulled the song at the last minute in favor of Christopher Mr Christopher.

The song was then forgotten until Dennis dusted it off for it's return on The Paradise Theatre Album, but Tommy threw some sort of fit about 'another soft DDY ballad' so it was pulled and replaced by the'hard rocking' "She Cares".

Finally, it was once again suppose to appear on the Kilroy Was Here album Dennis had figured out a way for it to fit into the Roboto type theme. At the last minute The A&M 'Braintrust' had a revelation that disco was about to make a HUGE comback so Tommy's epic disco song Cold War was added to the album, and Paradise was pulled.

Dennis then just figured that it was not a pop/rock type song so he reworded some of the lyrics and it was used in his Hunchback musical.

Hey folks - never meant to imply that this was a proven fact - just saw it on a youtube posting for Paradise by some fan that said it was supposed to be on PT - who knows if that person is correct at all. But this is funny though.

Well, if it's on YouTube then it's fact. I take everything on there as gospel.

yogi wrote:I just read on some music insight service that has covered Styx for 30 + years that the song Paradise was suppose to be on The Man Of Miracles album. The music 'gurus' at Wooden Nikle pulled the song at the last minute in favor of Christopher Mr Christopher.

The song was then forgotten until Dennis dusted it off for it's return on The Paradise Theatre Album, but Tommy threw some sort of fit about 'another soft DDY ballad' so it was pulled and replaced by the'hard rocking' "She Cares".

Finally, it was once again suppose to appear on the Kilroy Was Here album Dennis had figured out a way for it to fit into the Roboto type theme. At the last minute The A&M 'Braintrust' had a revelation that disco was about to make a HUGE comback so Tommy's epic disco song Cold War was added to the album, and Paradise was pulled.

Dennis then just figured that it was not a pop/rock type song so he reworded some of the lyrics and it was used in his Hunchback musical.

Wow are you gone