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from nick,

didn't get a chance to see the show in waukegan, probably won't see them on this tour, any chance we will get an official live dvd and cd from this, while i would love for dennis to come back and be a part of this, the reailty is they are doing two great album and some great songs i have never seen them perform, from the clips i have seen on youtube that opening is really cool, how did they do it for piece of 8?, any info is appreciated

Not sure but i sure hope so.I see them on 11/12/10. Everything i have heard is they rock.

Well i just asked Charlie, so we shall see.

artinis1 wrote:from nick,

didn't get a chance to see the show in waukegan, probably won't see them on this tour, any chance we will get an official live dvd and cd from this, while i would love for dennis to come back and be a part of this, the reailty is they are doing two great album and some great songs i have never seen them perform, from the clips i have seen on youtube that opening is really cool, how did they do it for piece of 8?, any info is appreciated

It would be awesome but don't count on it.

from nick, why not,

they have put out live releases in the past and this is something different, especially with songs that have not appeared live on anything else

Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

from nick,

that's disappointing, the show looks really good, and i was hoping to get some great live versions of man in the wilderness and great white hope

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

So thankfully the world will be saved from yet another "live" recording from Styx...

Unless of course they would put out one that looked like this.

Foolin Yourself
Miss America
Man In The Wilderness
Great White Hope
Sing For The Day
Blue Collar Man
Renegade
Aku Aku

Not exactly a concert's worht of footage....

Toph wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

So thankfully the world will be saved from yet another "live" recording from Styx...

Unless of course they would put out one that looked like this.

Foolin Yourself
Superstars
Miss America
Man In The Wilderness
Grand Finale
Great White Hope
I'm ok
Sing For The Day
Blue Collar Man
Queen Of Spades
Renegade
Aku Aku

Not exactly a concert's worht of footage....

Fixed it for you toph. Funny how you forgot the stuff that was co-written.

Everett wrote:

Toph wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

So thankfully the world will be saved from yet another "live" recording from Styx...

Unless of course they would put out one that looked like this.

Foolin Yourself
Superstars
Miss America
Man In The Wilderness
Grand Finale
Great White Hope
I'm ok
Sing For The Day
Blue Collar Man
Queen Of Spades
Renegade
Aku Aku

Not exactly a concert's worht of footage....

Fixed it for you toph. Funny how you forgot the stuff that was co-written.

You really aren't very bright, are you? If DDY is sold writer or cowriter on any song then that song will not be on a DVD.

Toph wrote:

Everett wrote:

Toph wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

So thankfully the world will be saved from yet another "live" recording from Styx...

Unless of course they would put out one that looked like this.

Foolin Yourself
Superstars
Miss America
Man In The Wilderness
Grand Finale
Great White Hope
I'm ok
Sing For The Day
Blue Collar Man
Queen Of Spades
Renegade
Aku Aku

Not exactly a concert's worht of footage....

Fixed it for you toph. Funny how you forgot the stuff that was co-written.

You really aren't very bright, are you? If DDY is sold writer or cowriter on any song then that song will not be on a DVD.

Dennis only songs will not be on the dvd. That's why grand illusion/come sail away weren't on the cyo dvd. Co written songs will be included. Check and mate!

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

This is true.I still wish they could just all agree & put it out.This is a super special concert & would love to see it on DVD. Oh well.

Everett wrote:

Toph wrote:

Everett wrote:

Toph wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

So thankfully the world will be saved from yet another "live" recording from Styx...

Unless of course they would put out one that looked like this.

Foolin Yourself
Superstars
Miss America
Man In The Wilderness
Grand Finale
Great White Hope
I'm ok
Sing For The Day
Blue Collar Man
Queen Of Spades
Renegade
Aku Aku

Not exactly a concert's worht of footage....

Fixed it for you toph. Funny how you forgot the stuff that was co-written.

You really aren't very bright, are you? If DDY is sold writer or cowriter on any song then that song will not be on a DVD.

Dennis only songs will not be on the dvd. That's why grand illusion/come sail away weren't on the cyo dvd. Co written songs will be included. Check and mate!

How many Dennis co written songs are on 21st century live?
That would be ZERO.
DVD Tracks
Blue Collar Man (Long Nights)
Everything Is Cool
Brave New World
Kiss Your Ass Goodbye
A Criminal Mind
Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)
Heavy Water
Too Much Time On My Hands
These Are The Times

brywool wrote:

Toph wrote:

Everett wrote:

Toph wrote:

Everett wrote:

Toph wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

They are most likely correct. They'd have to get DDY's permission to release video that included his songs - it's different than just releasing CD.

So thankfully the world will be saved from yet another "live" recording from Styx...

Unless of course they would put out one that looked like this.

Foolin Yourself
Superstars
Miss America
Man In The Wilderness
Grand Finale
Great White Hope
I'm ok
Sing For The Day
Blue Collar Man
Queen Of Spades
Renegade
Aku Aku

Not exactly a concert's worht of footage....

Fixed it for you toph. Funny how you forgot the stuff that was co-written.

You really aren't very bright, are you? If DDY is sold writer or cowriter on any song then that song will not be on a DVD.

Dennis only songs will not be on the dvd. That's why grand illusion/come sail away weren't on the cyo dvd. Co written songs will be included. Check and mate!

How many Dennis co written songs are on 21st century live?
That would be ZERO.
DVD Tracks
Blue Collar Man (Long Nights)
Everything Is Cool
Brave New World
Kiss Your Ass Goodbye
A Criminal Mind
Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)
Heavy Water
Too Much Time On My Hands
These Are The Times

Lorelei
Snowblind

Not on there.

but the audio CD of 21st century live had Come Sail Away & Regeneration has that one and Grand Illusion, so how can they release a VD and not a DVD then with thoes songs...

purpleplanet10 wrote:but the audio CD of 21st century live had Come Sail Away & Regeneration has that one and Grand Illusion, so how can they release a VD and not a DVD then with thoes songs...

As I said earlier, there are different rules for licensing audio (plain ol' mechanical license) and then taking audio and doing something like sync'ing up video.

This question was asked of Todd in his interview with Sterling and he flat out said he couldn't see it happening because it was unlikely Dennis would give them permission to release his songs.

styxfanNH wrote:This question was asked of Todd in his interview with Sterling and he flat out said he couldn't see it happening because it was unlikely Dennis would give them permission to release his songs.

Good, I would not want to see this farce,

froy wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:This question was asked of Todd in his interview with Sterling and he flat out said he couldn't see it happening because it was unlikely Dennis would give them permission to release his songs.

Good, I would not want to see this farce,

Well then you don't have to watch it.But some of us would love to have a DVD of it.

styxfanNH wrote:This question was asked of Todd in his interview with Sterling and he flat out said he couldn't see it happening because it was unlikely Dennis would give them permission to release his songs.

That's right. It has to do, as Styxcollector was saying, with bringing a song into a new format like DVD. Many of the songs on these records were written by Dennis and have not appeared on DVD. That requires a sync license, which has to be granted by the author. Dennis of course has no reason to grant any such license. So this coming to DVD ain't happening. You wanna see this, you'd better go see it live.


Sterling

from nick,

still wish we could get some kind of live release out of this, a double live cd would be cool, didn't get a chance to see the show and the you tube clips seem pretty good, just to have live official releases of great white hope and man in the wilderness would be great, maybe they can put out a live ep or something after the tour

To piggyback on the video copyright issue, when a song is co-written, ALL writers must give permision for it to be used for video reproduction or commercial licensing regardless if it's a different singer/performer or not, if I remember correctly. There was great apprehension in Journey's camp during the Wal-mart Deal that Perry woud kill the video portion of the package by blocking all the songs he had co-written. He didn't do it and that actually makes a lot of sense as if he ever wanted to release his own DVD with him singing collaborated Journey songs, the band could pull the same action back on him.

As far as audio retreads, as long as you don't alter the melody or change the lyrics (no tampering with the orignal artist's work without his approval), anyone can pretty much cover any song they want as long as the pay royalties. and file the proper paperwork.

Babyblue wrote:Don't look for one.Becauce of a former member & publishing issues.It would be difficult to do.I have have not heard back from Charlie on this.It is what someone else told me.

"Former Member" just cracks me up. Like it's going to someone other then Dennis. Thank God Dennis would not allow them to put this crap on video. It's bad enough as an audio recording.

Rockwriter wrote: Dennis of course has no reason to grant any such license.

What about money? Wouldn't that be a reason?

It seems that JY must have granted "such license" for Denny to use Lorelei on his symphoney DVD.

They are filming the show in Memphis on Tuesday. Sounds something will be released.

ChicagoSTYX wrote:They are filming the show in Memphis on Tuesday. Sounds something will be released.

Sweet!

kansas666 wrote:

Rockwriter wrote: Dennis of course has no reason to grant any such license.

What about money? Wouldn't that be a reason?

It seems that JY must have granted "such license" for Denny to use Lorelei on his symphoney DVD.

Interesting point. Of course when it comes to this group of people, expect the unexpected, LOL.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:

kansas666 wrote:

Rockwriter wrote: Dennis of course has no reason to grant any such license.

What about money? Wouldn't that be a reason?

It seems that JY must have granted "such license" for Denny to use Lorelei on his symphoney DVD.

Interesting point. Of course when it comes to this group of people, expect the unexpected, LOL.


Sterling

As a co-author of a song, I do not believe you need a license from the other co-author. Hence Lorelei appearing on Dennis' DVD and also on CYO.

http://www.alankorn.com/articles/joint_authors.html

The relevant bits:

IF I CO-WRITE A SONG WITH MY BANDMATES AND LATER QUIT, CAN I
STOP THE BAND FROM PERFORMING OR RECORDING THAT SONG?

Not really. Because each author is considered the co-owner of a joint work, the other co-writers can continue to record and perform the work without your permission (as long as they account to you for your share of any income earned). Of course, you can also record and perform this song without their permission as long as you account to the other writers. These co-authors can also license the song to others on a non-exclusive basis as long as they account to you for any income received, but they cannot enter into any exclusive publishing or administration deal concerning this song without your written permission.